Ha, those crazy monkeys! When humans so stuff like that, it's prostitution/bisexuality/whatever. When it's monkeys, it's just funny :D.

Good job I wasn't saying that then.

I don't deny that there are some people out there who just conveniently adopt the sexuality to appear original, but have you considered that maybe, just maybe, it's a legitimate sexuality and the majority of self proclaimed bisexuals are actually bisexual? Who are you to say they are not? Who is anyone to say they are not? They are what they say they are, and they have a right to be treated with respect. You cannot conduct scientific research to validate the denial of a person's right to have what they are awknowledged as being legimate.

I'm the evidence. I exist, I'm real and I'm bisexual. Therefore their "research" is proved incorrect. They're saying that there's no such thing as bisexuality, but I can tell you that they're wrong because I know what I am, and I experience it on a daily basis, and have done for the last 10 years

Denying the existance and legitimacy of an entire sexuality is ignorant and obsolete. Having a problem with these deniers is normal and acceptable.

That's because you've never looked for any. To quote wikipedia:

"Many non-human animal species also exhibit bisexual behavior. This is particularly common in hermaphroditic animals, but is also known in many other species such as the bonobo Chimpanzee. Bisexuality has been observed in over 500 species . "

Since when did anyone have to be a qualified scientist to know what gender they're into? If you're bisexual, and somebody says that bisexuality doesn't exist, are you supposed to just say "sorry I can't comment, as I don't hold a phd in the subject"? If you are then screw that. If someone says that part of my identity doesn't exist then I'll set their record straight, I'm not going to just listen to them and agree when my mere existance proves them wrong.

I'm a hetero, but I'm 100% sure that bisexuality is real and that some people and animals are bisexual. I also accept bisexuality and homosexuality, I wouldn't shag a man, but I have no reason to fear those that do.

Sure, some people choose to be bisexual but true bisexuals exist, scientists are stupid.

'They're saying that there's no such thing as bisexuality'

What are you? Seriously? Are you 12? Where have they said there's no such thing as Bisexuality?!

'Having a problem with these deniers is normal and acceptable.'

It is, but when they've not even considered the othersides point of view or done any of their own research, it's just as stupid, ignorant and as obsolete as the othersides.

'If someone says that part of my identity doesn't exist then I'll set their record straight, I'm not going to just listen to them and agree when my mere existance proves them wrong.'

For. F*cks. Sake. Explaining things to you is like trying to shove 15 Cats in a washing machine when they don't want to go in.

The study DOESN'T say Bisexuality is NON-EXISTANT.
The study DOES say that it is cast IN DOUBT.

If Scientists set out to do research, and that's the conclusion they come up with, then how can you blame them for thinking that way? Besides, Dino, how do you know what exactly goes on in the depths of your subconscious? Have you monitered your sexual arousal patterns?

EDIT - Oh, thanks Ambi! Your Bonobo fetish has once again proven useful!

I'll give you the list...

"But a new study casts doubt on whether true bisexuality exists," Questioning its existence.

"People who claim bisexuality, according to these critics, usually are homosexual but are ambivalent about their homosexuality or simply closeted."

"The psychologists found that men who identified themselves as bisexual were in fact exclusively aroused by either one sex or the other, usually by other men."

"But the men in the study who described themselves as bisexual did not have patterns of arousal that were consistent with their stated attraction to men and to women. Instead, about three-quarters of the group had arousal patterns identical to those of gay men; the rest were indistinguishable from heterosexuals."

Almost the entire article pisses on there being no bisexuals. Most of it is suggestive, but it seems that these peoples motive is to deny existence of bisexuals.

...yes, it's suggestive, shut your beak.

I must agree with you, SM, your ability to read between the lines and get the following statement astounds me -

"Bisexuality in both men AND women is non-existant. It's merely a psychological disorder were the people stating that they are Bisexual are either oversexed or greedy"

Congratulations.

'Most of it is suggestive, but it seems that these peoples motive is to deny existence of bisexuals.'

Scientist #1: "Well dammit, Homosexuality has been proven to be natural! Now what do we try and make abnormal?!"
Scientist #3: "HETEROSEXUALITY!"
Scientist #1: "Shut up. No, it's got to be something easy.
Scientist #3: "Transsexuality!!"
Scientist #1: "Hmmm...possibly. It'd take a lot of work though!"
Scientist #2: "What about Bisexuality?"
Scientist #1: "OH. MY. GOD. THAT'S GENIUS!! Yes! And anybody will believe that! Okay, so our first shot at debunking something seen as true was pretty hard, and only the Nazi-supporters took to it. The second one, yeh, only the conspiracy theorists and Moon buffs decided to agree with us that one. But this one! THIS ONE! This'll certainly work! Yes, finally we will have succeeded in our plans to completely piss on a group of people for no apparent reason other than we like statistics!!"

To you I say: Bah. I give up. What I'm TRYING to say is that these people must have some sort of problem with bisexuals. Dur. But they take it to the next level by researching these peepz who claim they're bisexual, then just say to them: "Hey! You're not bi! You're just gay or pretending to be bi, you heterosexual!".

Take it or leave it. *Shrugzor*

Where would be the logic? What would be the point? And if you're going to say this about this study, you might as well say it about all the studies. Studies saying Homosexuality is natural - scrap them, the people could've been influenced by Satan! Hell, Big Red could've influenced the animals to have sex with the same sex as them (i love you Cyber-Slig)!!

Seriously, SM, ignore, no, in fact FORGET Dino's comments for a minute, read the article yourself and then sit and think for a minute about the likelyhood that the Scientists want to eviserate Bisexuality. And then ask yourself "Why?"

Okay, so the group they chose may've been full of sexually confuzzed men (but it is based in America, so what do you expect?!), but what if the Bisexuals chosen did, even if it was just slightly stronger, have a preferance towards one sex rather than the other.

I hate this sudden wave of intolerance on the forums, bring back some of the original members, i say! Surfacing, Danny, Tom, Claire, Dequibenzibobbalob (or whatever his name was), DH, S'laskia and the others!

Everything comes and goes, and with the changes in our world, we must learn to accept them. :p

This can be the case, but that doesn't mean they're not bisexual. That's like saying: "My grandpa is quater hispanic, but I'm sure as hell not!". If they have a preference toward one sex but are willing to be involved with another, that still makes them bissexual for accepting the option of being with the other gender. I'm just saying that they are generalizing all of these people.

Lust for gold? This is indeed an American article, and quite often Americans can be religious... Like any country, but America especially. And for some reason, being a homosexual is bad in their book.

I'm not riding off Dino's comment. I happen to share the same opinion as him. Is there something wrong here?

Homosexuality is not natural. Nor is bisexuality. Any sexuality except hetero isn't natural. But who ****ing cares? It doesn't matter if it occurs naturally or not.

Bah, go and cry to your mammy. Start the 'Old OWF' on invisionfree and hope some people drop by.

'that still makes them bissexual for accepting the option of being with the other gender.'

Bi-Curious, even?

'Bah, go and cry to your mammy. Start the 'Old OWF' on invisionfree and hope some people drop by.'

Wow, and i've suddenly gone back to Nursery...

'Homosexuality is not natural. Nor is bisexuality. Any sexuality except hetero isn't natural. But who ****ing cares? It doesn't matter if it occurs naturally or not.'

I don't know if you were being sarcastic there or not, but there is a difference between 'normality' and 'natural'.

'I'm not riding off Dino's comment. I happen to share the same opinion as him. Is there something wrong here?'

No, i'm merely asking you to think for yourself, not that you weren't doing in the first place.

Yes and no. You know how lots of men are scared of homosexual encounters? These few 'bi-curois' people can embrace either sexuality, and aren't afraid of homosexuality, but just prefer heterosexuality.

Yesh. I am doing so now. :lick:

Ok, here we go. Heterosexuality is considered both 'normal' and 'natural'. Homosexuality naturally occurs in a sense that the brain chooses to be so, but is considered not 'normal'. Bisexuality is a variation on homosexuality, so again is considered 'not normal' and 'not natural', but natural in a sense that the brain has decided to like members of the same sex.

Did I just make any sense just now? O.o

I'm getting really scared now 0_o...

'You know how lots of men are scared of homosexual encounters? These few 'bi-curois' people can embrace either sexuality, and aren't afraid of homosexuality, but just prefer heterosexuality'

Surely the same could be said for Bisexuality?

'Heterosexuality is considered both 'normal' and 'natural''

With the natural comment i was going along the 'It occurs in nature' thang. But with the normality thing i was going with the 'majority rule' thing, which would mean that Homosexuality/Bisexuality is abnormal.

I'm interested in your theory that the Brain chooses to be Gay though, is this a conscious choice? When does it decide to do this?

I believe when a homosexual is born, the chemicles get confused and they sort of go on girl mode. I believe you are born how you are, and you can masquerade as a gay straight or bi, but it will not change your sexual preference.

I don't understand why the words describing the chemical stuffs regarding the homosexual/bisexual/whatever brain have to have negative connotations like "confused". Why can't we just say this person's brain is one way and this person's is another, meaning he's attracted to both sexes. It shouldn't be called an "imbalance"; some people's brains are just balanced differently.

Amber and Luke, you guys have way way too much time on your hands.

Testosterone. In foetal development. Lack of in Homo-Superiors. Our Brains (and in some cases bodily structure) are thus more feminine.

Sorry, you fail. The article clearly states that these scientists are finding it hard to believe that anyone at all is bisexual.

Why should I consider that point of view when I KNOW for a fact that it is untrue? I'm sitting here, bisexual, right, now. They say that the existance of bisexuality is doubtful. WRONG. I'm bisexual. If bisexuality was doubtful then I wouldn't be bisexual. Why else would I be bisexual? How can you be ****ing confused about what sexuality you are? I knew right from the start, and so did all the other HONEST people I've spoken to. Just the majority of them didn't know they were actually bisexual because they were never educated about it, as we all grew up in a freaking facist censored society that doesn't expose you to REALITY therefore making everything nasty in the world that little bit more shocking and horrible. But they still found themselves attracted to both sexes.

They're one and the same. The latter sentence is merely a less offensive rephrasing of the former one. Why is it cast in doubt? Because they didn't manage to get a bunch of a few hundred random people horny when they saw certain images? Wow that sounds like a totally fair test to me. Yep. Just the kind of thing that DOESN'T YIELD ERRONEOUS RESULTS.

Because their conflusion is wrong?

What if I told you that I don't think homosexuality exists? Would you just accept that and happily sit there agreeing, carefully analysing my point of view, in a friendly and impartial manner?

Yes, I have "monitored my sexual arousal patterns" (which is a polite, scientific way of saying: noticing myself getting a hard on) and my "research" forces me to conclude that I'm as bisexual as it gets.

Yes, indeed. Who cares about what nature intended? We already said "screw nature" to begin with when we all decided to take over the planet and pollute it. Not that I'm comparing pollution to bisexuality, I'm just saying it's not typical of us as humans to let nature define what we are and should be. I mean, is it natural to have a tattoo? Or a piercing? No... yet we've been doing it almost since the dawn of modern humans and it's quite readily accepted.

I ****ing hate this thread. Call me a facist but if I was an admin here I'd just permaban everyone who agreed with this article. Biphobics are assholes. Seriously I'd rather have a chav shit on my face than have to live around biphobics and all the stupid crap they come out with. they're so shockingly ignorant.

'The article clearly states that these scientists are finding it hard to believe that anyone at all is bisexual.'

I find it hard to believe we landed on the Moon. But i'm not saying we did or we didn't. I'm merely in doubt.

'Why else would I be bisexual?'

Have you never considered enviromental factors? I personally don't believe enviromental factors can make you a sexuality, i do think they can make you more liberal though. Playing Devil's ad you could say you're in the Homo/Hetero closet.

'What if I told you that I don't think homosexuality exists? Would you just accept that and happily sit there agreeing, carefully analysing my point of view, in a friendly and impartial manner?'

I'd listen to your reasoning, like i do with all my Homophobic friends (not that you'd be homophobic if you said that, i'm just saying that as an example that i wouldn't just get stressy).

'Seriously I'd rather have a chav shit on my face than have to live around biphobics and all the stupid crap they come out with. they're so shockingly ignorant.'

When people say idiotic things like this, it annoys me so much! I'm against racism, and i'd happily rip into anybody who said anything vilely racist, does this mean that i'd get banned because i don't particularly like their actions/verbal onslaughts? No. Nobody would bat an eyelid. However, somebody displays a bit of open-mindedness to the other sides point of view and all of a sudden people are jumping on them and bashing them. What's the point? It reeks of 'Do as i say, not as i do'.

By the way Jacob, why do seem to label me as some Religous Zealot in every damn thread? I don't even beleive in religion.....

Jacob, I am bisexual.

Why do I exist? Please could you answer for my existance? Am I a freak? Insane? What? How come I've met so many other genuine bisexuals? Why would someone like me be in the "closet" when I've already proven that I'm not scared about "coming out"?

'By the way Jacob, why do seem to label me as some Religous Zealot in every damn thread? I don't even beleive in religion.....'

Oh. Well, i thought it was you who mentioned about the Gay animals being told to be Gay by Lucifer...obviously not.

Poo.

'Why do I exist? Please could you answer for my existance? Am I a freak? Insane? What? How come I've met so many other genuine bisexuals? Why would someone like me be in the "closet" when I've already proven that I'm not scared about "coming out"?'

Excuse me whilst i get my personal Sexuality Researcher from out of my closet. I'll need to dust him off a bit first, so sit down and be patient.

Wow. I thought you might come out with something crap but I never realised you'd go so far as to completely evade the entire post.

I think you may've just set a whole new precedent.

My point was, Mister Man, that i'm not qualified. I'm sure the men in the study were all "Oh hey, look at me! I'm Bisexual!! Whooo!!" and it turns out, they weren't. I'm sure there're Heterosexuals and Homosexuals who're in the same position.

This has nothing to do with anything, but I'm stuck in this piece of crap summer camp for 2 weeks with nothing to do so I'm going to complain for the next few lines before getting to the point. Huzzah! Uhh... the people are boring (or I'm so boring no one wants to betray any sort of excitement or interest around me lest someone explode) and there is nothing to do, although we are right across from NYC we can't go there.


Anyway I find it hard to believe that these scientists would do an experiment like this just to bash bisexuals. You can't really prove something just because you've supposedly seen, been, or felt it. People convince themselves of crazy stuff all the time, (IE that they are napoleon). So until this study is somehow refuted, it is at least logical to doubt the existence of bisexuality.

But before anyone decides I'm a homophobic walrus, I don't think I have anything against gays or bisexuals (Amber can confirm!). I'm all for gay marriage and all that good stuff, so whether someone wants to act bisexual or not is their own buisness. This debate is purely about the existence of bisexuality rather than its moral implications.

You'd be SUPRISED what hateful humans will do.

Trust me, I'm either one in a million, the only true bisexual on earth, or this "scientific" reasearch is a load of bull. I personally think that it is most likely the latter. For a start, they cannot claim that they had 101 bisexual people in their study, they only had 33, which is nowhere near enough to make any kind of accurate conclusion that would apply to the supposed 2 billion bisexual people on earth. Another point is that all their "findings" match up with common biphobic accusations, which I believe is more than a mere coincidence.

But above all, these scientists have no way to prove that they didn't just fabricate their results. If you believe these people then you're putting absolute faith in them, quite unjustly. These results could easily (and quite likely) be falsified, because anyone could claim that they've done research and then claim that it shows X, Y, or Z. Until someone does another study involving MORE test subjects, and has their results validated by an independant body, I won't even begin to consider the possibility that I'm just confused.

Another thing that I should point out is that I quite regularly go through preference swings, in which I'm more or less sexually interested in one gender or the other. Then I have true bisexual transition periods between these swings, in which I'm equally interested in both. But at all times I am capable of being aroused by either.

I dunno if I should mix myself into this or not... but heck I'm here now anyway :P.

What has got me puzzled is how a group is apparent straight scientists are claiming something doesn't exists simply becouse they don't know anything about or havn't ever seen it (excuse me if this is contradicting any previous posts, I didn't bother to read everything, merely skimmed a bit). It's like saying: I wasn't there so therefor it can not have happend.

Researching one's sexual prefrence is the most stupid thing to be done, especialy if its done in America, since we all know how most Americans think about gays and bi's.
If a person feels he is attracted to both males and females, then who are you (pointed at the scientists) and your straight butt to argue with him/her? I think the person himself knows best, wouldn't you agree?

Saying you're bi just to get attention from the muffies (to speak in Jacobs terms) is something way diffrent then actualy being bi. Becouse the first person would simply be lying.

Seriously, I don't think anyone has the right to 'doubt' anyone's sexual prefrence, unless it's pedophilia, but thats more of a decease then a prefrence I guess <.<.
Anyhoo, this isn't supposed to be able to happen:

Bi-person: Hi! I'm Bi!

Random person: Eh... no you're not.

Basicly, the random person is claiming the know more about the Bi-person then the bi knows himself... and to give an even easier to understand example, put yourself in this position:

What if you're just minding your own bussiness and suddenly some prick comes along telling you your not straight. You know better, but this person keeps telling you: You are NOT straight, becouse there is no such thing as straight!

I rest my case... for now.

I don't really see it as a case of wanting to disprove something, more along the lines of wanting to understand something. I, for one, am quite happy that Scientists did the research into Homosexuality, proving that it wasn't a choice but a natural occurance.

If the same is to be said about Bisexuality, it'll come out soon enough.

Bisexuality may be related to Synthestesia (I think thats what it's called :P), a strange condition where one's senses sort of get mixed up with one another, for example: if you hand Synthestesia and you heard the word "cat," you may get the taste of peanut butter by hearing that particular word. Synthestesiacs are very rare. Between one and a thousand, only one of those people may be a synthestesiac. With the same case as Bisexuals, they too may be very rare. All done :beer:.

So you're basicly suggesting bisexuals all have some sort of decease... or am I missing your point... :/

I know what Synthesesia is, I'm an Aphex Twin fan, and Aphex Twin is probably the most famous sufferer of it.

I can tell you now that it is not synthesesia, because if it was then it wouldn't be a rare disorder now would it? Millions of people would report themselves as having it, because there are millions of known bisexual people. Aside from that, it's not a form of it either. Bisexuality is supposedly a malfunction of the brain, just like homosexuality and asexuality, but to be honest I don't want to be fixed, cause I like being like this. I think we should start accepting people into society rather than distancing them from it.

The fact is that I know that this research is bullshit, because I am bisexual and I know I exist. So no matter what they say, I will always know what I am.

No! You are a random bot out of the blue opf cyber space claiming you are bi! Ha ha!

Sorry...

I wouldn't consider Synthestesia to be something people with it suffer from. I really don't know because I'm not one. Considering what you said Dino, and taking into consideration of what Jacob has stated, I came to a conclusion that it MAY be related to Synthestesia. Even though I think Jacob is a complete nut job, he still proves a somewhat convining point. I just thought Synthestesia could be related to Bisexulaity becuase I know a bi person. Still, they may just be Homo using bi as a cover up, but knowing his personality, I wouldn't think so.

'Even though I think Jacob is a complete nut job'

I'll bare that in mind when i build the concentration camps.

Ye will never catch ME! Hahahahaha! :lol: Up your's you Nazi asshole!

Sorry....

Synthesesia is a confusion of the senses, not of the emotions or sexual attraction. You could accuse anyone who is confused of having synthesesia if you applied your logic to it, but that doesn't make it any more correct.

I see your point, that it may be similar to synthesesia, in that the brain is confused about what it likes, but I'd like to point out that I certainly am not confused. My brain was hardwired to be attracted to both sexes right from the start, and it has never changed since. I've tried lying to myself about being heterosexual, I've asked myself if I'm gay (being horrified at the possibility because of the rejection that would cause, and being confused because I also like girls), and I never really knew about bisexuality until quite a few years later. Once I found out it struck a chord immediately, and with a little convincing from a friend I admitted to people and then later came out completely.

Well, I was just applying Synthestesia with Bisexuality because of it's rarity I've heard stated in this thread. Our brains get confused all the time. One time, (this will be embarassing) I once started getting horrible pains in my nipples. I went to see the doctor, and he told me that there was a small imbalance between Estigene and Testoserone and thus the Estigene was making my body create breats. Don't snicker, because it ****ing hurt like hell.

'My brain was hardwired to be attracted to both sexes right from the start, and it has never changed since.'

I'll assume you have a Phd in Medical Sciences then, yes? You've already stated you go through prefarence swings when it comes to the sexes, surely that could be said that your Brain is going "Ummm...err...phallus...'gina?...Errr....Phallus!? Errr?!?! 'gina!?!?" and frying itself. So, surely if that's the case, Used has a point. One that will be broken like the end of a Pencil come the Age of Jacobian Law.

My preference swings come in between really long transition periods of pure 50-50 bisexuality. Even during a preference swing I'm still attracted both sexes. They seem to largely occur as a result of my moods and emotions at that time, or sometimes when I'm put off by one sex or another for whatever reasons. It's a strange thing that doesn't really make sense or seem to have any connection with confusion over which sex I prefer.

It's not just my sexuality though, I go through preference swings for almost every single part of me. Musical tastes, hobbies, food, drink, activities, interests, people, etc. I'm quite a changeable person. My sexuality has remained exactly the same right since the start, and so has all my other tastes/interests, they just ebb and flow in and out of the limelight. Perhaps there are other forces at work here? Maybe the cycles of the moon? Who knows.