If a species wants to enjoy self‐awareness and technology, it needs a system; otherwise, it could end up doing something silly like reproducing beyond sustainability.

I don't like being told what I can do with my uterus. If I ever wanted to have an abortion, no government should be able to stop me. If I want to bear 8 children, once again, no government should be able to virtually tie my tubes with laws.

But of course, I'm intelligent enough to see that having 8 children isn't the best choice for me or the rest of the world and I would advise people not to do that sort of thing either, but ultimately, it's the parents' choice. No one should TELL them what to do.

I'm a stinking liberal. Get over it. :p

And I'd prefer a child of my own flesh and blood simply because I want to see someone else related to me be successful in life, and I'd like to see if my goofy personality is passed on. But if I couldn't conceive or something, I would happily bring an orphan into my home. In fact, maybe that second child I want will be one... if I can afford all the costs associated with adoption. I hear it can be expensive, but it seems like something that should be absolutely free of charge.

Wow. A uterus was always an organ that women had. After reading that, I feel like I know what it is like for it to be a part of you. It's... weird.

I meant a system so far to the extent of assigning families children and limiting the number of children a family should produce to 2. Think The Giver.

I don't want to get off topic, but last time I checked, the abortion debate was about how much control a woman should have over her baby (or fetus, if you prefer).

Also, is it okay for me to have 10 kids and make them all worship me (From a legal standpoint, I'm sure that God would have something to say about it)? Is it okay to have kids so I can get someone to buy cigarettes in a seedy neighbourhood because I'm too damn lazy to get out of bed? Is it okay to have kids because I just want tax breaks? I'm not accusing you of having these motives, don't get me wrong, but there are limits. Surely, the rights of the offspring to have a healthy life are greater than those of a Parents Right to Turn Their Children Into Stars To Fulfill Their Lost Dreams (TM)?

Anyway, I think that the stupid should be prevented from breeding. Call me a eugenicist, but I think that its better to have some eugenics than a bunch of mental midgets who can't figure out how to operate basic objects having kids, the kids starving to death/getting electrocuted/getting molested/etc..

Like it or not, the second we took over this planet and started whiping out everything in our way, it became a system. There is nothing natural about giving birth anymore. Mating and procreating is meant to keep the species alive. We have a few billion of us on the planet, I think we can do a few years without breeding at this point. We are multiplying faster then rabbits! There is no animal on the planet that procreates as fast as humans.

There's that unpleasant bacteria Clostridium perfringens that causes gangrene. Given sufficient resources it can reproduce every nine minutes. In one day there would theoretically be more C. perfringens than there are protons in the universe.

Getting back on topic, I'd say I'd liek to have children, but obviously not any-time soon as I am far too young. I'd like probably just 1 son to continue the family line yet not increase the population, as technically it isn't changing in size due to 2 parents/1 kid meaning it is halving in number. But if the over-population worries continue, I may change my mind and adopt instead.

Wouldn't a girl carry on the family line, too? What's with this son bias?

I don't actually think there are any rules on why babies should be born. Do animals have them out of love? No, they do it because something in their brain forces them to. Just like us.

Well, not me.

The 'parent to their own flesh and blood' thing is just the same. Something they think they have to do, which logically makes no sense whatsoever.


Obviously he thinks if someone's last name changes they aren't in the same family anymore.

If we are so highly inteligent we should be able to ignore that deep urge to put more fleshbags on this plot of earth. Or are we being selectively stupid, only allowing instinct to act where we want it to act?

Perhaps he just wants a boy?

No, we are total slaves to our instinct. We're just too dumb and arrogant to realise that that's not free will, it's hard-wiring.

QFT. I'm glad someone else understands me.

Absolute truth!

Well yes, but I myself would like a son. Also, many people have the general viewpoint that a girl always changes their name so as such the 'family name' as it were ends. This isn't always the case, obviously, but sometimes it does mean the end of the family name, especially if there's just 1 child. But by the same token 1 son might not have a child or marry etc. so the family name still ends. I'm not saying that that means the child is no longer part of the family, nor do I agree with such a viewpoint. I'm just saying some people are of that opinion.

Man, people proud of their family names, so much so they want a son to carry it on. Thats always struck me as bizarre.
Would I want a boy or a girl? Neither, both genders suck.

What would you want then? A snail?

Personally, I don't see why some think human babies are cute. Chimp babies, crocodile babies, and dog babies are adorable, but human babies look like something out of a horror film.

Finally someone besides me thinks that! Seriously though 4 year olds can be a bit cute but new borns are fricki'n ugly in my oppinion.

You're ugly. Right now. You are ugly at this exact moment. You repulsive turd.

I don't want kids. People can be okay. Kids suck.

I'm just fourteen so I don't really want to have them now, but I would like to have kids and a family some time in the future.

Who's ugly? Me, Rick, you, Alcar, Statikk, Hobo?

That statement must be backed up by evidence in order for me to accept it. Now provide some.



Or, you know. Flame me.

"You repulsive turd." I'm not normally one to laugh at peoples misfortune but when I read "Repulsive Turd" I burst out laughing. *sighs* I should really get to bed.

It is evidenced by the circumference of yo' mamma. Cause she is one fat bitch.

Before anyone talks smack about OANST'S Momma, I'd like to remind you all that she is deliciously thick in the britches, not fat.
Carry on.

Uh, will there be evidence or not? Photos, DNA samples?

Kidnapping videos?

Ever been to Seaworld? Ever seen Shamoo? Evidence delivered.

I wouldn't say all of our actions are rooted entirely to our instincts. I believe it's a combination of things. Like intelligence and personality of the person, the situation at hand, etc. I think saying that our lives are completely based on instincts is too simplistic of a way of looking at things.

Uh, theres nothing ugly bout a whale. Its a whale. Whales are cute.

No. I get enough of them in my face at work.

Our lives aren't based on instincts, just some aspects. Having children is. People don't realise what is their choice and what is their body is telling them to do something.

Everytime you go to get food? That's not a concious decision, it's instinct, masquerading as free will. You may choose then not to go, knowing this, but you won't stay away for ever.
That feeling you get at heights telling you not to jump out. That's not common sense, it's instinct.

Those are just a few obvious examples. If I were to list them al, I'd probably list just about everything human beings do.

Your eyes are almost completely driven by instinct. All the while you think you are directing them at an object of interest, it has been proven that they will be all over attractive people near you, of both genders, usually darting between the face, chest, and groin. There's a device that can be worn which tracks your eye movements and then shows where you focus on on a video recording of what you were looking at. People never realise what they were doing until they see it played back.

^ So men like to look at attractive men, and women like to look at attractive women? You did say we instinctively look at attractive people of both genders after all.

Checking out the competition. Of course!

Thats how I excuse the David Duchovny thing.
Wait, what?

I was implying that your mother had the girth of a whale. Not the appearence. Stupid person.

Don't worry about it, Statikk. When you're a little older, then you'll understand.

Your not tasty at all, are you?