Another thing, I don't see how people can try to prove that God exists. Surely if 'he' did, there'd be some kind of physical action on 'his' part, and as there isn't and never has been, surely 'he' doesn't exist. Also, without him there wouldn't be Jihads and Mujaheddins in the name of 'Allah' or crusades in the Christian sense.

Buddhists don't sacrifice their lives in the name of God, because they don't believe in God. On the other hand, they do commit Sati Dakshayani if they're really passionate about non-violence.


P.S. Extremely sorry about double post. I forgot I posted before. Stupid, I know.

Maybe God's just like that. Or maybe humans are a failed experiment.

Jacob, I've heard that the actual place upon which it was based was in a marshy area of Iraq, which Hussein had drained for some reason or another. To bring out the refugees hiding there or something. That's assuming it was based on an actual place.

Max, somehow I like your thinking. The idea of God being a part of nature, rather than "supernatural", appeals to me. Although I'm not sure how this makes you atheist rather than agnostic.

The garden of Eden thing is another story. It is a story which shows themes of the building of trust, feelings love, forces of good and evil, lies and the breaking of trust.
Basically, God creates this paradise, the garden of Eden. He loves Adam and Eve and tells them they are to live in this happy place forever and look after the animals. They shall have this eternal happiness and can do whatever they wish in the garden on one condition, that they don't eat the fruit from a certain tree. They agree to this and God puts his trust in them.

This tree is the tree of knowledge of good and evil. One day Eve passes the tree and sees the fruit. An evil serpent persuades her to eat the fruit. She eats the fruit. Then she persuades Adam to eat the fruit.

Consequently, God comes back. He is upset and angry and kicks them out of paradise.

The moral of this story is: Remember that snakes can't fucking talk.

LOL! Good moral. But I think that nerly al the Bible stories are false. Jesus may well have been real, I don't know. Leader of a new religion and a Jewish rebel yes, Son of God? I doubt it. Moses parting the Red Sea? No, more likely that the tide was just out or something. And so on and so on. The one story which has no possibility whatsoever is Noah's Ark. Everyone in the world, black and white, all countries, all nationalities, descended from Noah and his family. How? Which leads me onto another thing: In the Adam and Eve story Adam and Eve have 2 sons, Kain and Abel. So that's 4 humans: Adam, Eve, Kain, Abel. Kain kills Abel, so is banished. Then apparently he meets a princess and falls in love with her or something (I haven't really read the Bible so I don't know, this is just what I've heard). Where did this princess come from?
Which leads to my conclusion: The events mentioned in the Bibe were relligiously motivated perhaps, and could be thpought of as great acts, but Christianity wanted to change it to a more Christian version so they spiced it all up to make it sound like they were the true religion and God favoured them. I mean no offence to religious believers, I just think that religion has no logic and little possibility of truth. This is simply my opinion.

Jeez, though I'm atheist, I can stilla accept that those stories are peoples interpretations of their beliefs, or what God has told them. In no way are they supposed to be literal (though Literalists would disagree).

Yeah exactly, I doubt Christians encourage incest.

They're parables. Nuggets of wisdom, told in the form of a fictional story, which clearly demonstrates the purpose of the wisdom. It's like an example situation that you can avoid by knowing what the story teaches.

In that respect the Bible has some particularly good stories in it. Others make less sense, but I suppose that's what you get from translating it through three different languages, and changing it over a period of hundreds of years.

Admittedly, the Bible story converted into songs would make a great 10 CD concept album.

No! You start singing any and I'll be forced to chain you to an anchor. ò_ó

they made a kid album, it's just like kids bop, God i hate those albums.

I agree a lot with that I'm an extremely open-minded catholic who does not agree with a lot of practices within the actual Catholic Church. I've gone through a few phases starting with being like most children given their faith by their parents and following it blindly growing up. To the point where I was for a time agnostic on and off. To the point where I'm back to being a Christian or like I said very open minded and liberal catholic. There's way too many archaic practices within the church that I dont agree with to the point where I'm basically one to pray when I feel I need to, but not compelled to attend church and hear a very one-sided and conservative approach to life.

I'm also one that is open to everyone's beliefs as long as they don't hurt others. I don't condemn others or force upon them my own beliefs because I don't think that is fair at all and I think that's a big problem with many organized factions of religion today, we don't teach tolerance or acceptance, we only teach to absorb and to condemn non believers.

I am an atheist but I belive that there is some sort of super natural being that exists outside the confines of the space time continuam. I just don't think the catholics or a few other religions are the right ones to trust on the matter (no offense to those open minded christians on the forums). But in my opinion all religions are the same as many of you have pointed out. According to something I read, the Middle east is where all civilization sprouted from. And in video games, myths, and literature, it all routs back to the same story: an all good all powerful being created the world, but some dick who was almost as high up as he is did some naughty things and was declared lord of evil. It is the same in human nature, we need someone to blame for problems and when someone is the most different in any way, we immediatly take them to be the source of the problem.

A man's called a traitor,
or a liberator.

A rich man's a thief,
or philanthropist.

Is one a crusador?
or ruthless invader?

It's all in which label,
is able to persist.

Maybe I should have explained myself better. Yes the stories have good morals and can have meaningful interpretations, but what I meant was they probably didn't actually happen. I say that as I think that you can't take the Bible as a literal historical fact book (which some people do) , but think of it as a book wth teachings on how to live. I'm atheist though, so I don't really read it anyway. I was just looking at it from a literal point of view.

That's the same here. I don't take the bible as fact really at all I'd have to say. There are so many archaic traditions potrayed and also it seems that the bible exists more to scare people into believing then welcoming them with loving arms, atleast the final chapters of it.

For example in the bible people are not only condemned for being non believers, their children (I'm referring to revelations) would be slain as well...along with being thrown into pools of fire. What kind of god is that?

Which is why its hard for me to even say I'm a catholic besides being raised and confirmed baptized one etc. I for one also don't believe in hell or atleast not its literal interpretation I believe it could exist in another context, nor purgatory. I do believe in heaven however.

I don't know about the other Religions Religious texts, but i know that the Bible itself has being physically raped and degraded by the Vatican as well as other patriarchal figures that got their hands on the few copies of it before the printing press. It's one of the main reasons i don't live my life by it.

I also find it disgusting that they still mention Mary Magdalen as a Prostitute, when she wasn't.

I've just been thinking about how the Christians get a really bad portrayal when it comes to their little Religion and how they talk about it, but i've never once heard of a Christian suicide bomber who blew himself up in a vain attempt to spread his message...

How can you be half-atheist and half-Hindu?! It's not possible.

Well, Christianity has always been a missionary religion. Islam is, but Dharmic religions like Hinduism and Buddhism aren't. Also, what you said about Christians being the most loving is an opinion. I could say that Hindus and Buddhists were more loving because of their belief in 'ahimsa,' that all living beings should not be hurt and that people should be vegetarian. Christians, Muslims and Jews believe that animals were placed on this Earth for humans to use as they wish, for sacrifice, slaughter, consumption etc... that doesn't sound very loving. Hindus, Buddhists and Jains condemn animal cruelty and slaughter, so we can't possible say one religion is more loving than the other.

^^^ Actually it could be. boogie may believe that there are many forms of God, but not exactly God, more prescences of nature. There's what, 10 thousand Hindu gods? Well he may believe in these forms, but think of them as states of nature, rather than of a 'God'. At least that's what I'd guess. :confused:

I believe there are over a million dieties. I could be wrong, though.

I'm a Christian. Personally, I think Atheism is a little senseless, partly because it's logic kinda defeats itself when it comes to creation (Maybe more on this later). Bhuddism and Hinduism are okay, but are not really worth my time because if they are correct, then eventually another life of mine will get it right anyway, so I think I'll spend this one where I am just to be safe.

Also, and I run into this on other forums, a lot of the Old Testament punishments (If your son is slothful he must be stoned to death, etc.) don't apply to Christianity because the idea is that Jesus died so people wouldn't need to suffer those Earthy injuries to, "atone." I don't know how the Jews go on about it, though.

And as far as, "Raping the texts," goes, they keep finding older and older copies of the Bible, so eventually we shall see what's going on (That is, if we don't already). Also, there is some place in the Bible where it says something like, "He who changes these texts shall be cursed in the eyes of God." Considering the superstitious ways of people back then, and a rather apparent lack of evidence, I'm not so sure of that whole, "Raping the texts," theory.

I'm done.

Well, you're right and wrong at the same time, dude. I don't state gods as huge unknown powers (like raising up my hands to the sky and dance the Unga-Bunga dance).

Hindus believe in the nameless and fysically formless Power in many un-fysical forms.
(as energy hasn't got a form, yet still exisits).
And Each of these forms (gods) are like pure forms of primal-nature (sort of like pure energy, divided into several kinds of nature.)
The theories of A. Einstein and S. Hawkins haven't left me. They're kinda true.
Yet still The Bang needs energie to process. There is nothing without it. So until a smart guy comes and tell me where that energy came from, I keep on believing that something has to have given Pure energy to start it all. (The many faced god Brahma)

'Considering the superstitious ways of people back then, and a rather apparent lack of evidence, I'm not so sure of that whole, "Raping the texts," theory.'

The fact they brandished Mary Magdalen a whore when she wasn't is one such fact, which i find mightily disturbing. And also adding certain phrases.

'The first known appearance of the term homosexual in print is found in an anonymously published 1869 German pamphlet written by the Hungarian Karl-Maria Kertbeny.

Though, bizarrely, the Bible has the term "Homosexual" in it. Suggesting that, contrary to belief, they didn't actually put the term in there themselves.

So basically you're saying that something must have started the universe/big bang, and that thing was Brahma. Yet the universe is everyhing that is, ever was, and ever shall be. Thus this god must be within the universe and must have been "started" himself, this just begs the question what created Brahma. If he didn't need to be created, then clearly not everything in the universe needs to be started. So why can't the creation of the universe have been started by itself. If Brahma has always been there, why can't the universe also have always been here.

Scientifically, there is the possibility that the big bang came into being from a fluctuation in the quantum vacuum, similar to the whole virtual particle thing that happens around black holes (read a brief history of time)

I also enjoy tacos.

haha. I heard (although it's probably a load of bull) that at that time, the extra demensional energy that manefests itself with the space time continuam was becoming too great anfd thus created the Big Bang.

I am an athiest. Though I accept whatever religion someone wishes to be manipulated by.

Firstly, I'm bringing up something different. This was on a Christian anti pokemon blog about RPGs...:


http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/pokemon5-99.html You should read this, the Pokemon bits are a scream. :D

That's a lot of reading, but you can see how blind and misinformed they are. Naturally, I assume this whole thing was written by an old woman who never leaves her house.

That is the problem I find with some religions. The fact that this idiot is completely outruling RPGs to members of her religion.

EDIT: BAH. I'll argue more when Im not so docile and relaaaaaaxed. So just read or I kill you.

Godamnit, you're right. Why didn't I see that?... Great, there goes my theory.

That's what Hawking actually told. I skipped that part (I think).
But this takes a whole lot of other dimensions than Length, Width, Depth and Time.
Which I don't care about anymore... Since I'm sleepy again.:p

Weeeeeee! I have spiritual powers! Actually (as stupid as this may sound), I have sometiems manipulated the weather around. Sometimes I pray to an entity, which I refer to as spirits, to do stuff like make it rain, make it stop raining, make clouds covr the sky, etc. and it happens. I know it sounds like a load of stupid bushwa *hears Dino and Super Munch sharpening their knives* but it is pretty coincidentally weird.

Well I didn't know playing Final Fantasy, Morrwind, Kingdom Heart and such is sinful! Now I'm really going to hell!

People don't need to wast there time going aganst stupid, harmless kid stuff. If you don't like it don't let your kid see it but you don't need to go out and try to make other stop playing or watching it.

That and your signashure is going to make you friends on this forum. :p

You should read what they say about Pokemon. Their arguement is basically: "There's a link on the Pokemon webiste to Magic The Gathering*, which gives you supernatural mystical skills OF SATAN".

*MAGIC IS TEH BEST KARD GAMEZOR

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^^ Hahahaha.

Very funny, seriously thats funny. :bow:

Have you heard the theory that matter is just space curved around itself to form an impenetrable spherical void? Makes you wonder whether the void within that matter is the same as the void outside of the universe. Or maybe matter is just another universe with another little tiny earth in it? Maybe this universe is a particle making up a hydrocarbon of someone's TV set?

I personally prefer fajitas, paella, and pizza hut nachos.

Actually, some scientists believe that there were many big bangs before our's. And some day, all of our universe will collapse upon itself and soon enough, there will be another big bang.

Actually scientists do not know whether the universe will be annihilated when it collapses.

It scares me. Knowing there's just eternal space.

The universe does have walls you know!

They're beige. That's an actual fact, I shit you not. The universe is beige.

But whats beyond those walls is what scares me, not what matter is beyond them. Just the limitless space.

I have completely thought of both of those statements before. This entire universe could be an atom of somebodies hair. :/

And the other Earth thing, I always thought was extremely possible.

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I've always liked this one;

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