Bwah ha ha ha!

That was refreshing.

I should just add that the sacrifice needed to be accompanied by a sincere repentance. The dove (I think the dove was the only animal used for repentance sacrifices, the cows and sheep were for other things) was merely a way of proving through actions your devotion to God. And maybe God just likes roast dove, I don't know. ;)

'Although science has never proved it to be natural, some evidence suggests that it is something, for lack of a better word, "branded," into the psyche'

I'm sure in some instances that is true. Much like how Heterosexuality is "branded" into the psyche. From a very early age, children are taught that men and women love each other. And no nothing about men and men/women and women. They're brought up in a very Heterosexual society. Now, one could say that, that was Heterosexuality being branded on children. I remember following the crowd and conforming to the whole Heterosexual lifestyle when i was a teenager [eyeing them up as they walked by etc even though i didn't find them remotely interesting or arousing].

Only recently has this began to change, mainly in Soaps. Since most Soaps have the token Gay guy thrown in, which i find hilarious.

And the whole thing about it being "branded" into the psyche still doesn't explain why some Homosexuals have feminine bone structures/voices/mannerisms etc.

'Also, I do believe there have been cases of people turning away from that lifestyle'

Yes, i've heard of these cases too. Mainly people of a Religious nature. Though i saw a Documentary once were this Gay guy actually went to one of these places, to see if it did work, anyway, they put him through some interesting trials, including the last one were they hooked him upto a chair that had an electric current passing through it, and would show Pornographic images on the screen [two women, a man and a woman, two men] and everytime the image of the two men came up, he would get an electric shock. He even said it put him off Gay porn.

But surely all of this is proof that Heterosexuality can be chosen?

Ah, my friend, I said RELIGION, not Christianity. Jews don't recognise Jesus as their messiah, therefore Jews are required to kill gays.

But it's a matter of personal preferance, I support gay rights, so a Religion that condemns gays would be against my moral beliefs.

Ok, you're perfectly entitled to this opinion. However, giving gays equal rights would not be approval or support as such. You're giving them equal rights, everyone deserves a chance at equal rights.
You should only dissaprove if you are equal.

Discrimination is bad.

Discrimination is not bad, discrimination with prejudice is bad. Discrimination is simply to choose one thing over another, which every person does at least once a day!
I was going to go on more, but no one is getting anywhere in this debate, so I'm going to finish right here.

That's a valid point, Gretin. But in this case I don't think it applies. Discrimination against gays is prejudiced, because there is no valid reason to discriminate against them. Except religious beliefs.

It always comes back to religion. No matter how much I try to escape it, so much is controlled by religion.

The way I see it, religion should be ONLY about finding god (or Nirvana, or whatever you want to call it). So my question is, what does people having sex with people of the same sex have to do with god? I would say nothing. Therefore using a religious standpoint to justify discriminating against something is absolutely not valid.

Yes, there is a huge difference. Smoking is a harmful addictive habit. I would hardly call two people loving each other, wanting to marry each other, and adopting children a "bad habit." I wouldn't support a smoker because smoking leads to the end of some lives, but I would support a homosexual's equal rights because that leads to building a better life for him or her.

Anyway, I really don't want to further this new debatey thing, so unless I come up with some new huge point, I think I'll call it quits.

The main point is, Christianity seeks to create equality. Jesus was all about equality. But that is not happening. Therefore, you are all hypocrites.

Alcar...

Maybe. :p
Every time that various Governments try to get people equality, the leaders of the followers of Jesus (Christians) try to stop them recieving it.

Non-Christians/ tolerant Christians: Gay Rights Now!
Goverment: ok...
Christian leaders: Noooooooo!

Whatever. I'm leaving this topic. I can't believe how this has mushroomed into a giant issue taking over every aspect of our lifes.

Before I go, I would just like to say that gays have a new term for people like me. I am an, "Imperialistic Heterosexual." Apparantly I, and people like me, are wrongly forcing heterosexuality upon the youth of today as the norm.

All these countless people tying to force me to condone and approve of what I know in my heart is wrong...bah! I'll have none of that.

P.S. Alcar, find one verse that supports homosexuality (Heck, find one that even says, "meh, it's okay."). I've already posted a long time ago verses to support my argument, but I'd like to see some for yours. Thanks.

Dammit, this has devolved into the exact same thing as the homosexuality debate thread. We should either reopen that one or stick to the topic. Not to say that I haven't contributed to the hijacking of this thread . . . Yay hypocrisy!

In relation to the topic: I loathe that this organization has been attacked at all, let alone in such an absurd and stupid way, but honestly, if SpongeBob were to get a good ole-fashioned media beating, I wouldn't mind. Out of simple hilarity they have bred a horrible monster of a cartoon marketing device, and it's time someone took it down. If they fail, I will finish the job for them. With a boomstick.

Death to the Bob.

I suppose I'll just go and top myself then.

Sorry, it just pisses me off the way some people portray Judaism as a bloodthirsty religion. But lets not turn this into another religion thread.


On-Topic, thanks to The Age newspaper letters page on tuesday:

My name is Arnand Krishnan. I am 10 years old and live in Victoria and I am outraged by the article about Spongebob. I think you should tell this American bum to go and jump off a cliff because Spongebob is not gay.

Personally I question whether any 10 year olds actually use the word 'outraged' or whether mummy helped (read: wrote the entire thing for) him.

I probably used the word outraged when I was ten. I'm cool like that.

Sorry. I know that Jews don't really kill gays.
The Jews I've met are some of the nicest people in the world. Probably because of the holocaust, it's hard to think that Jews would be bloodthirsty.

On-Topic: I guy I know at school recently kissed a guy in a club. The guy is not actually gay, he was drunk and kissed a transvestite. Yet his friends are abandoning him because of societies views on gays.

Even though I don't like the guy, he doesn't deserve this. We need tolerance of gays now.

'On-Topic: I guy I know at school recently kissed a guy in a club. The guy is not actually gay, he was drunk and kissed a transvestite. Yet his friends are abandoning him because of societies views on gays.'

Take him under your wing. Make him popular. Make him powerful. Then crush his old friends. And CRUSH YOUR ENEMIES!!

'Sorry. I know that Jews don't really kill gays.'

Excuse me!? I find that deeply offensive. As i recall, when Hitler was rounding up the Jews, it was the Jews who pointed to the Gays and said "Excuse me! What about them? They mount boys!! THEY MOUNT BOYS!!"

So, technically, they did kill Gays. And still do. Jewish conspiracy.

They also try and make Hamster-Monkey hybrids. DAMN THEM! DAAAAMN THEM!!

I never said there were verses in support of. If there were, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But then what about all the verses about all the things we do today, that are biblically barbaric? The treatment of women, the treatment of outsiders, the clothes we wear, etc, etc. My point is, that you, along with every other Christian, including myself, are hypocrites that have no right to judge when we break the same rules.

Off-topic, you said that you know homosexuality is wrong, and that it eminates from your heart. Controlling my absolute disbelief to the utmost, I will simply say that it isn't your heart you're listening to. Your heart knows no bounds that humans place on it. It sees the oppressed and knows it is wrong to seperate and abuse. Only brainwashing could get you to say that.

On a side note, how would you explain, mine, or other Christians who are pro-gay, ability to notice where justice is not prevailing? Are WE the deluded ones?

Alcar...

Quite honestly, I could care less if someone's gay or not. It's simply that person's business, not mine, and I have no right to judge because of what they do or believe. That's just my personal opinion though. For those of you who are anti-Gay, why? I could never understand why people think that. Is it simply just because of what's in the Bible? If so that's understandable I suppose. But some people take it a little far I think.

Alcar has a point, though. I highly doubt ever Christian lives a holy life based on what's in the Bible completely. Our society today just makes it difficult to live that style of life. But hey, what do I know?

That's my two cents.

I'd just like to say that it pisses me off that people can't have their right to choose a lifestyle. The things people will do to 'purify' society is pretty sick. I'm all for gays, and I have some gay friends, I don't see what wrong with it. In my opinion, if you rely on the Bible for that stuff, then why don't you stone people who commit adultery? I mean, Jesus (no pun intended).
Just my $00.02

Anyway, here's a quote from a "Life in Hell" book that I think proves a point:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States against anything un-American, and to the Republicans for which it stands, two nations, under Jesus, rich and poor, with curtailed liberty and justice for all...

Except blacks, gays, women who want abortions, Communists, welfare queens, treehuggers, femenazis, illegal immigrants, and children of illegal immigrants.

The answer simply goes into the roots of your moral beliefs.

Paramiteabe... :fuzblink:

I guess some people just have horrible beliefs.

I think it's very funny that there's so much stress on morals and values by anti-gays. Isn't tolerance a virtue? Is it immoral to accept someone else as they are?

I'm seeing articles about this SpongeBob incident pop up everywhere. There was one on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart, a couple in the daily paper, one on the MSN homepage. It's amazing how much press this little thing is getting.

I'd like to offer a definition of "tolerate": To allow without prohibiting or opposing; permit. Thank you, Dictionary.com.

True tolerance is saying, "You be you, and I'll be me as long as harm isn't brought to anyone." If someone is opposed to the rights of marriage, adoption, etc. given to gay people, then that person is not practicing tolerance. Now, everyone does have the right to his or her opinion even if it's believing homosexuality is immoral, but when it comes to the denial of rights, that's when tolerance is impossible.

Neph, another debate starting when you finally returned has been unfortunate, and I sincerely hope you don't leave again. While I disagree strongly with most of what you say, I admire that you've tried to have logical reasons behind your beliefs... unlike most people who dislike homosexuality because "it's yucky". But I want you to ask yourself, if you were given the power to give these people equal rights, would you? I doubt you would, which would make you intolerant... but as the sinner saying goes, I apply the same to this. "Hate the intolerance, love the intolerater." (I don't think that's a word...)

Back to poor Spongebob, man, everyone should take a few minutes to do a search for other forums that talk about this.... ones with people who actually agree with it and want to boycott Spongebob. Hilarious. I recommend FreeConservatives.com. Even the people who disagree with it can give you a good laugh. "Boycott Spongebob? No. Boycott Liberals? Yes!" :lol:

Agreed on Tolerating.

Although, I'd prefer to accept them as complete equals and treat them as I would everyone else.

Even if this is true its not relevant because its not a fundamental part of the religion. Its like hating all Americans because of Matthew Shepard.

And the thing about the Hamster-Monkey hybrids isn't true. I wish it was, but unfortunately it is not. :)

I've said this before, but homosexuality is called an abomination. That sounds bad, I hear you say, but you must remember that one other abomination mentioned is eating shellfish.

'And the thing about the Hamster-Monkey hybrids isn't true. I wish it was, but unfortunately it is not.'

Sorry, i couldn't hear you over the squeaking-chittering Hamkey sounds coming from that giant cage.

'Even if this is true its not relevant because its not a fundamental part of the religion. Its like hating all Americans because of Matthew Shepard.'

Oh, it is relevant. As it's a specific Gene called a "Hate Gene" commonly found in Jews. Scientists are working out a way to cancel this Gene out, but thus far are failing miserably.

Oh Jacob, Jacob, Jacob. What are we going to do with you?

*cocks shotgun*

I heard that they were considering calling regular water unkosher because it contains micro-organisms, which could be construed as "shellfish". Probably pure myth, but I thought it was funny. I can really imagine it happening.

Someone really did suggest it but it never happened because everyone was laughing too hard to get around to organising it.