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oh, and Blade 3 (which I saw with Abe's Son) made me think that vampires could be real but they probably aren't.

Nate, sorry, what was your question?

I will neither confirm nor deny that I shot JFK . . . from the grassy knoll . . . and watched as his brains spattered the pavement . . . ahem.

I SAW ELVIS! TRULY I DID!

so did I. He's what's really in Area 51.

Him, and the toilet that he supposedly died on.

In Area 51 is also the black Michael Jackson.

grrr. For the third time (you know you could just scroll up a bit to my previous post).

You said Chupa...'s could be explained away as vampire bats. I asked how come people have sighted them and never described bats but rather described hell-hounds in the Baskerville style.

Oh, is that all? Well I'm guessing somebody just pulled it outta their ass and other people went along with it for some unfathomable reason ("I saw La Chupacabra, I'm cool!"). A sighting means nothing. If one of these people who claimed to have seen La Chupacabra went, "And here it is!" and pulled away a tarp and there was a chupacabra body there and a bunch of well-known and respectable scientists examined it and said "It's for real!" then I might believe it. But a sighting? I saw aliens in my back yard last night. They were three feet tall with five arms and ten legs each, and they were bright green with a dark purple light emanating from their toes. Disprove me. Hah!

If they had ten legs does that mean they have nine... you know *thinks of a polite way to say this*... crotches?

Oh, what do you mean 'sarcasm' ?

Heh.

I just hope I made clear my view on La Chupacabras. Although like I said, I haven't checked out any of the links so I may have missed a reference to some hard evidence or photos (real ones) or something. But as far as I can tell it's just one of these cases of one person making something up and other people following along.

BTW Nate, it's not what you think. They actually have no outer sex organs. To reproduce they place the soles of their respective feet together to allow the transfer of gametes. This is followed by a gestation period of nine years, at the end of which a fully grown adult form bursts from the skull of the parent. Their nine crotches actually host one mouth each, which is why they eat by way of shoving food between their legs then doing jumping jacks to grind the food into a digestible paste.

That sounds sensible. I've always said God's biggest mistake was dangling the most senstive part of the male anatomy on the outside. Next time; internal nads, I say!

(BTW I want to make it clear that I am roughly ambivalent to the whole chupacabra thing despite earlier appearances. I was just noodging Raisin. I do however beleive that there are thylacines alive on mainland Australia but that's really just misplaced optimism.)

If we all had inside nads then that would be...creepy:p

Yeah. A big empty space where the proper bits and pieces should be . . . Freaky.

Hmm, almost back on topic: Has anyone read a book called Found? It's meant for fairly young kids but I still love it because of the creepiness and supernatural aspect of it. It's set in a deserted wilderness area of Scotland or someplace in the not-too-distant future, and there are all kinds of spirits and legends and REALLY AWESOME STUFF. I thought it pertained somewhat to this thread. It doesn't offer explanations for supernatural beings, but it's chock-full of them, and very cool.

Back on topic: Witches. What about them? Were they Wiccans or something that got all sensationalized? That's what I thought of. Maybe there's another explanation though.

Yeah, that's always pissed me off the way they claim to possess a higher truth based on an ancient religion blah blah blah.

As usual, I direct the masses to Unca Cecil, otherwise known as the Straight Dope: http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a991029.html

There is no evidence for historical continuity between the pagan religious practices of antiquity (or even the Middle Ages) and modern Wicca. On the contrary, there's lots of evidence that Wicca is a modern invention.

If you don't want to read the link, the basic gist is that it was made up by some rather shonky historians in the last century and was then taken further by even shonkier individuals with a personal agenda.

Interesting. So what are witches, then? Are they one particular group or is the idea of witches a sort of combination of different druidic/pagan cultures?

Well witches as old hags that fly around on broomsticks is a literary creation based on the Church/Witchfinder's views on witches. I think that we can all agree that none of the people convicted by the witch trials were guilty of witchcraft.

withces=bitches with itches to fly on their broomstitches and conjour up potions to get rid of their nose glitches:p

I'm not even going to dignify that with a response.

Nate, if they made up these notions about witches that means the idea of witches must already have existed. What I'm asking is, where does the basic concept of witches come from?

probobly the religion of wicca.... study of witchcraft....

Quotes from the witch's bible (forgot what it's called):

We of the Church of Wicca are often amazed and saddened at the lack of knowledge in both Christians and pagans regarding the real origins of much of present-day Christian thought and ethic [foreword, page xi].

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Therefore we do not believe that the Deity has power to operate on the earth plane; whereas the power that we store by prayer in (stone) god forms can be effective on the earth plane

Covens will go looking for spirits that are miserably clinging to the earth plane, unaware that their body is dead. These spirits can be trapped and used as workers.

Are you so preconditioned that you can't admit to known, documented facts?

(a description of a ritual) :
The woman cuts the man's forearm so that she draws blood. (The easiest way to produce the necessary cut is to pinch the flesh with one hand and cut with the other.) ... Man and woman each cut themselves; the man allows his blood to fall on hers.

Renewal of Female Desire
This very tricky procedure should be attempted only by a competent group. The problem, of course, is that the woman can easily be turned into a nymphomaniac.

Some spirits are mavericks. Not wanting to go through development in Side, and also unwilling to be reborn, they possess available earth shells.

Jesus the teacher and healer was killed for his attempts to straighten out his church; the church has ever since killed off almost everyone who showed psychic or healing powers ...

It is inherent in Wicca belief that marriage is mainly a matter of the mind, not of sex. Can you allow the woman you live with to have sex with another in the perfect faith that she will return to you and you will feel more, not less, loving toward her? This tenet is obviously the reverse of the Judeo-Christian [sic] "thou shalt not." We are interested in binding the coven together with love and understanding; therefore, our rule is that twice a year every male and female in the coven will live with a female or male other than the spouse for one full lunar month. It is usual for the males to change homes, though in many cases, if more convenient, the women agree to change.

note that this is from the current witch's bible....

Also note the Wicca is a neopagan Earth- Centered religion

ALSO note that Wicca is NOT a Satanic religion, contrary to popular belief

Quotes from followers of Wicca:

"We are not evil. We don't harm or seduce people. We are not dangerous. We are ordinary people like you. We have families, jobs, hopes, and dreams. We are not a cult. This religion is not a joke. We are not what you think we are from looking at T.V. We are real. We laugh, we cry. We are serious. We have a sense of humor. You don't have to be afraid of us. We don't want to convert you. And please don't try to convert us. Just give us the same right we give you--to live in peace. We are much more similar to you than you think." Margot Adler

"If you take the Christian Bible and put it out in the wind and the rain, soon the paper on which the words are printed will disintegrate and the words will be gone. Our bible IS the wind and the rain." Herbalist Carol McGrath as told to her by a Native-American woman.

"We should educate people that 'Witch' is not evil but ancient and positive. The first time I called myself a 'Witch' was the most magical moment of my life." Margot Adler.

"When one defines oneself as Pagan, it means she or he follows an earth or nature religion, one that sees the divine manifest in all creation. The cycles of nature are our holy days, the earth is our temple, its plants and creatures our partners and teachers. We worship a deity that is both male and female, a mother Goddess and father God, who together created all that is, was, or will be. We respect life, cherish the free will of sentient beings, and accept the sacredness of all creation." Edain McCoy

I'll try to do some more research later

That was a very interesting and long discourse on Wicca. Very interesting and . . . very long.

But if you believe Nate's Straight Dope (which I do), then Wicca is not from whence witches originate. I mean, hasn't the idea of witches been around since the Dark Ages? So for the third? Yeah, third time I ask, what is the source of the myth of witchcraft?

to scare little kids into not going outside at night?

I don't know....

EDIT:

ok, this is obviously fake, but does anyone else besides me think this looks like Don King? (hair)

http://media.uselessjunk.org/images/...d_skeleton.jpg

http://media.uselessjunk.org/images/...skeleton_2.jpg

http://media.uselessjunk.org/images/...skeleton_3.jpg

Okay, perhaps I wasn't clear enough. There was ancient Wicca, which the Church hated because it was a pagan religion. But it bears no relationship to modern Wicca.

Ohh! Thank you. That makes it a heck of a lot clearer. One might even say this information causes nephelometer turbidity to drop drastically.

Sligster. That is the funniest thing I've seen all day. Except for my friend's cat getting trapped under an overturned popcorn bowl. Other than that, your Don King fish-person is the funniest thing I've seen all day.

I've heard that some witches were just women who practiced some arts of healing or had another religion then christianity for a long time ago, that were then later accused of having some relationship with Satan. Like Bruce Lee once said (I think) "Humans are afraid of what they don't understand", which is very logical. Because for like a thousand years ago, they explained an event with the first and simple explaination. And for like a thousand years ago the church was very powerful, and if anyone disagreed with the church or the beliefs they were executed, usually burned. Anyone back then who had a different religion, were accused as sinners and Satan worshippers.

Interesring though about that Chuapolaladi, Cholula, Cholau...eeeh..."Goat Sucker". It seems very logical. But do they hunt in packs or are they loners? About those organs who disappeared (I think it stood so). There are spiders that inject a poison that dissolve the tissues and organs and stuffs, then the spiders suck the goodies inside. Perhaps these Suckers (hehe) use the technique as spiders do?
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Lopu Garou

Nessy was invented so Scotland wouldn't be boring. It certainly works.

Interesring though about that Chuapolaladi, Cholula, Cholau...eeeh..."Goat Sucker". It seems very logical. But do they hunt in packs or are they loners? About those organs who disappeared (I think it stood so). There are spiders that inject a poison that dissolve the tissues and organs and stuffs, then the spiders suck the goodies inside. Perhaps these Suckers (hehe) use the technique as spiders do?
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Lopu Garou

I think people have only sighted the El Chupacabras alone so they might be loners. The poison technique makes sense. In Australia the feral cats drink the preys blood and therefore does not need as much water or if not any, maybe the El Chupacabra does that.

Or mabye why they are only found singularly, is because they don't exist, and that the scammer's budget can only span out to pay for one fake.

Or- they are just obviously computerised squirells, with liquify to make the spikes.

Or that. But we're saying if it IS real.

Ohh! Thank you. That makes it a heck of a lot clearer. One might even say this information causes nephelometer turbidity to drop drastically.

Heh, finally my sig has the intended effect - two days after I change it to something else.

Hee hee. I did it just to bug you.