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Nate 01-04-2007 05:35 AM

A worker mud's life is 17 years*. A queen's lifespan may be much higher, just like with bees and ants.

*EDIT: I meant 40 years. I've kept this mistake so Cullen doesn't sound silly below.

Zerox 01-04-2007 10:22 AM

Indeed.
I see your point about natives dying out...but many labour eggs have been stolen/kidnapped/rescued, and the queen is constantly laying new eggs.
20 years is plenty of time, though, surely?
Some natives may be from escaped Mudokons. I presume a fair few do escape, to either become natives or live in the cities, as has been said. Remember all those Mudokon corpses hanging on spikes in the stockyards of AO? I reckon a few did manage to escape. And there's far more factories to escape from than jsut Rupturefarms.
And finally, I have always presumed there's more than on Mudokon Queen. There's millions of bee and ant queens in Britain alone, each with a colony. Slightly less Mud queens, sure, but still a fair fiew. One queen alone doesn't seem a whole lot for a single species.

I estimate a healthy Mudokon queens life to be around 80-100 years. Maybe longer. Whales live longer, and Sam is pretty goddamn hefty, as well as being one of the more 'intelligent[/i] life forms (humans live longer than cats and dogs, etc.).

Cullen Heath 01-04-2007 11:59 AM

Okay, Nate if you say that the average life span for Mudokon workers is 17 years... does this include Natives aswell? I don't see why it wouldn't because I can't think of a reason besides abuse that would shorten the life of an inslaved Mud. Now, Abe was inslaved for most of his life, and so if he is 15, can this mean that he may only have a few more years to live? (scary thought...)

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As well as being one of the more intelligent life forms (humans live longer than cats and dogs, etc.).

So do you think that maybe Sam would live much longer than Skillya?

Nate 01-04-2007 04:45 PM

Sorry, I was referencing the wrong number in magic9mushroom's post. That was irrelevant to my point anyway; whatever a worker mud's lifespan is, the queen's is probably longer.

Cullen Heath 01-04-2007 04:51 PM

Ah, okay *phew* I was scared for Abe for a second.
And so by 'worker' you are meaning an enslaved Mud, right? Do you think it is the same life span for a Native Mudokon?

Cullen Heath 01-04-2007 09:41 PM

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Shrykull is in da factory.
Shrykull is in da factory.

Sorry to bring this up again, but what do you think this one is?
EDIT:Ahh, sorry that was a double post. I'm sorry about that.

magic9mushroom 01-04-2007 11:18 PM

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Indeed.
I see your point about natives dying out...but many labour eggs have been stolen/kidnapped/rescued, and the queen is constantly laying new eggs.
20 years is plenty of time, though, surely?
Some natives may be from escaped Mudokons. I presume a fair few do escape, to either become natives or live in the cities, as has been said. Remember all those Mudokon corpses hanging on spikes in the stockyards of AO? I reckon a few did manage to escape. And there's far more factories to escape from than jsut Rupturefarms.
And finally, I have always presumed there's more than on Mudokon Queen. There's millions of bee and ant queens in Britain alone, each with a colony. Slightly less Mud queens, sure, but still a fair fiew. One queen alone doesn't seem a whole lot for a single species.

I estimate a healthy Mudokon queens life to be around 80-100 years. Maybe longer. Whales live longer, and Sam is pretty goddamn hefty, as well as being one of the more 'intelligent[/i] life forms (humans live longer than cats and dogs, etc.).

There is canon that says that the Freed mudokons remain separate to the Native ones. This is (I think) because the Freed Industrials do not understand the customs of the natives, and the natives therefore do not accept them. I think there is also canon that states that Sam is the "only known" Mud Queen, and otherwise, or if they knew how to get more Queen eggs, the Industrials wouldn't bother with the Shrink, would they? They'd just get a new one. In any case, the Labor Eggs may well be used to supplement the Natives, presuming they are still viable, as Natives must be raised-from-birth.

On a side note, I believe OWI will choose to keep Sam's rescue as late as possible, as her rescue would deprive the Cartel and Conglomerate of laborers as well as guaranteeing the survival of the natives.

abe_munch_raziel 01-05-2007 08:48 AM

ı didn't play munch's oddysee.abe have a mother????

Wil 01-05-2007 11:09 AM

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Sorry to bring this up again, but what do you think this one is?

That’s the concept art for the CG image. It’t of the same effect.

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There is canon that says that the Freed mudokons remain separate to the Native ones. This is (I think) because the Freed Industrials do not understand the customs of the natives, and the natives therefore do not accept them.

Yep, but as Abe says, ‘the Mudokons were slowly coming together.’t ;)

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ı didn't play munch's oddysee.abe have a mother????

Abe has a mother. All Mudokons have a mother: the same mother. Mudokons, Glukkons and Sligs are all super species, whose entire population is given birth to by a single individual female. The Mudokon queen is Sam. She was supposed to appear in Munch’s Oddysee, but she didn’t. It was just one of many things that were left out of the game due to time pressure.

Jordan 01-05-2007 01:37 PM

To me that's what let MO down a bit, damn, if OWI had more time they could've made MO a bit longer, but... I still like it how it is.

magic9mushroom 01-05-2007 03:25 PM

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Yep, but as Abe says, ‘the Mudokons were slowly coming together.


I think that's the free ones.You don't see any natives in that FMV, except in the bit with the hand on the moon, and I don't see any ex-employees there. Abe is sort of a connecting factor, as unlike most free mudokons he worked to adopt native customs, but is obviously revered by the freed employees.

Zerox 01-06-2007 05:11 AM

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To me that's what let MO down a bit, damn, if OWI had more time they could've made MO a bit longer, but... I still like it how it is.

It's Microsfot's fault for forcing the release date, so lets blame them! Burn, Mircrosoft, BURN!
...*ahem*
Anyway, the full average Mudokon lifespan has been verified at 40 years, Glukkons 50. But whether the Mudokon lifespan is based on slaves or antives, and whetehr the Glukkon lifespan is on a healthy indiviudal or a constant smoker, we don't know.
But anyway, this would mean by human terms, Abe is 35 years old or so.

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So do you think that maybe Sam would live much longer than Skillya?

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As amusing as that is, I can't say. Skillya's size, production rate and health would affect this. She may also be overweight from eating many of her offspring, and whether she smokes or not, etc. We really can't say. I'd probably think the Glukkons keep Sam in good health, while Skillya has choice of donig what she wants, so I'd estimate Sam would live longer.

Jordan 01-06-2007 05:36 AM

Who would the Glukkons look after more, Skillya or Sam?
Think about it, they need to keep Skillya alive for her Slig offspring, and they need Slig workers to guard places...
And they need to keep Sam alive for the Mudokon slaves, if they abused Sam, she wouldn't be able to give off more babies...
I can see Skillya being a bitch, as the Sligs are really evil, and they probably gain it from her, and the smoking, card games etc.

Cullen Heath 01-06-2007 10:07 AM

I don't think that they have Skillya held captive at all. I think I remember hearing something about trade...?

Oh, and Zerox, Abe is 15 years old.

magic9mushroom 01-07-2007 12:34 AM

The lifespan of a Glukkon is 65 years, to parody the life expectancy of Earthly industrialised countries. The Mudoon lifespan is 40 years, to parody traditional societies eg Aborigines.

Xavier 01-07-2007 01:03 AM

65 years? aren't we much much higher now

Zerox 01-07-2007 01:57 AM

The Glukkons can't look after Skillya, because she is no under their control. She is completely independant and does what sh likes, while Sam is controlled and kept imprisoned.

magic9mushroom 01-07-2007 04:02 AM

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65 years? aren't we much much higher now

70. In Japan it's 78 I think. Anyway I think it's pretty close to the 1980's-90's value.

Jordan 01-07-2007 04:08 AM

Okay, Gluks have a 65 year life span:
http://www.oddworld.com/firsttenyear...uck_stats.html

And Muds live for 40 years averagely:
http://www.oddworld.com/firsttenyear...abe_stats.html

Does this answer anyone's questions?

Cullen Heath 01-07-2007 07:53 AM

Beat me to it!:p

Jordan 01-07-2007 07:54 AM

:pness! I'm surprised no one did beat me to it!