I got nothing agains homosexuals... if you feel attracted to the same gender, so be it. Thats a choice of living aint it?

As for Paedophilia, these kind of sicko's can be locked away for good if not given the death penalty. What Alcar said, I totaly agree about.

And one more thing on beastitism I just want to say. As i said, I try not to pick side's in matters like this, though I might do it just a little...
In general you can devide these ppl in two places. The one's who prefer animals becouse they most of the time have a bigger penis then an avaraga human male (this kind of catogory can be both man and women...) and the one's who feel both sexualy and emotionaly attracted to animals.
In both cases I say you have a little error up there, for the first group that would be a sex driven mind which by itsself can't be much of harm, but can grow to bizar and even dangerus situations such as having sex with animals.
The second you could call mentaly ill (though I do not think you should see all these ppl as the same mentaly ill group), ppl who are realy attracted to an animal, it being a dog, a cat, a horse or a goldfish for all I care.
The reason for these ppl to 'fall in love' with a certain animal can be as a reaction to a childhood trama, most the time these ppl will have lost all trust in humans that they will get their love from something els.
Though, not all are like that, there are some who just realy like a certain animal (like I realy love tigers) but go beyond what is apropriate in this society.

It might be written in the bible that having sex with animals is forbidden (I dunno, I don't know the complete bible :P), but for those who don't believe in a god, why would it be strange to them to have sex with a dog? There is no written rule, no natural penalty for doing so. Only the opinion of certain ppl who think animals are below our status and are diffrent.
Cuz where exactly is it written that 'human' and animal can not have sex together, appart from the bible?

Actually Oddguy, if you think about it there is polygamy everywhere in the animal kingdom. Just about any herding animal practices polygamy...as it's one male with a bunch of females. So, on that point Polygamy is hardly 'against nature' as nature itself practices it through many animal species.

Paedophilia: the sickos that do this should be shot.

Homosexuality: I have no problem with it, as they are born that way. It's not a choice. It does happen in the animal kingdom as well BTW, by what percentage I do not know...but I have witnessed it myself. I used to keep pet mice ages ago and I kept the male and female mice in separate cages. One time I caught a male mouse f-cking another male.

Beastiality: I am not sure where I stand on this. I thought I was completely against it...but now I am not sure. Something tells me this is going to be one of those topics I won't touch with a ten foot pole...

-oddguy :cool:

'Well, it's all going against nature. Paedophilia, Homosexuality, Polygamy, Beastiality'

Well, technically only one of them is going against nature, and that's Paedophilia. The others are all practiced in the animal kingdom and have been documented fact.

'I allready made my point earlier...open the door to one way of life, and others will follow.'

Yeh, but you could say that about everything. Going back to my hillbilly remark, you could say that their argument was to give a Black guy rights, would eventually lead to giving an animal the same rights. If everybody thought like you, no laws would be changed through fear that something obscure and foul would slip through the net.

I was thinking about this a couple of nights ago, and i realised that when saying "illegal" repeatedly i thought "prison". So, if 2 men/women got married...they could be arrested [chances are in Britain this wouldn't happen, because people couldn't care less].

I feel sorry for people like Oddguy, it must be awful to live a life where you worry about such small things becoming okay. For me, i just think "So long as it harms nobody and does nobody any damage, it can't be that bad". But Oddguy and people like him have to think about it in connection with "God" and what he'd do/say/think.

Oddguy, i'm thinking of going to America in the near future and going to one of those Christian seminar things and seeing if i can trick them into agreeing with certain Satanic rules, what would their reaction, if any, be?

EDIT: I don't think you should be warned. If you came from Britain your attitude would be completly different, it's just a shame you come from a country that's trapped in the '50's.

'And, some people may be born Gay, but I know some people who choose that path to be trendy.'

I know a guy who's really Bisexual but says he's Gay so girls are more relaxed around him, he also goes around pulling girls. I, as well as the Fag community, hate Queer-wanabes like him. They're not needed and they make people think that what we are is chosen.

'But getting married, in a church, is just so hypocritical for Gays.'

I can understand your reasoning for that. But Registrar weddings, i believe, are okay. Unless you then get Queer-Christians, who want to be blessed by Gods will. In which case i feel they have a right to be accepted into Gods grace.

'I was talking human nature.'

Actually Oddguy, if you think about it there is Polygamy everywhere in the Mormon kingdom.

' You may think it is wrong because the percentage of the population is a minority (10%)'

Well, technically it's 78.5% of the world, but they just don't know/have accepted it yet.

Whats Polygamy?

More than one partner...i believe. Mormon crazzyness!!

The condition or practice of having more than one spouse at one time. Also called plural marriage.

Responding to Jacob...

I really dislike how you write things down and say I believe them.
I have a great life...you saying that I do not doesn't make my life any worse.
And...don't feel bad for me, because I am happy in my beliefs and way of life.

If you can't handle opinions that differ from yours, I suggest you shield your eyes from topics such as this one.

Also, personal attacks on my character is just tacky. I do not personally attack you...I feel I should be given the same respect. It's just an opinion...it doesn't make me right...just the way I think.

-oddguy :cool:

What, so its like cheating on ya wife? or is it like having two wifes and they both dont mind?

second one! Pretty lame if you ask me.

-oddguy :cool:

Thats cool (I dont mean the Polygamy). cheers for that.

The Mormon organization does not endorse Polygamy.

-oddguy

Why do I always get the feeling no-one reads my posts... hm...

I was mad a couple minutes ago...at you, Jacob...but now for some reason the anger has left me. I think it hit me when I visited the "game endings" thread. I saw that you said something about the Buffy game. It made me think. I'm a Buffy fan, an OW fan...and so are you. We may have differing opinions on belief, but we're both here at these forums because we share interests. We shouldn't be fighting. It's just a waste of time. So, I say we both just go on with our lives, and be friends. Why should we let beliefs ruin a possible friendship? I mean, your so witty, and you've made me laugh on more than one occasion.

This always seems to happen. I get mad, then it quickly passes.

Anyway, I appologize.

-oddguy :cool:

The only difference between human and animal nature is that humans can make a conscious choice to do something or not. We are still animals and like animals are driven by instincts: we just have the ability to decide whether or not to cercum(sp) to it.

I forget where I read it, but someone quoted on a board something along the lines of this: 'There are six billion people on this world. We might has well have five billion different religions, for no man thinks the same or believes in the same way.'

Polygamy to clarify, is where a man has multiple wives. There is such a thing as where a woman has multiple husbands, but I forget the term for it. The Morman belief may not endorse Polygamy as a whole, but there is a sect of them in Utah that follow it.

As a final note, I agree with Jacob on those who 'pretend' to be homosexual because it's 'trendy' (I imagine there are those out there that claim to be homosexual to drive of the affections of some they deem 'unsuitable'). It is wrong to pretend to be what you are not, for you do nothing but harm the reputation of those that really are what you pretend to be...

I'm intrigued, do explain.

oddguy, as much as I was taken back with your blatant stance, I can't and wouldn't warn you for it. It's your opinion afterall, ClaireBear is in no position to make such comments.

To what extent do we believe the Bible? It seems that everyone these day regards the book of Genesis as a myth (except for the fundamentalists). While other parts are regarded as truth. Again, we come to two points. Firstly, being that as humans under God, we do not have the right to interpret the Bible for anything other than what is stated. Secondly, in time, we will forget that such things as 'homosexuality is a sin' was ever truth.

Face the facts, history is against you. A thousand years from now, Catholicism will be dead. A new religion will take its reign. And in decades to come, homosexuality (etc) will be legal, and accepted. It happened to women and blacks, all who rightly deserved equality. The same mindset will apply to those in the future. It's the people who can see this in a time when it isn't accepted that my heart goes out to; the people strong enough to overcome the bounds of society and see through the fabrications. Jesus wanted us to fight for what was right, and not let biggots rule. It's sad that the followers of Christ are the biggots. It's a sadistic irony.

Alcar...

'I really dislike how you write things down and say I believe them.'

I don't think i've done that intentionally...well, i might have done. I can't actually remember.

'I have a great life...you saying that I do not doesn't make my life any worse.'

Erm...i don't believe i said you had a crap life...

'And...don't feel bad for me, because I am happy in my beliefs and way of life.'

I just think that if you had a different upbringing you could grasp life by the balls and shout "WHOOOO!!" in its face a lot more.

'If you can't handle opinions that differ from yours, I suggest you shield your eyes from topics such as this one.'

Erm, i can. Just because i have a debate and argue one side doesn't mean i can't.

'Also, personal attacks on my character is just tacky.'

Erm...i didn't personally attack you.

'The Mormon organization does not endorse Polygamy.'

Strange, i learned in History it was one of the many reasons why they were forced to move to Saltlake...needless to say, it was the Christians who forced them to.

'I'm intrigued, do explain.'

Lol, it was a joke. Although it wouldn't surprise me if 50% of America was bent. What with cottaging [crusing] being a widespread phenomona among married men.

And Alcar, that last statement was rather well put together, well done *claps*

I thought you may have been joking, but I wouldn't have been surprised if you weren't. I was thinking you were going to include animals, and the African nations :p But yes, I wouldn't be surprised if the actual percentage was higher.

However, on the subject of Beastiality / Homosexuality again. How can a country (USA) allow people to marry dogs, but not allow men to marry men, or women to marry women? The same goes for Australia, in the sense that I just learnt someone I know through someone else gave his company to his dog, to rid himself of tax! Pure genious! :D

Alcar...

Those life styals are wrong period. And Jacob you want to know what we would do if you went to a gathering of christians? Well we would simply become your friend and we would give you a prayer. But it would simply be up to you.

Now its up to you to make the decision on wether this is right or not. We christian can only deliver the message of God to you. Its up to you to let Christ in your life.

Paramiteabe... :fuzblink:

You're implying that the people who accept Homosexuality (etc) have not let Christ into our lives. Yet, I've let Christ into my life plenty. I've let God into my life plenty. And I still do. I'm an active and practicing Catholic. So then why do I have conflicting views to my religion? But I won't let something control me when my heart tells me it is infitinely wrong. A fundamental or psuedo-fundamental Christian / Jew / Muslim / Hindu / Buddhist / etc, is just as bad as drone bee.

Jesus said everyone was equal, no matter what. The people possessed by demons were equal, they just had to have the demons forced from their hosts. Jesus did that. He approached those with evil spirits, and forced them out. Even when everyone else wouldn't give a second thought for them. Jesus saw everyone in equal light. He saw women as equals, yet it took mankind (and by mankind, I mean men, and men only) nearly two thousand years to realise Jesus' message. How long will it be before every biggot realises everyone is equal?

I've made the decision to think for myself. And I'm proud to know I'm what Jesus would have wanted the human population to be more like.

Alcar...

That is really weird. I mean how would a dog know how to... with a woman....from behind...its...weird...because it would have to be..from the ..front..and dogs can't...from the...front. (Painfully vomits on everyone.)
(And then vomits on Alcar) :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:

P.S. When I die, I want to come back as a dirty girl's pet horse, so that she can ride me every day. You know what I mean. :fuzwink: :fuzwink: :fuzwink:
By the way, animals with humans can be sexually attractive, for example, would you say no to a naked woman lying next to a tiger or a leopard? Or a clotheless woman with a cobra coiled around her?

Your absolutely right Alcar. Jesus Christ viewed everyone equel but Christ never did say that what we do is right. It is until we realise what we do is wrong is when he forgives us. If you have conflicting views with religion then fine. Just talk to Christ and he would answer your questions towards religion. In reality God views all of us as the same and it is until we realise that we will have conflicting views among us.

Wrong in who's opinion? Yours right? I wanna bet the ppl doing the ppl doing it certainly don't agree with you and neither do I. I have the feeling most ppl (for some sick reason) always get the idea of two men f*cking each other in the rear as soon as they hear someone is gay. You can be gay and just love each other you know...
My two next door naighboors are gay... nothing wrong with them either. So why would a man and a women who love each other should get married, but a man and a man (or a women and a women) who love each other can not? Where is the logic in that? Are we going back to the mid age's when black ppl where the one's picked on?

And why the heck do you ALWAYS have to bring religion into a topic like this! You did that back in the Iraqi topics as well...

If I were you Havoc, I would raid and destroy your gay scum neighbours house.

Couple of quotes. The first is from me, written in response to a homophobic on another board who refered to homosexuals as nothing but animals:

"No matter what color our skin is, what religion we believe in, or what our sexual orintation is: we are all human. This is what those that discriminate against homosexuals need to remember. I am a strong believer that homosexuality something a person is born with, not something that they just suddenly 'decide' to be (I will accept there are those out there that act gay because they think it's 'fashionable'. No I don't think that is ok, for it tints the views others have of homosexuals IMO).

I will admit that when I met my first homosexual I was frightened: he displayed very exaggerated feminine behavior. (And this guy was a First Sergaent in the AF...thinking back now I wonder how he managed to hold that position, considering the 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' policy...which I think is wrong anyway) But that was because I really didn't know anything about homosexuality. Human beings have a tendiacy to fear and hate what they don't understand, but I never went into the 'hate' part and after finding out more about them I understood what homosexuality was. As far as I am concerned, it is just falling in love with someone who is the same sex. Love is a wonderful thing...why deny a homosexual the ability to express that love to who they love? Are they not human like the rest of us? Yes they are, no matter what you think or feel about them.

Yes, public acts of lewdness is against the law...but straights are just as guilty of doing such acts as homosexuals. But for those that do the right thing and wait until they get into the privacy of their home to express their love for each other in that way...what is the problem? Why should what they do in the bedroom concern you? It shouldn't...for it's between them and them alone: as long as it's between two consenting non-related adults. "

Second one, in response to the religion bit that keeps creeping up:

"Do not accept authority merely because it comes from a great man, or is written in a sacred book, for truth is different for each man and woman." - Buddhist Monk

Because it is an important issue.

'I always have to bring religion into these topics because I simply want to.'

You always bring idiocy and biggotedness to topics as well...try not to.

Well before I edited my statement I made because I don't want to get into any debate why is it wrong for me to talk about my faith?

Before I go any further which I won't, tell me why do you state that I am wrong and say your right and when it comes to me its the other way around. I hate to tell you we are all in the same boat so its pretty much irrelevant.

-oddguy :cool:

No they are not people. Also isn't anyone paying attention to my thread at the top of this page? PLEASE LISTEN TO MEEEEEE!

Homosexuals are people. You're not a person, because you show all the characteristics of an animal. No emotions, or feelings. Animal.

Alcar...

Obviosly you realy have something against gayism (blah... don't feel like spelling), unless you can give me a few good reasons to realy realy hate them, just shut up about it cuz if you can't give a reason, you just think they are freaky cuz they are diffrent then you and your save little life style. Everything diffrent then your save life style is weird... more ppl are like that. I HATE THAT! ARGH!

Ummmm, whoa! I may not be a supporter of homosexuality, but I don't say they are evil!

Funny thing happened to me yesterday. My dad had an old college friend visit him. The guy was a teacher in every subject, so he was smart. He even spoke russian. Anyway, he was an all around nice guy. Ya know what? He was Gay. What a wake up call for me! It made me think about the stuff I'd been saying in this thread.

I've come to the conclusion...it's not really our place to judge who is good or evil. Our job is to examine and better ourselves. God will decide who is good and evil through their actions.

-oddguy :cool:

First and foremost OG... the PM wasn't in connection with this thread... it was another and I wasn't suggesting that you be warned... maye I wasn't making myself 100% clear.

But anyhoo...

I think you're making progress here... its good to read that you're less bigotted and much more open to differing views and ideas... and its even more great to read that you're going to leave all the decision making to an entity devised in the DarkAges through a coralation of a number of well known tales and stories to control the masses... smart move.

My opinion is that everyone deserves respect purely and simply because if you're intelligent you can empathise with peoples feelings and understand the effects of derogitory actions by putting yourself in the place of the individual being persecuted... not because a book tells me so.

But thats just my opinion...

Homosexuals deserve respect and tolerance, Paedophiles deserve to be castrated and beastiality... the juries still out on that one for me... at th moment I'm on the side of "Eeeeeugh! Surely gotta hurt the animals!"

Oh, come on! How can the jury be out on this one? You know why people see bestiality as wrong? Its because its hardwired into sane humans to view sexually deviant acts like pedophillia, zoophillia, and incest as perversions. There is not a friggin' chance that bestiality isn't a tremendously revolting and sinful act. It is banned by all major monotheistic religions and most societies in general., thus it is wrong.

Once again... can we keep religion out of this and talk about this subject using our own set standarts? Thank you.

Pedophilia is a bad thing, ppl doing this just have a psyco disorder and should be treated for it in a mental hospital. No offence against these ppl. The one's without a mental disorder though, shoot em as they perfectly know what they are doing!

And for the bestiality, I realy don't know where to stand in this one. I stated my views a few topics above and they havn't realy changed. Exept this on a side note:

I think its in most animals nature to attack someone of they are in pain. I dunno if you ever saw or heared how a dog reacts if you try to **** her if she doesnt want to, but believe me, she isnt just gonna stand there accepting it. So in a way you could say that as long as an animal isnt fighting it hé/she must be enjoying it or at least don't mind it.

Sorry, but I can't keep religion out of anything. When something is posted here with the words "right or wrong" I feel an examination of it it through Christianity and other major religions is justified so kindly get off my nuts.

Im not standing on your nuts...
But what Im saying is that its YOUR opinnion thats asked here. Not the one of the guy who wrote the bible. We all know what the bible has to say about gayism, beastism and all that stuff.

So once again, try to keep it out, PA made a nice little topic for religues stuff so go post your stuff there.

Hey its not "my religion", over 2 billion people practice it, okay? I wouldn't even be talking about religion if the the topic didn't ask if it was right or wrong. I assume that references to it is if bestiality is morally right or wrong. And what do the majority of people, including myself, use as a guide for determining what is morally right and wrong? Religion. If the topic was "What do you think about bestiality" I'd do a quickie post of "That's effing nasty" and move on. But it isn't. So I won't.