Thank christ you had the patience to explain.

'Individuals are affected by Karma, not entire countries, nations or peoples. Karma doesn't tend to affect people in life - it affects your next life.'

You already stated this. I chose to ignore it. This is why -

1) I believe in what goes around comes around. I've seen it happen/it's happened to me. Regardless of whether it's Karma or not. I say it is Karma. It's a more efficient explanation anyway.

2) Yes, it may not effect entire countries. But i'm over that. You should be, too.

Sorry, I completely forgot. I know I have always wanted to explain it when I've seen such discussions, but I've assumed I could never previously be arsed.

I was obviously under the false impression that we use real definitions of words, and not false ones that everybody is assumed to know.

Yeah, the number of times I've thought that and it came around and bit me in the ass... christ. That's one of my pet peeves - the way I'm supposed to just "know" about all these words and how they're commonly misused

'I was obviously under the false impression that we use real definitions of words, and not false ones that everybody is assumed to know.'

Oh yes, i agree, but your version is long-winded. Whereas mine is to the point. F*ck somebody over and prepared to get f*cked over royally yourself.

One could argue that nobody knows what Karma is, so why Bullsh*t about it being one way and not the other.

America - laughs and dances with joy over Hiroshima.
America - gets laughed at and danced with joy at when 9/11 happens.
Random brown - beats his wife.
Random brown - gets beaten and forced to sex his cell mate.

There're probably more incidences of Karma swinging back around like a Boomarang razor blade noted down in history. But i'm apathetic and hate you all too much to search.

Well, basically you have to remember that London and Dresden were extremely historic and completely flattened by bombs and whatnot during World War Two. Now if you walk down any street in the 'Square Mile' of London or down a street in Dresden, the architecture has been restored to extremely high standards, and looks extremely similar to before. Maybe the original architecture is lost, but it can be restored, so don't worry about the buildings that have been destroyed, I'm sure a lot of them will be restored to their former state.

I agree. We can't really fully interpret the true meanings of things like Karma etc...

Good point.

New Orleans was constantly in a state of renovation anyway; it blows that a lot of the progress that the renovation crews made over the years was lost because of Katrina.

Don't forget Warsaw, my dad still had to pay a tax for the reconstruction of the old city when he left Poland

The mayor of New Orleans has told the police out there to use force to get the survivors that dont want to evacuate out of New Orleans.

It's for their own safety. The amount of chemicals, sweage, disease, etc... is a major health risk. Letting the people stay, even if they're aware of the danger, will cause further problems later on. They're bound to get sick, adding to the already huge medical toll, not to mention the time it'll take man hours that will be lost on them instead of the clean up effort.

I don't see why they can't just warn them, then leave them. If they want to move away, then okily, help. But if they want to stay, let them stay. I'm sure the Police have more important things to do rather than help the people who don't want help.

The words 'Hurricane Katrina' makes me think Hare Krishna.

Oh yeah, floods. They iz no niec. I can hardly see why some people are staying in Nyorleens by choice.

Hurricane Katrina > Hare Krishna. LOL.

Apparently Quentin Tarantino is going to do a film adaptation of the tragedy.

He's going to call it 'Resevoir Wogs'.

*Runs away sniggering*

BAD BAD JACOB

*snickers too*

Indeed.

It seems to be very stupid when viewed by the people who aren't affected, but I'm sure they must have reasons. Maybe they love their homes too much, maybe they think this whole thing'll clear up quickly, or maybe it's too late to get out. Only those folks can know for sure.

*sigh*

I think some are staying because they can't take their pets with them, which I completely understand. I'd be so devastated if I had to leave any of mine.

Ah, yes. This is true. But if they had the means to get out, as Super Munch suggested, isn't it possible that they could bring the pets with them? Or is there some weird health code thing stating that dogs must be left behind?

In all honesty, i respected America a bit more when i saw that some Americans were going back and saving some animals.

I thought that was truly nice.

I haven't heard the word 'wog' in a long, long time.

All I have to say is what has happened to us? When 9/11 happened we as a nation came together to fix the situation. Unfortunately not long after, we have become a nation split and unable to assest the situation. The proof of this is the very fact that there is still a fuccking hole where the twin towers use to stand. If I was in charge I would stop at nothing and rebuild the Twin Towers and make them twenty ft higher than what they were originally. That will bring a message to the rest of the world that you haven't destroyed us and we will keep pressing on. "Fucck you world we don't need your help we have capitalism!" Mann won't that piss the Arabs off. You know why there isn't a building at the site of the Twin Towers. Its because of the idiots like Ted Kennedy, and Dick Durban, Howard Dean, the Clintons, and how can I forget the wacko left and I only mean a minor 10% of the population of the US prevent it from happening. My friend is in Iraq and he can't stand the left wing propaganda that has pleagued our world for the last several years.

Nobody could have done anything to prevent this disaster. You can build all of the walls and protection in the world but mother nature "God!" for you Jesus haters out there, will always find a way to overcome it.

I am absolutly disgusted with the government. I am disgusted with congress and the fuccked up burocracy on how they play the blame game. Interesting enough New Orleans is a modern day Sodom and Gomorra. If you ask me New Orleans deserves it.

'Interesting enough New Orleans is a modern day Sodom and Gomorra. If you ask me New Orleans deserves it.'

I've heard this argument quite a lot from many of the Right wing preachers and Christians and from having a look at the debauchery that went on in NO, you may have a point.

Then again, America on a whole is a pretty f*cked up country. If the country itself wasn't holding the Spear of Destiny (and i say 'the country itself' in the sense that no one person has the Spear, but it resides in America) you'd've been fooked over aiiiiiges ago. Then again, as soon as you lose the Spear you're screwed, according to legend.

...now, just incase my knowledge of the Spear is wrong and it DOESN'T actually reside in America, feel free to ignore the above statement.

Yeah, and Mississippi was a practical epicenter for liberal thought. You would be hard-pressed to find a right-winger there, of all places.

I guess it deserved it too. All those godless heathens. In Mississippi.

Fuck off and die, Reverend P.A. Nobody diserves to go through what they're going through right now.

And nobody asked you.

Yes. Kill those Liberals like God and Bush told you.
No matter how stupid the people I've seen on the TV following the disaster are, they didn't deserve what happened to them, neither does anyone else.

The idiot you call Clinton gave our country a surplus of money and prevented war. Bush has scrwed our economy, killed our world, and sent our troops into an unescapable cesspool of fighting. Yes, real idiots you have described, indeed! THEY are the cause of our country's problems. Fuck off asshole and take a clear look at WHO has caused thewse problems.

Pwned and sigged.

PA, I hope that in hell gay people kick you in the nuts until you can't remember your Bible verses.

Anyway, Hurricane Katrina is (obviously) a huge ****ing catastrophe. It's horrible. People die, live in sewage, and lost their homes. They either stayed there because they didn't have the means to get out or they just couldn't part with their stuff. The poor, poor souls.



They deserved it, though.

PA didn't say that there weren't others who deserved it. He merely said the city was a modern day Sodom and Gomorra, which could be said about the vast majority of states/countries and so isn't that far off.

Still, only a couple of hundred have died in Katrina, so God's screwed up somewhere along the line.

Well don't you think New Orleans deserved it? Think about it, for so long now the city was corrupt and filled with so much godlessness that it was a haven for rapers, criminals, so forth and so on. That alone is asking for trouble. I don't feel sorry for the people who are complaining about their lost goods and crying to us to some how fix the problem. We will do what we can but its up to them to figure the rest out. I am not going to support someone who wants everything from me. Thats not fair on my part. I heard a news artcle the mayor was complaining that we dident send any grills to the people stuck in the city so that they can have a cook out. How can you have a cook out in the middle of distruction? I am sorry I am not going to support a stranger who is crying about his lost life and property. They knew there was a Hurricane comming and they dident do a thing. Its common sense you never under estimate mother nature. I don't care if you are poor or rich if you have two legs you can leave.

This prooves one thing its a major failure of the local governments in the area. Its a failure on everybodies behalf.

You've pretty much described every major city in America.

Yeah, because they totally have the resources to get back on track as soon as they can right now.

Keep that in mind when someone robs your house blind and nobody lifts a finger to help you.


Not all poor people had transportation to leave, and I don't know too many people who can walk the distance of more than 3 states north in the time they were given to prepare for the storm. It's not like they knew about Katrina, like, 3 weeks in advance.

PA, just shut up. Quit being a motherfucking Armchair General, deciding how easy it is/should be for people when you're not even there.

PA, you are aware the the New Orleans bowl region is home to hundreds of thousands of impoverished people and some areas have poverty rates well over twice the national average, right? What were they supposed to do, drive the car they don't have with the gas they can't afford 4 states away without prior warning? Get real. Don't blame the local authorities and the victms for Der Chimpenfuhrer's screw ups.
I thought it was real precious how Bush said he'd take "full responsibility" for all the wrongdoings the "federal government" did A.K.A. all the stuff he can't fob off on underfunded local authorities and poor people who just lost EVERYTHING. Its not like responsibility means he'll be punished or censured in any way, so who cares? Gin it up for the cameras and hug some darkies to get your approval rating up. Now watch this drive.

I'm just going to take a guess and say it's probably because there's no electricity in some parts and they need some way to cook food that doesn't require it.

Proverbs 25:21 If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; if he is thirsty, give him water to drink.

Deutermony 15:9
Mathew 25:34-45.
Psalms 82:4
Isaiah 58:5-7

Etc...

PA, I'm sorry, but you're officially fired from your position as my personal priest, you crazy, christian fundamentalist. Get out of my sight. *cries*

Ok, enough is enough.
I spent last week delivering relief goods along the U.S. Gulf coast,
From Hattiesburg Miss. To Slidell La,just got back yesterday.

I did a combat tour in Viet Nam, have been through monsoons, have
seen the aftermath hurricanes and tornados, but i have never seen any thing
in my life like this. The destruction is indeed of biblical proportion.

The talking heads on CNN and the other “Newsworthy networks” are
all strutting their stuff with in four miles of the gulf, did not see one camera
crew up-country, where the destruction, in some places, is absolute.

Last Friday i spent the afternoon with a six year old boy who lived in a little
peckerwood mill town not far from the La., Miss. Border, about 70 mi. from
New Orleans. His mother told us he has not spoken since” that Monday”.
When the medics put 60 stitches in him, for the wounds he got from airborne
debris, he never made a sound.
His 9 year old sister has not been found.
His dog is dead.
Everything that represented comfort, safety and joy literally vanished before his eyes.

i respect the right of PA and the rest of the self-righteous bible thumpers to state their
feelings.
But i defy you PA, you pious shitbag, to look this child in the eye, and with all the
Righteous indignation you can muster, tell him he fucking DESERVES this!!!

PA need i remind you that New Orleans represents only about 8% of the area
devastated? How do you account for the other 92% ?
Looks like God Almighty might need to work on that smiting thing, you know
tighten up that aim a bit.

As for the rest of you, a 100 year old black lady told me other day that,
” A point`n finger don`t never make a helping hand”
Think about it.
Nuff said.

Well, in my aetheistic/agnostic/spirtual beliefs, I belive that whenever some bad happens, something equally good must occur and does occur to fill the whole. And vise versa. I can't rreally think of anything thats good that would balance this, so something really good will happen to us. It may happen tomorrow, it may happen in fifty years! But something is bound to happen within the lives of the Katrina victims.

I also agree with VH, I have not seen disasters, but I have seen how truly fortunate we Americans are. You don't see beggers at every corner, you don't see nine years olds juggling for money when they should be in school, you don't have nightwatchers protecting us from robbers, and you don't have a polluted water supply. And it's people like PA who make this world suck so much.

Fucking PWN3D for hypocrisy!!! I love you, Ambi. :p

Also, I'm thankful for others who have put up a good argument against PA. My unspoken frustration and anger is just that much less hate that has to circulate on these boards.

No I just don't like it when a disaster strikes and all the people start blameing the government for it. I think that is pretty reasonable. I mean I am hearing people argueing and blaming Bush or who ever for something that is natural.

I don't like it when the blame goes to global warming eather when we do not have one shred of evidance of such conditions only theory and theory just does not cut it with me.

Basically I am sick and tired of propaganda that its become a disease today.
Thats basically why I am the way I am.

We're not blaming 'Bush or who ever' for the hurricane. We're blaming them for the shit job they did helping the people involved and for sending little to no aid folowing the disaster.

Global warming may just be theory. But theory is all we have. Your precious Christian God is just a theory too, in my eyes, but I know which theory I'd sooner put my faith in...

No, that's Down's Syndrome...

Oh, like the propaganda the Buish Administration has been belching out. Cindy is a koo koo. Yes, what kind of mother would have her child as an honor student? Yup, whacko! Or what about those weapons of mass destruction? We found a hell lot of those in the middle east. Not only is your view diluted by the republican propaganda, but you are ignorant to science. I know plenty of conservatives and independants in my school who agree that global warmimg is very much true.