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694377 11-28-2006 12:45 PM

i was looking forward to seeing Squeeks Oddysee but it was canceled. If you look on Wikipedia, and type in Oddworld i should come up with Canceled and Unreleased games, one of them is Squeek.

Jordan 11-28-2006 12:49 PM

Welcome to the forum, 694377! What's with the wacky name lol?
Maybe Oddworld will someday release a collection of unreleased games on one game cd/future game data holder! That would be pretty cool actually.

Zebulon 11-28-2006 12:55 PM

could´nt squeek perhaps be the octopus aka sekto? that would be a cool plot. how he got there, how he became this world-hating greedy capitalist. Squeeks involved with symbiosis, so is the octopus.

snuzi 11-29-2006 07:48 AM

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could´nt squeek perhaps be the octopus aka sekto? that would be a cool plot. how he got there, how he became this world-hating greedy capitalist. Squeeks involved with symbiosis, so is the octopus.

I highly doubt it seeing as how Sekto was an Ocitigi and Squeek will supposedly be an entirely new Oddworld creature. Besides, it wouldn't make sense since Squeek is supposed to be close to the bottom of the food chain, while Sekto was pretty much at the very top of it.

Wil 11-29-2006 10:59 AM

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Squeek was intended to be a member of a species low on the food chain.

Wait a second, where does this come from? I’m not familiar with it. Are you sure someone hasn’t just taken the phrase ‘hanging out at the bottom of the food chain’ a little too literally? It has been used to describe both Abe and Munch in the sense that they are average schmucks in overwhleming circumstances, not that they’re primary consumers or anything like that.

snuzi 11-29-2006 11:59 AM

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Wait a second, where does this come from? I’m not familiar with it. Are you sure someone hasn’t just taken the phrase ‘hanging out at the bottom of the food chain’ a little too literally? It has been used to describe both Abe and Munch in the sense that they are average schmucks in overwhleming circumstances, not that they’re primary consumers or anything like that.

Couldn't it work both ways though? I mean, they were both in a world where the odds were against them, plus they were both a food source for the Industrialists. The same thing goes for Stranger, although his species was hunted for sport instead of eaten. I believe that if Squeek's Oddysee does indeed come to exist someday, that Squeek will both face the same problems as Abe and Munch as well as be one of the creatures either eaten or hunted down by the industrialists.

Slaveless 11-29-2006 04:44 PM

I think that you got it all wrong. Abe and Munch are not on the bottom of the food chain, but in the middle. They are referred to as weak characters, since the enemies they face either are powerful hunters or people that kill them for sport. Weak doesn't mean 'bottom of the food chain'.

OK, I will explain the food chain concept. On a food chain, there are animals (humans are animals too you know) that are connected to each other by their consuming related activities. When an animal is lower on the food chain than they are of another one, they are considered prey if they are connected. That means the one higher requires them as food. Now let's look at Mudokon food chain, hmm? Pretty much every Mudokon requires some meat, so they are in the middle, since they too are hunted. Gabbits' are similar. They feast on Worryfish, but are hunted down by Searexes. So none of them are on the bottom.

Bullet Magnet 11-29-2006 05:07 PM

Only primary producers are at the bottom. Those that can create biological compounds that store energy with energy from inorganic sources. Plants, for instance. Autotrophs.

snuzi 11-29-2006 05:14 PM

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I think that you got it all wrong. Abe and Munch are not on the bottom of the food chain, but in the middle. They are referred to as weak characters, since the enemies they face either are powerful hunters or people that kill them for sport. Weak doesn't mean 'bottom of the food chain'.

OK, I will explain the food chain concept. On a food chain, there are animals (humans are animals too you know) that are connected to each other by their consuming related activities. When an animal is lower on the food chain than they are of another one, they are considered prey if they are connected. That means the one higher requires them as food. Now let's look at Mudokon food chain, hmm? Pretty much every Mudokon requires some meat, so they are in the middle, since they too are hunted. Gabbits' are similar. They feast on Worryfish, but are hunted down by Searexes. So none of them are on the bottom.

Notice, I never said Abe and Munch were at the very bottom of the food chain. That wouldn't make any sense at all, seeing as how plants are always at the bottom. I was merely saying that they are viewed as being pretty low on there by the Industrialists. To them it doesn't matter if they're primary, secondary, or tertiary consumers. As long as they can kill them and take the meat, or use them as trophies, it doesn't matter where they lie on the food chain, because they will always be below them.

Also, weakness does indeed have to do with being at the bottom of the food chain. The weakest are killed and eaten while the strongest consume and survive. That's how food chains come to exist in the first place: the strong devour the weak.

Bullet Magnet 11-29-2006 05:21 PM

Um... the predators adapted to hunt a particular prey hunt that prey. That very same prey organism is adapted to hunt or graze from it's own food source, as well as escape the predators that try to eat them. They're not weaker, far from it.

snuzi 11-29-2006 05:30 PM

The particular prey that the predator eats is weaker than the predator. If the prey was on the same level as the predator, or stronger, it would get away or eat the predator. It all comes down to survival of the fittest: the weak die and the strong survive.

Wil 11-30-2006 12:18 AM

We don’t need to discuss œcology here. The confusion is as to whether Lorne is speaking literally or figuratively:

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Munch is similar to Abe in that he is also hanging at the bottom of the food chain.

I favour the interpretation that Abe and Munch are both screwed by the industrial races; yet I’ve never heard this description being applied to Squeek. Obviously it’s true, figuratively, because that’s who the Oddworld Quintology heroes are, but I can’t think of what source is being taken literally.

Zebulon 11-30-2006 01:24 PM

well, sooner or later, an oddysee about a industrialist must make entrance.

Jordan 12-01-2006 07:06 AM

Yay, 400th post!
It would be wicked to be a Glukkon and boss everyone about, earning moolah, going to meetings. "Oddworld: The Life of a Glokstar" That would be a cool game!

panuru 12-07-2006 12:06 PM

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It would be wicked to be a Glukkon and boss everyone about, earning moolah, going to meetings. "Oddworld: The Life of a Glokstar" That would be a cool game!

Didn't we already do all of that in Abe's Exoddus and Munch's Oddysee?

Wil 12-07-2006 03:39 PM

We did, but as the player we never got to follow the daily lives of the Glukkons. We just used them to get past each puzzle. An earlier plan for Munch’s Oddysee did involve taking control of Lulu for extended periods and using him to run a series of factories, and this same mechanic would have been used in Hand of Odd.

Taytay 12-08-2006 10:41 AM

I remember being on the website that said about the new games but I forgot what the link was so if anybody has a link, may I please use it?

Also.
Oddworld quit making games, is that true?

I am very excited to see the new movies if theyve converted to that. Though they would have been better off if the movies were oddworld related.
Squeek, I have so much ideas and little hopes for the game...if they make it. I wonder. It seemed liek it would have been a kick booty game.
Rawr, so did they quit making games?

Wil 12-08-2006 02:17 PM

Yes, but they haven’t stopped designing games.

Taytay 12-09-2006 05:23 PM

So, the don't make games...but they design them?
So they come up with the ideas and other game companies make them?
Is that how it is?

erwinraaben55 12-10-2006 03:28 AM

Yup, that's how it is gonna be.

Al the Vykker 12-12-2006 06:55 AM

I think if Oddworld is serious in seeing their original vision made a reality, they will eventually get back to Squeek whether in film or movie form (most likely both with the way production is working now).

Xavier 12-12-2006 07:53 AM

there is no doubt we will finally see Squeek
Lorne and Sherry both love him

Taytay 12-21-2006 07:19 PM

If they love him, they must have a general idea of what to love. So I must see Squeek at once!

Nate 12-21-2006 07:43 PM

It's possible to love a character (personality) and story without an image or design.

Arxryl 12-21-2006 09:39 PM

Just as many people "love" how others sound online. you never get to see the actual person until it's too late, but you enjoy their "personality". Or at least, the kind of personality embodiment they have taken as their own online. (that made no sense, but so what?)
However, I would love to see Squeek and the design they have for him. or even a general story-line.