Abe Babe...did you see Resident Evil 4 at E3? That game looks awesome! It's in a whole new engine and you aren't stuck with weird camera angles.

-oddguy :cool:

Actually, Multiplayer is the most enjoyable part of the game. You just need gameboy advances. But there's a way to play it multiplayer without gameboys. All you need is 5 Gamecubes, 4 wavebird controllers, 5 gameboyplayers, and 4 tv's ^_^

And yes, I highly recommend Resident Evil. That whole series is the very reason I bought a gamecube, and Resident Evil 4 can have my babies any day.

Heh, yeah ... better to buy more GBAs. I heard that multiplayer is the best part of the game ... but I only know one person who would want to play multiplayer with me. And that's my brother who just uses my GBA as I don't use it much ... so he'll never buy his own.

Well, you see ... I "saw" it ... but I didn't get a chance to play it. You see the trouble w/ E3 is that there is so much to see and do that you don't get a chance to look at everything. So well, I didn't get over to the Nintendo area much as I was mainly hanging around the PS2 and Xbox games. I never played any RE games though as I haven't owned a Nintendo console since the days of the SNES. But I heard lots of good things about them ... so the opportunity will now arise. ;) I have to buy that GC first though. Then the next step is finding more time for games ... seeing I still didn't finish FFX-2. I was looking through my games collection the other day, and I swear I own so many games that I have never completed.

Abe Babe...

Well I was reeeally annoyed when I heard MO was an X-Box exclusive, so I'd love to have Oddworld back with their original company. Sony...and PC's would get it too I suppose. The thing is, I own a PS2, and I know X-Box's have better graphical capability, but by the time stranger gets off the ground there will probably be a PS3, which will be better than them both. Of course they may also be an X-Box2, but I'm sure loads of people were irratated that X-Box got Munch, and somehow I have I a feeling that X-box's may die out. Not for sure, (like the GC, which has had its price HALFED to get customers). Why dont they just do it on both...AND PC. Then everyone will be happy! as long as they dont cut bits out...

*ignores most of thread*

I'll be getting it on Xbox. I don't have a PS2. I don't want one either. I'm not an avid gamer, and what games I do enjoy are on Xbox.

I did think about getting a PS2 a while back... I forget what game it was that made me consider it... Bah, obviously wasn't good enough, as I can't remember it now. I haven't tried the PS2 joypad. Out of interest, what is it like? The PS1 gave me cramp.

I think the X-Box had a head start from the beginning seeing as Microsoft is one of the biggest names in compting at the minute. Fair enough Sony were able to follow up games such as Metal Gear Solid, Grand Theft Auto and Tomb Raider but Microsoft are more safe from a wealth and popularity point of view so it seems the best option is to invest games and series' into their company. I've got a PS2 and have been on it quite a bit lately as my 9800 Pro Graphics Card keeps getting delayed. Personally i think Oddworld should consider following up the series on PC also.

I'll be getting it on X-Box, I hate PS2, there's nothing interesting to me to play on it (Until the Nightmare Before Christmas game comes out on it! :D).

Wasn't that supposed come out last Christmas? Anyway, I want it so bad! It looks cool, Jack get a big green-jello whip :D

Paul O'Connor meant that their games are designed on paper without a console in mind but once they get to the programming stage they know what console(s) they are programming for. My guess is that they are programming it for the Xbox and the PS2 decision came as part of the deal with EA.


PS Ann, whats this about a Nightmare Before Christmas game? that would be cool

My point still stands that anyone who questions the quality of either the PS2 or Xbox version of Stranger is really questioning the ability of Oddworld Inhabitants. It's not like them to make a shitty game, so even if the PS2 version is a port, I doubt it'd be released just as that.

It's the sequel in video game form basically. It was featured in Gameinformer a few months back.

uhh..im kinda new here..weel, probably things will work just fine on both consoles..but i prefer the PS2.remember, the first 2 games came out on PS and PC.Im sure OWI will going to maximize the power of both console without sacrificing the quality of the gameplay experience.. hope it will also come out on PC.nyone agree?

I'm doubtful of a PC release.

However, Munch's Oddysee was originally supposed to be released on the Playstation 2, but then Microsoft swooped in with it's vast amounts of money and an exclusivity deal for it.
Oddworld always had a true home with Sony.

1 Me too
2 How do you know that, do you have any proof or is it only speculation?
3 According to oddworld's lead programmer the Xbox is absolutly amasing good to program on.

2. OWI said themselves back before the PS2 was even released, the next oddworld game would be on the next sony system. I believe their statement was somewhere along the lines of "we'd wait forever for sony to finish the playstation 2"

3. Xbox is a better system to program on and every developer knows that. PS2 is the hardest system out to program for. The reason the quality of PS2 games has gone up in the last couple of years is Sony was getting pissed off at developers for making shitty ports on the PS2.

what I meant with point 2 is that I don't know any official word about Microsoft swooping in with it's vast amounts of money and an exclusivity deal for it.

and point 3, I refer to the SplinterCell games, my friend owns it on PS2, okay it has an extra level, but the Xbox version looks way better, and was out sooner

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What they said, was that Sony wasn't being very helpful with companies developing in the PS2 for the first time, and that's why they switched.

There were numerous reasons why OWI made an exclusivity deal with Microsoft for Munch's Oddysee. The biggest of which was Microsoft offered them loads of money to develop it and have it ready to be released alongside the Xbox. Furthermore, by being a second party developer with Microsoft they'd make even MORE money off the game directly from MS themselves, even if the game itself didn't do so well. Also, as I said, the PS2 is a bitch to program for in comparison to the Gamecube and Xbox.

Where, when replying to your "point 3", did I ever mention that PS2 games look better than Xbox games? I said the PS2 is harder to program for, but Sony has started demanding better quality out of developers or else they won't support their products in full. Of course Xbox is going to look better when you compare the same game on it and PS2. It has newer, more advanced hardware, supports both bump and normal mapping, and has a natural antialiasing effect to smooth out model edges. However, I don't like the "solid" look Xbox gives games. They don't look natural because they don't blend as well, IN MY OPINION. And yes, I've played my share of Xbox games and have compared several games that were released on both Xbox and PS2, and I'm a huge hardware buff, so I do know what I'm talking about.

Also, read the posts at this forum here: http://boards.ign.com/message.asp?to...&ui=cb_post_01
They have quotes direct from Lorne Lanning himself as to why he decided not to use the PS2. And, as I have said, the major reasons were 1. The PS2 is harder to code for, and 2. Microsoft offered them more support.
However, that has changed now that Microsoft has completely dumped support of OWI and won't even publish their games anymore, likely due to the poor sales of Munch's Oddysee.
However, such poor sales can likely be attributed to the lack of interest among Xbox gamers for games that "break the mold". Very few games take any risk by trying to do something unique, which OWI is famous for doing. Therefore, it's likely safe to assume that, as I said towards the beginning of this thread, the majority of Xbox gamers are uninterested in anything original and out of the ordinary, and would sooner spend their money on the Halo 2 than Stranger.
By refraining from developing Oddworld games on the PS2, OWI is merely limiting their sales by trying to appease an unwanting audience. And you can quote me on that.

Mr. Lanning and his team sure know how to make a damned good game. They just don't know jack shit about marketing.

Well I only own an Xbox, so will be buying it for Xbox.

I agree that in certain genres of games, Xbox is lacking. But they have been slowly expanding their library. I've been considering buying an Xbox because I love RPGs. But I have 3 friends who come over religiously on Saturday nights and we play games like D&D Heroes or PSO Online and the Xbox's HD is very handy.

If I have both consoles when the next OW game is released, I will still buy it for Xbox. One of the reasons I think they have so many FPS and Driving games is as someone said, the system can handle them much better.

I was always under the impression that marketing was handled more by the publisher than the developer. Unless you are referring more to interviews and statements about the game, as opposed to the marketing of the actual game itself [press releases, promotion, sales packaging, advertising, etc].

Abe Babe...

Yes. I was referring to the statements by Lanning himself quoted on that forum posting I linked to.

Ahhhh! This is the thing I was most dreading... o__O

In the beginning I only bought an Xbox for MO, and now I hear Stranger is coming out on PS2 as well. I want a PS2 for Final Fantasy.... and I have to choose between the two consoles. My parents are idiots.... I can't have both, can I??!!!!!!!! *kicks Xbox*

Anyway, I do like my Xbox.... it's just that I really want to play Final Fantasy. It really annoys me that Xbox ONLY has stupid killing games. There are like no RGPs on Xbox.

Well enough of my ranting o__O

~Miss Odd

P.S Check out Oddworld Online lol :P

Sure there is. I recommend Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic.

-oddguy :cool:

plus u got morrowind,baldurs gate,arx fatalis for rpgs and fables coming out in september

Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic - fantastic RPG. I play Balder's Gate 1 and 2, Phantasy Star Online, and yes Fable will kick some serious booty!

Problem with Xbox is hardly any of it's good/unique games are exclusive. You can get most of those games you listed for PC or some other system as well if you wanted to. Whereas most of the great PS2 and Gamecube games are 100% exclusive.

well it is microsoft after all, windows and such. more money for them releasing games for xbox and pc, but i know what u mean. it annoyed me when splinter cell came out for ps2 when it was supposed to be for xbox only

Yep. The way Xbox is running things, if you already own a PC, PS2 and/or Gamecube, there's no need to own an Xbox really, because you're pretty much guaranteed most of the big games will be released on another platform at one point or another. And since I already do own all three of those systems, I won't be getting an Xbox anytime soon.

You got a point there. However, I always get a multiplatform game for Xbox, because it has better graphics...and I just love the hard drvie. You are right that Xbox needs to release more exclusive games.

-oddguy :cool:

True enough, but things have sloooowly been changing. I mean they released GTA/Vice City double pack on Xbox last year...which was supposed to be a PS2 exclusive, and then also with Silent Hill 2 and I think (not 100% though) one of the other SH's were coming to Xbox. I'm not a PC gamer so to me, something like KOTOR is Xbox exclusive (but you're right I forgot about PC).

Welll...I'm buying one of them for pretty much the express purpose of having the ability to play stranger. I've got a beefy PC and a gamecube and have been weighing the plusses and minuses of the PS2 and XBOX. The XBOX does seem to suffer from a lack of exclusives, of the main games I've wanted to play on it (Stranger, Advent Rising, Halo, Halo 2, and Knights of the Old Republic), only one is exclusive as I've already got Halo on my PC, but there's lots of games I'd like to play on the PS2. But being an animator myself, I like the pretty graphics...so....the jury is still out. Thankfully there's still enough time before stranger comes out for another price drop...(me hopes:))

Makes sense!! And then you can play Munch's Oddysee also!

Welcome to the forums btw!

Although there are some RPGs on Xbox, I haven't really found one that is story driven like the FF games are. They seem more like the "hack and slash" kinds of RPGs. Altough I haven't played the Star Wars RPG, as I aren't really into Star Wars.

I prefer to buy games that I aren't sure of for the Xbox cause it's lots cheaper to buy a game from the US for me than to buy it on the PS2 in Australia.

Like Fuzzles, I don't like PC games much either. Because you have to "install" them, and if you have a lot of games, you are going to use up your HD space very quickly [especially with me as I have an older computer and only 40 GB of combined HD space]. Like Diablo II is one of few PC games I have installed, and the full/multiplayer install takes up over 1 GB. A console is much easier, you just put the disc in and away you go. And with the Xbox's HD, it makes saving games a breeze.

Abe Babe...

Aaah I know. I have a PSOne and have been seriously considering a PS2 or possibly the next gen when it's available just for FF. I totally agree about the "hack and slash" concept Xbox has brought to RPGs but I still enjoy them, things like D&D Heroes and well the much anticipated Fable should change the face of RPGs for the Xbox. I hate Star Wars games also, but really liked Knights of the Old Republic.

XBOX. There is no denying that ports from the PS2 end up looking better than the original. Just 1 example: The GTA double pack games look hella better than the PS2 games. Plus the headest and Xbox live are bitching not to mention the built in hard drive. Plus, too many good games are coming out for it to not be an auto buy. For instance, the new Mechwarrior and Halo games, Fable, Jade Empire, KOTOR 2. It also has Full Spectrum Warrior which is as fun as any other military-based game I've ever played. Also, Metal Slug. I'm sorry, but I just effing LOVE that series.

I love those games. I've played the demo for the new one and I'm hooked, I'm glad they stuck to good ol' 2D. I beat the first one in under an hour, I beat the second over a period of 2 days. I'm going for the record with this one.

Point is though, if you're like me and already own a PC, Gamecube and Playstation 2, what insentive does Microsoft give to buy an Xbox as well if I can get most games on it for a system I already own?

Well, I'm not like you. And most people who have already played MO for Xbox aren't either.

Yes. And look at what a big success Munch's Oddysee was on Xbox.

OWI can blame it on hype all they want. Fact is, the majority of Xbox gamers don't care about Oddworld.
Almost all of my friends own Xbox's and I can't convince them for the life of me to give MO a try. Most of the Xbox owners that actually enjoyed MO were the ones that bought an Xbox specifically for it.

OWI never put all the blame on hype. It was moved to a completely new system and 60% of the stuff we expected was scrapped. It had to be completely redone for Xbox and the time they had didn't allow them to reprogram it all. Hype does indeed take alot of blame. And MO was a big success on Xbox, it won everything, just not one of the fan's favurites.