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First if you say people have told me repeatedley without swearing then you better not include yourself in there. Second when I said Bitch I didn't care about it's true meaning if you would like me to correct it your'e a fat ****er happy now? And third When I said"And just for you I'll use proper grammer" I was being sarcastic you Sizimatic.

KNOCK IT THE F*CK OFF!
You want to get banned? Because you're on the right track. The Mods will ban your account if the bitching doesn't stop between you and CS! I've personally had it up to my forehead with you two.

I may not be a Moderator, but I know when enough is enough.
Take a pill and both of you stop this little fraccus of yours before you both get your spatty little asses removed from the site. Take it to the PM system if you two can't handle real discussion.
Now, I'm going to hit "submit," and if I see anyone else get off topic, I'll file for their banning, or however they do it.

I'll stop if it mean's not getting banned but if CS keep's it up I swear...

...You'll swear to keep it to yourself or argue privately, that's what you'll do.

Edit: Sorry for being all gung-ho about this, but fighting pisses me off. Like mosquitoes and ATM machines.

I'd sound like a kid saying "He started it" But I think I'll just ignore him.

Friggin' bugs. :p
Yeah, but fighting doesn't solve anything, so let's keep it on the down low.

This reminds me...WHERE THE FREAK ARE THE MODERATORS! They haven't done much recently. Anyway, Alpha, we know CS is like this, but thats his personality, he is a...blunt person he just tells you how he thinks it is. I can understand you fighting to defend yourself, yet it would be nice to show only friendship on the forums, of coarse everyone knows thats horse hockey but it is an attempt.
It was good you came back and said that Dipstikk just to let them you intended no hard feelings. Nothing says "no hard feelings" like a joke to finish it up.

Know on topic, Alcar why don't you get a spell check somewhere on the forums. Ad if you can't get a spell check on the forums you could always, have a hyperlink to a spell check on the internet that would let people check for spelling. Maybe we could get a translator link to, so the people who's english isn't the greatest can put something into the translator that they are not sure the english word is, also it would help them read posts in english by translating them back into their language

Shadowman, don't comment on what you don't know. I have sent Alpha friendly PMs in the past, and yet, still he is too lazy. And I suggest that when a member joins, he/she is forced to read Majic's post. It would take them to a quote of that and leave them there for 3 minutes and then, let them continue.

I would seriously agree with you on that plan, it would force members like it or not to read it. And being blunt is not a bad thing I am often blunt, I just tell people "Well I hated it" and I suppose it get the message across. Thats good you sent kind messages perhaps I did mistake you, sorry if I did.
-Shadowman

Not many people want to be forced to read something for 3 minutes. I guarentee that about half the people signing up would end up not signing cuz they'd think there's something wrong with their computer. Plus, that'd be super-pushy.

Yeah, I don't think forcing people to see it for 3 minutes will work... I honestly don't know what would work, actually! :)
Maybe, if when someone logged in for the first time, it took them to that thread? I don't think there is actually any way to force them to see it for 3 minutes, anyway, not without screwing around with ActiveX controls or something (not sure whether Javascript can do it or not).

The only trouble with what you said, Shadowman, is that most (not all) people here don't mind spelling mistakes, it's grammer mistakes that they find annoying. A spellchecker could still be helpful, though...

Alpha, you may find tips/comments annoying, but you have to admit, your posts have improved immensely since the beginning of this thread. They may not be perfect, but nobody said anybody on these forums has, or has to have, perfect grammer. As long as it can be understood, I'm happy. :D

The Shadowman, we've had the idea of Spell Checkers before, but unfortunately, they cost money. And when you factor in that we have to pay regular Server and vBulletin payments, of which come out of our own pockets, I hope you can understand when we aren't all that keen on spending more :p

Though it is a good suggestion, and one that would be easy to implement (if my memory serves me, vBulletin has a module already set up to allow it, just need the money). If only dictionary websites would make themselves freely available.

Alcar...

Well, to be completely honest, I wouldn't read it. I would go make some noodles, or something. Many members wouldn't read it, just like people don't read Terms and Conditions (Unless they are about something you like, or cost money) on many things. People just press "I agree" and off they pop.

Exactly. Maybe my post didn't clearly say what I thought, but that is why I don't know what will work, you can't force someone to read something. And that's the reason why there's so many people who break rules on so many forums, they just haven't bothered to read them!

Reading the rules isn't compulsary, learning them is. That's why we have mods. To enforce the rules on troublemakers. Resulting in the eventual banning or behaving nicely of said troublemaker.

Even though it is to their benifit to read the rules they will not really read them because they think they "already know them." The only way you could see if they actually read it is for them to take a quiz on it and that is just plain pushy and stubby, not to mention, I doubt new members would feel as comfortable about the forums with a quiz on the rule. Alcar, I understand exactly what you mean about wanting something like that just there is a shortage of money. Perhaps ther could be a Sticky thread on all the forum sections that was titled Spell and Grammer check, and on it would be a url to a dictonary or better yet a sentence reader that would check for grammer as well. So if someone is really concerned with a possible mess up with grammer they could copy and paste it in there and it would be free since all you need is a thread and a url.

point made by both people I say sudden death round.

Sometimes people just can't spell or use correct grammar. It's not their fault. As long as you can understand the post, don't comment.

All people have to do is say: "Hello poeple, sorry for any speling mitakes. I'm dyslexic."
Or: "Sorry fof the mistakes, but I'm only 9"

As long as they justify their posts it causes no problem. Plus, translating things are bollocks. I'd much rather the forumer tried to type and understand English. It would benefit them more.

And all they need add to a post is "Sorry, I don't speeka mucho English"...

I don't mind spelling mistakes much - atefr all, it has been porven taht you olny need the frist and lsat letters in the rihgt palces for a wrod to be legilbe (or at least understandable) msot of the tmie. (That was painful. *icks*) And not everyone can spell - you don't have to be dyslexic to be illiterate, and some people just find spelling hard. Plus, if you type by "point and shoot" like I do sometimes you miss little spelling errors. (I've not mastered touchtyping, I stare fixedly at my keyboard and look up every now and then to check over what I've written - although I did manage to spell "farm" as "famr" twice in the same sentence, once, so it doesn't always work.)

Same with punctuation - so long as there's a few full stops in there so I can "take a breath" and work out what's been said, as it were, I'm fairly happy. It's those great huge non-capitalised non-punctuated sentences that i find really hard to come to terms with i don't know where the sentence stops and ends and some of the things might be new ideas but then some may relate to the previous sentence its painful to try and read it (and write it!) since you have to first decipher the writing before you can decipher the argument.

We don't really need to be Grammar-Nazis, do we? I mean, let's face it - if it's hard to understand, do we even bother reading it? I must confess I just skim over posts that don't have punctuation to see if I can extract the pertinent points fairly rapidly, or else I just ignore it. If someone can't spell brilliantly, who cares? If they can get their point across, is it really that big a deal that they spelt "extinct" as "exstinkt"? If they put in the occasional capital and full stop, who cares if they don't use apheresis dots or semicolons?

It's AOL-speak I'd love to kill. *grs* I can read "how are you, I'm great!" a lot easier than "how r u, I'm gr8!" and whatnot.

It amuses me that the people pushing for grammar the most are the people I remember as being worst at it, when they joined. ;)

I guess thats called chat-speak. Uh, i hate chat-speak. Really, it looks so n00bish, and it irritates me. Don't post in chat-speak!!

What's wrong with great as gr8?.

Not everyone knows Chat-speak. It would be as if someone was posting in middle english. It can be read, but it has to be deciphered. Why be irritating when you can be easily understood?

In the end, it comes down to whether you want people to understand you at first glance, or if you want them to sit there and wonder what you're saying--knowing that half the time people will assume that if you couldn't be bothered to spell the word out, you couldn't be bothered to have something worthwhile to say.

yeah whatever I still love chat speak. UP the REBELS!!! :)

- I speed-read; I scan over the body of the text and pick out relevant points, and if it interests me I read it thoroughly. Chatspeek irritates all hell out of me so I don't bother trying - besides, everyone seems to have their own "dialect" which leads to the need to ask "could you repeat the in English please, I don't understand?"

...plus, chatspeek/AOLspeek/whatever just makes a person look childish, like they don't have the ability to construct a proper sentence with real words.

I mean, imagine you're looking on an art gallery which doesn't show thumbnails but text links. You see two links; "OMG i drew ths 4 my friend their a gr8 drawer lol!!!1" and "This is a detailed watercolour and pencil illustration I was commissioned to draw by a friend of mine. Mixed media, taking inspiration from photographs she provided me with." Who would YOU click on to look at if you had just one more click before your computer crashed? I mean, that pencil and watercolour sketch could look like a five-year-old drew it, and the "OMG i are teh gr8 drawer!" be a masterpiece, but hey, you don't know that from the description. AOLspeak is the most ridiculed invention the intarweb has to show for itself - on an instant messenger I admit it has its uses, but this is a forum - you don't HAVE to write fast.

omg coherent writing, lol!!!!!1one!!

Sorry to be a prat but use more full stop's will ya? I got confused reading that post. *faint's* :()

Me either. I hate it with a passion!

me either?

While it may not be in our rules, people continually using chat-speak will be forced to stop doing it. It is annoying, and we want as many people as possible to be able to read the information people post.

Alcar...

i guess nothing is wrong with it, in fact it`s a gr8 idea.
Now my problem is , what am i going to do with all the time i saved by using
two less key strokes ?
But , hey i always though that lol. stood for loser`s official language , so
what do i know ?

I disagree with that. I don't think that it has anything to do with whether people can understand it or not - it's fairly simple to work out most of it. I have a feeling that it's really just down to the fact that it is a pet hate for many people.

If someone's post is filled with something that annoys you, then you're 100% less likely to want to read it.

I don't mind which way we swing chat speak or norm speak as long as i have a good time.

Perhaps by everyone I just meant me. I have trouble reading it quickly. Its about as easy for me to follow as pictograms. And I don't hate it, I just don't use it. But if its been posted by a member who's usually coherent or makes good points, I'll try to read it anyway. I just don't always get it. Like Pwned. Still don't know what word that's trying to be.

My thoughts exactly. People are expected to behave in a mature manner on forums. (Well, maybe not all forums or even most of them out there, but at least on this one.) The point is to have fun while using coherent dialogue, but with some exceptions, such as when the topic is silly and easy-going.

That was so horrible here it is polished.

There that's better I don't think it's perfect, but way more understandable.

Never forget to get your amount of spaces correct and please I beg you capitilize your I's

Yeah, okay, we don't have to go overboard on punctuation and grammar. As long as it is understandable, mistakes shouldn't be frowned upon. We all learn differently, and make mistakes. While I may keep a tight reign on spam, I'm not about to English-ify the forums.

Alcar...

Aww. *puppydog eyes* Please? *waves little Union Flag* *bats eyelashes*

Worth a try, I suppose. :P

Yes let out your english fury.

Is it just me, or has overall use of grammar and proper spelling been going on the up since this topic was created? Slightly, ever so slighty. But at least you don't get posts like 'yeh i lik tht piccy. it best1' anymore. Huzzah. Slight progress. :D

And the adverse effect it seems, is a slight increase in spam, or overally pointless posts. Hopefully it'll sort itself out.

Alcar...

Can't make progress without risks... :p Eventually people will smarten up, I assume. It hasn't been that bad, the spamming... But still, I see your point.