Couldn't have been said better. "I just planted a tree." Whoopdie-shit.

Yay! People can happily argue! MY LIFE HAS MEANING!!!

@Volsung, Yeah, you're right. I just don't like people being overly-anti-human (I'm not even sure if anyone was in this thread). Seems a little hypocrititical; or something similar to that.

The most of the humans have two, very important things: Intelligence and Wisdom. The creators of the Nuclear bomb and those who used it don't have this two things. If we keep this two thing alive in this planet, the humanity will survive for millions of years.

Modern Technology is all about improving upon old technology to make it cleaner and safer. Nuclear weapons are really shit, but without experiments in Nuclear power we'd still be burning huge amounts of Fossil fuels, which would do Earth no good.

Anyway, most Governments are signing up to reduce polution and global warming. America can't sign up. If they did they would lose all their money and be a third world nation.

Many people probaly think that humans are just a bad idea, but they are not. It's just that some of us can think and do horrlbe things. Many people can murder, , destroy, stuff like that. Those people do have cold hearts, and nagatetive feelings, and they would probalty derserv to die. And now the Earth is getting alot of negative energy from those people, and no one likes that.

Humans can very good and more positive too, if they not do these kinda things,and it is for their own and our good.

There's a lot of dumb shit in this thread. To start, humans are not naturally good or bad. We're not oil-hungry shit monsters, and we're not LSD-dropping tree huggers, either. Most of us are indifferent. And this stuff about the earth being "alive"... That's ridiculous beyond words.

The reason we use so many resources is because we use our minds more than we use our bodies. The reason we have become the dominant species is because we're able to USE the resources, so naturally we have to, otherwise we wouldn't be able to do much at all. Of course, we shouldn't suck 'em down like a fat man at Dairy Queen, but god damn, we should be allowed to use them.

Another point. The bad things we've done don't outweigh the good things we've accomplished. All of our achievements in mathematics, philosophy, and all around science (I'm not talking technical science). We've achieved such a huge amount, just for the sake of KNOWLEDGE. To give up the pursuit of science would be lunacy. I didn't even mention art and culture... Don't go insane. Humans are bad, and they're good. We have Mother Theresas, and we have land barons. Let's deal with it and not take the pussy way out by giving it up.

Here, here. I agree with you though Joe. Not using things provided to us is just stupid - especially when these things have the potential to better our lives. Eventually when our species is in need of resources we'll find a way to get by - we have in the past, we will in the future. Humans will probably continue to live for a very long time due to the technology we've developed throughout time.

Oh, this reminds me: sidebar question. Who belives in intelligent life elsewhere in the universe? Cellular organisms don't count. I'm talking about species that are technologically advanced and have established advanced societies. Personally, I think that there has to be at least one other civilization out there. The universe is just too big for there not to be... too many possabilities... too many conditions... I just can't see how there isn't.

Say what you think.

I try to keep a neutral opinion on things that I have no idea about, but I agree that it is possible, and also the universe is so big that it would seem strange to just have one intelligent species in it! But, as I have no idea, I am neutral about this.

Agreed.
I'm not sure I have a clue what you mean, here. Everything living uses resources, what makes our cultures different from most animals is that we're driven to over-use. Our societal idea of the perfect life happens to be one that is exceedingly resource heavy. One might argue that animals tend to over-use as well, (and one would be right) but other animals aren't capable of exploiting as well as we are. Does that mean we should? We're the only species that can cause nuclear winter, therefore we should?
This is arguable. It depends on what you think are bad things and what you think are good things. I might think that having to work forty hours a week at a mindless job is bad. And you might say that because I work those hours I get electricity, warmth and a roof. At the end of the day, the niceties of life are subjective. Some need them, some don't.

I think the bad outweighs the good because our culture has a tendency to expand beyond its means. I don't think that in the future when we've destroyed all the natural resources there will be some magic pill to save humanity. And I think that even if there were, who'd save the rest of the creatures on earth? Who's to say they won't one day be capable of thinking on our level or beyond?
I may have missed something, but I don't recall anyone suggesting we toss out science, or abandon art and culture. The last two aren't even things we could abandon if we wanted too. We're hardwired, so to speak. Nevertheless, the pussy way out is to accept the eventual destruction of the earth's species to feed us as the inevitable way of things. The pussy way out is saying, "We're smarter than anything else so we deserve whatever we can get."

Again, humans aren't bad or good; technology isn't bad or good. What matters is being smart about the way you live your life. Resources don't last forever, no matter how limitless the supply of water from the tap.

Oh, and Rich the Intern's right about modern technology improving on the old. I don't think nuclear is the way to do it, since the waste is next to impossible to get rid of, but fossil fuels won't cut it. Besides, whats the latest projection? 2050, something like that, before there just isn't any more fossil fuels on earth. Period. It would be nice to have an alternative source that couldn't sterilize everything for a mile radius.

As for intelligent, technologically advanced civilizations elsewhere. Of course there are. Why wouldn't there be? On the other hand, why would they have to be technologically advanced to count? For most of human history our most complex tool was a sharp rock. And those people were genetically IDENTICAL to who we are now. The creation of the plough didn't make us smarter, it just meant we worked harder.

Me dum angry peeps! RAARGH!!
 

Yes. Definatley. If people hate humans that much, kill yourself and spare us your mindless drawling, because we hate you too. (Not you, Facsimile, just overly sad people who hate people purely because they are people. People (I'll say it a few more times if you like...).)
Yes, of course there are other intelligent life forms in the universe! Anyone who says there isn't any possibility that there is life apart from us, is either stupid, mis-informed or extremely religious.

Yay! Not me!

But the only reason I'm a bit (Note: a bit) anti-human is that as a whole, we are slowly destroying the planet (and no, I don't think it's alive, I'm not a crackpot) that we live on.

And yes, I think life must exist on planets other than ours. I mean, the universe is infinite.
And if anyone creates a thread using my quote about the universe being infinite I'm going to scream.

No matter how much people say that creating technology and self helping humans do, we are most definatley killing earth.(Destroying is a better word...)

Well said. The Milky Way (or whatever it is, not resembeling Milky or Way.), is but a very small fragment, insignificant fragment, of the universe.

I will scream for no reason.:P And why would they do that?

Because everytime I take a slight jab at religion, or I say something controversial, someone makes a thread out of it. I've started two religious debate threads that way, and I'm not happy about it, as people write out a thousand, million word posts everyday in those things, and by the time I check it again I'm lost.

Oh. That reason.
Now people, you can believe this comet will collide with the world in 1.5 decades or so, from a 0.06 thoery, but do you honestly think that's much of a threat?

*Bill Clinton mode off.*

Hell yeah! God's still building, but eventually God will run out of Space in his hobbie room.

Earth will be destroyed one day by the natural ways of the universe. There's nothing we can do about it, so we may as well be immoral bastards while we can!

*steals stuff*

Earth is a ball of Rock. Get over it. Btw, If I'm being a cock, don't worry. I mean no harm.

Why shouldn't we kill and destroy the Earth slowly, if our fate and the Earth's fate is as inevitable and soon as many people claim?

I know that our culture expands beyond its means, and that's something that needs to be changed. The whole point of my post was that the negatives in humanity must be changed, and we shouldn't give up on ourselves yet. But I don't think the bad outweighs the good yet, because most of us are willing to change our ways. We just haven't done it yet.

What I meant was, we're able to think of new ways to use resources. Our species was built on the use of tools, essentially, and tools require more resources than just food sources. As we develop more tools, we require more resources. We are driven to over-use, but only because of our need for tools. I'm not saying at all that we should be allowed to take whatever we please. What I'm saying is that we should be allowed to live within our means without getting rid of necessary things.

I wasn't making any remarks about what anyone has said here. Rather, I was talking more about the idea of anti-humanism. I suppose I shouldn't've said art and culture. I figured I was on a roll. I figured wrong.

yes, it is shit isn't it?
2000! The world will end

that's just peachy

I'm looking forward to it

Booya to that! Hopefully, when the earth is being destroyed, humans will not build a huge spaceship thingy to go to another planet, because then history will just repeat itself. (With covenant... :P )


That it is. A gaseous ball of crap where we and all the other animal kingdom inhabit like lice. Can we not find another ball of rock to call our planet(to ruin, again)? (Ok, probably not...)

my planet is my chair,bed,some good games, and my X-box

That is quite sad, my dear chum. Please stay on topic, and careful of bedsores.
Just to be on topic, why were certain members of the public saying the world was going to end in the year 2000? Me just forgetfullness :P

@Joe the Intern: 'tis cool. Upon your clarification of statements, I find I agree with what you're saying. Mostly. I'll still think the bad outweighs the good until all those well-meaning people actually do something, as actions are the only things that can actually stop what we're doing.

I do think we're destroying the planet, and I don't think its inevitable. I'm not suggesting we give up the things we're accustomed too, I'm just saying we should be looking for ways to have those things that aren't self-destructive. I think that's what everyone is saying.

Oh, and I think there were some religous reasons why people thought the world would end in 2000. Not being religous myself, I can only confidently vouch for fear of Y2k. Computers had not been programmed to understand a date with a 2xxx. The theory was that this would cause all computers everywhere to crash, resulting in the launching of every nuclear bomb on the planet. Or something equally dramatic. Anyway, that was one reason. But I'm almost certain there were others of biblical import.

I'm guessing that it would be very unlikely. How would we know where to go? We could be traveling around our own Galaxy for millions of years before we found anything.

The world was supposed to end thousands of years ago. The World was supposed to end hundreds of years ago. The world was supposed to end 5 years ago. Whatever.

Yeah I know, I'm just trying to stupid, like my old natu-raaahl self.
Who would honestly believe the y2k bug... I mean, "Ooh, ooh, my computer can't display the numbers '2' and '0'x4! AAAARGH!!!!".

20000? Now that might be a problem!