Wait a minute, if you see the appeal in hunting by tracking the prey surely you're one of the people that doesn't deserve the title of being 'civilized'? You kind of contradicted yourself in a not so obvious way.

' if you see the appeal in hunting by tracking the prey surely you're one of the people that doesn't deserve the title of being 'civilized'?'

I didn't say i felt the appeal, i said i could see the appeal. As in, i can understand why people would do it. It doesn't mean i'd do it.

This may seem a litle weird, but what do you guys think about bug catching? Some inscects, like the bird wing butterfly, can only be taken down using guns (loaded with stuff like mini nets and tranquilizers). But some bugs are really hard to catch and are only found in certain stores.

... Why would we hunt bugs...?

Why did we hunt elephants? For their ivory. In butterflys, it's because they're are a prized possesion in some countries. :p

'(loaded with stuff like mini nets'

MINI-NETS!?! That's hilarious!! Awww.

And i find this "bug-hunting" vile as well. What's the point? So your status is increased. Ugh.

Hunting for 'fun' is naughty, and I dissaprove of it. Hunting for food is natural but we've passed that stage in our society and we can just farm everything now. So essentially hunting is just cruel and pointless.

Hey man, the birdwing butterfly gets pretty friging big, it can eat your head off :devil:.

...although the conditions some animals are kept in, in those "farms" that are more like high-output production lines with little care towards the animal's welfare (just "grow 'em big, grow 'em fast"), it often seems LESS cruel to me to go out and shoot a wild deer than go out and buy a broiler chicken. Healthier, too, since it won't have all the antibiotics (and resistant bacteria) they feed farm animals these days - and you'll at least get meat rather than water (I read somewhere that between 30% and 50% of your average supermarket chicken is water and gelatine and "fillers" - they inject it into the meat so they can make it heavier and sell it for more).

Having said that, I eat very little meat these days anyway, so...

Oh so wait, people actually do hunt bugs?
What the hell?
Explain.

Actually, we DO need to kill animals for food. Without meat of any kind, the human body never functions properly. It's been proven that vegetarianism stunts growth, causes bone problems, and can result in health problems usually assosciated with people who live in poverty in third world countries.

While it's true that some animals can survive without meat, we are not one of them, or at least, we were not designed to be one of them.

Not really, hunting is the only way game can be farmed. You can't actually have them grazing on a field then round them up into a slaughterhouse, because that's not how they live. Now, if you need people to do this job, why not have people who do enjoy it? I imagine they'd be more accurate anyway.

And why is it that nobody has really commented on fishing? I don't see how that's any different to hunting for fun. See this is what always happens, people go nuts about hunting on land but when it comes to fishing they're oh-so hypocritical.

We can always substitute. People could farm chickens in healthy conditions for their eggs, or cows for yoghurt, butter, milk and cheese. That would provide the protein for growth. I'm not a vegetarian, but that lifestyle could be lived by. Using animal products rather than just killing the animals means hunting and killing doesn't need to happen but we still get the nutrients from other products such as what I listed above. So surely that would fill in for bone and growth problems? Also I voiced my opinions on fishing earlier, I'm sort of torn on that one. Yes it's cruel but, I don't really know what I think about fishing. I don't fish though.

Eating an egg is identical to killing an animal for food, therefore vegetarians refuse to do it. It is -impossible- to get protein on a vegetarian diet. You can get calcium, fat, starch, and various other stuff, but you cannot get protein. That's why they have to take protein suppliments, otherwise they'd never be able to heal or grow. However there are vegetarians who refuse dairy products on the basis that it's an animal product and is therefore bad. But yes, dairy products would solve the bone problems, at least to a certain extent.

The fact of the matter is, one way or another, we need to eat meat. It contains things that you have to eat and otherwise must be supplimented, and those suppliments are made from animals anyway. If you leave them out completely, you'll find yourself with some serious health problems later on in life.

Well, I don't know about these super-strict vegetarians. My cousin is a vegetarian, but she eats dairy stuff and eggs, so that's what I was basing my reply on. Hmm, wel if some people cut out all of that then you're right, you can't live off that diet healithily for long-term.

Not really; the eggs we eat are unfertilized. No little chickies are being killed.

Hmm, but if they were fertilized, it'd be almost like an abortion argument. Is it considered murder when the organism isn't even born?

I totally forgot about that Ambi *high five* :cheer: :beer:.

No one answered my bug hunting question...

Yeah, Fax, some people truly do hunt bugs. Usually, the bugs are stuck on little tooth pick-like sticks, and the collections are kept in display cases of some sort.

That's... That's just creepy...

Dino: It's true, some people are hypocritical when it comes to fishing, but I'm not a fan of that either. I don't eat anything that lives in water, but that's because I find all seafood disgusting.

'but that's because I find all seafood disgusting.'

You're in the wrong sexuality, comrade!

They're mostly for museums and such.

I can't imagine how boring it would be to go out and collect them all, though...


EXample:

http://benicialiving.com/images/uploads/pf_bugs.jpg

Sligster, you never answered my question.

As for fishing, I think there's less attention on it because that's the only way to get seafood. As far as I know, there's no fish farms. Therefore, going out and catching your own fish is no worse than the mass fishing done by fishing companies and whatnot. Both come from the wild. If anything, the fishing companies are worse because of their tendencies to overfish sometimes.

*cough* http://www.defra.gov.uk/fish/fishfarm/ *cough* ;)

Yes. Seafood is good, but to each his own...

Oh... damn. Well, there goes the whole point of my post. I knew I should have looked into that before posting.

*Harpoons Rich*

Ouch, that's the last time I'm proving you wrong. :p

And you could have at least waited for Rexy to come back, now I have no-one to kiss it better for me. (Hobo doesn't count) ;)

I think the insect family is quite interesting. But yesh, the catching WOULD be boring.

I can understand hunting for food, but for FUN?!? Barbaric. I find it sickening that some consider destroying an innocent life as "sport" or "leisure".

...of course, most things about human kind sicken me....



~PH

what question was that?

damn, time to go back through the thread.

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You could say it's the "Thrill of the Hunt" factor, I suppose. I never said I did it just for fun. I do it mostly for food (cause, as much as I'd like to be true, you can't survive on Twinkies), but the time I don't do it for food, is sort of an extermination job.

Me and my grandfather go camping every year, and the land around camp spot is owned by one of my grandfather's friends. He has a large ranch, with fields and ponds and such. However, there are so many squirrels, they have become pests. So we kill some squirrels to help out a friend.

Actually, soya and seitan are some of the best sources of high quality protein available. Tofu and Quorn contain mycoprotein which is purely a plant-based protein that promotes cell renewal and growth and gives 12 units of the 50 RDA. Wheat is one of the best sources of glutenated protein, giving 16 units of the recommended 50 units. Scientific research has actually found that people can reach their full growth potential on a vegetarian diet. Also, vegetarians have a 23% less chance of contracting heart disease, 36-50% less chance of contracting cancers, 37% less chance of clogged arteries and almost always have a much lower cholesterol number than meat eaters. Actually, in the 1996 American Medical Journal, 90-97% of heart disease and colon cancer could've been prevented by a vegetarian diet.

All in all, a vegetarian diet is healthier and a lot less fatty than a meat-eating diet. Overall, vegetarians have a higher life expectancy than meat-eaters and encounter many less health problems than their meat-eating counterparts.

Basically if you're vegetarian, you can expect to live longer, encounter less illness and have a low cholesterol.

Bleah! I hate tophu. I don't necessarily eat just meat, but I like being an omnivore. There's nothing better than a bacon wrap with lettuce & onions :lick: (gives you terrible breath though)! Great, first day of Band Camp and I'm already hungry :hungry:!

Howdy!
 

Do you have to use Comic Sans? It hurts my eyes...

Usually, I'd give you a caution for not being remotely on-topic (I have to be fair, if I caution DH for this kinda thing).

But because I completely agree with you, I'm not going to. :p

And we can't pressure people to change font, just like we can't pressure a vegetarian to eat a beef burger, it's more hilarious to give them meat without them knowing. :D

Sorry...
 

:spam: Sorry guys, I'll lay off the font... :dead:

And now I'm gonna get done fer spamming...sigh... :banghead:

Pchh... I didn't mind the font at all. I out-rank Dino and Rich and you may continue using Comic Sans... because I enjoy spiting the both of them. :p

Although I personally wouldn't go out at 3 'o clock in the morning and sit in a tree all day, hoping that a deer somehow wanders into my direction, I must admit that deer meat (venison) is delicious.

As is dove. And rabbit. And squirrel. Mmm... squirrel chili. That's some good eatin'. Fo' reals.

Squirrel chili? I've been long gone from this topic, but I had to reply to that. I have never heard of a squirrel chili, is it you know, like it sounds i.e a normal chili but with squirrel meat instead of mince, beans etc.?
I've never had deer, dove or rabbit, can you compare it to anything else?

What in the world is quorn? :eek:

Sligster, how are squirrels pests? It's not like acorns are a valuable crop for humans or something...

I can understand this "thrill of the hunt" thing. It's like a very exciting and physical game, and the animal is the other player, and you must use all your wit and skill and tact to win and yadda yadda. Sounds great. But you don't need to kill the animal to enjoy that. It's like killing your opponent after you win a game of chess. And every animal that you kill is an animal that you will never again hunt, and an animal that will never produce offspring for you to hunt. So crazy. Of course, here I'm just referring to hunting for sport.

People should hunt other people. It would be the new extreme sport. And the prey would be like fitness gurus, survival nuts, and other skilled hunters... maybe televised American football fans (for beginners). Of course, there would be fake weapons and such, just to please those "it's wrong to kill people" crazies.

Quorn
 

It's a meat subsitute for vegetarians, don't ask me what's in it 'coz I don't know :p but it's nice, you can't really taste the difference, except in the sausages, they're not as fatty.

Hope yer question's answered. :D

It's a kind of fungi, so far as I can tell. They grow it, then "spin" it into lumps or "steaks" or mince. I quite like some of the products - I like the mince as it isn't too overpowering in pasta-sauce, for instance, but the "ham" is really grim. Vegans (and a lot of vegetarians) can't eat it, though, as it's grown on egg-white. It's promoted as more of a healthy "meat substitute", these days, I think, for people watching their cholesterol or just after an alternative.

Just about everything has protein in - nuts, pulses, and beans are all brilliant sources of it. It's vitamin B12 that's the only thing vegetarians and vegans usually have to take supplements of, I think, as B12 is mostly from animal sources (although I think I heard it was in yeast, so stuff like Marmite (blech) too?)

I vaguely see the point to insect-hunting (in the whole "OMG SHINIES!" sort of way - some insects have incredible colours, they'd probably make brilliant decorations if you were that way inclined); what I particularly don't get is egg-collecting. *headscratch* You're going to go out... find eggs... take them home... throw the contents away and just keep the shells?

Isn't that like... paintball? *eyebrow* ;)