i have to agree with death and havoc about thier idea about the world vs USA.........the USA think they are so powerful that they can just push everyone around....but at what cost i mean trying to prevent WW3 my ass......if it ever comes down to it that there will be a WW3.....who do you think is gonna be responsible......ill let you guys guess and if you dont know the answer you must be one big idiot

Inflation rates are now on the increase.
Interest rates are now on the increase.
National Minimum Wage increases are completely meaningless because of councel tax.
Police are nothing more than misplaced power in this country.
Crime has been steadily rising ever since the labor party came into power - even though they've cut 25 percent, that's over a period of time, and crime is still higher than it ever was.
House prices are stupidly high, and first time homeowners are finding it impossible to get anything.
University fees are now completely outrageous, meaning that students are leaving University with immense debts.
The trains are the worst they've ever been in the whole recorded history of the railways.
There was talk of closing the worlds first and largest subway - the underground - as if it was some kind of viable option.

Looks pretty bad to me.

No, of course not. Nobody wants to hate anyone. The problem is, America aren't showing much respect for anybody but themselves. They aren't taking anyone else into account or consideration. If America was a good country in the action it takes, then it would be more widely accepted, but as it is, America was just about the WORST country that could've helped with the dictatorship situation in Iraq.

yes they just found a few shells thats all... not these big massive warehouse that we where all ment to expect, the war was all about the oil

I don't hate America, Majic(typing this directly as this seemed somewhat directed to me). BUT...I do think that Bush is giving us the royal screwjob and protecting himself with jingoism. I'm just trying to say that patriotism is more then a few mumbled words at a hockey game and to just accept everything you hear from the Bush Administration and the media is tantmount to being brainwashed. I can understand why people are frustrated and upset about the way certain people have been conducting themselves.Getting a court-appointed puppet president who gives America a worsening economy, environment, and a corrupt war tends to piss a whole lot of people off, and not just abroad.

Was Bush SR just as bad as his son? If not that guy should be near a mental breakdown about all the critic on his son... :)

Well I think every nation is corrupt these days. It doesn't matter what side your on every nation or government in reality is still wrong. It all depends on what that nation stands for. There is no right side and if you think there is then your insane.

Paramiteabe... :fuzblink:

Then your insane... as you always seem to defend your so called country...

No I support the people and justice of my country not the administration or government. I support the foundation my country was built on and that is the freedom of the people. I am not insane because I support what is right and that is a foundation built under the law of God. I don't support the acts we do against the rest of the world because it is wrong. Now if you don't like that then hate me for what I support!

Actually PA, I have to agree with Havoc on this one - you just blindly support and follow your country because it's where you're from.

I see nothing wrong with that, but that kind of supporting should only be done in a football stadium.

Thank you...

And PA... here you go again with you God... dude He doesnt have anything to do with your country. Iraqi ppl have believe's as well. Some believe in Allah, others in God. Whats the diffrence? Just becouse the bible says you should hate a country (which it does not BTW) means you should? Thats just bullshit and one of the main reasons im not religeus.

Your country (and most others just the same) have long forgotten what justice is. Same here in The Netherlands... 4 years jail for murder? Is that justice? If thats justice then **** justice.
Nowadays justice is just a lame exuse for ppl to get their way. Bush has become verry popular with his speech: And we will bring them to justice... yea right. You realy think Saddam is gonna get an hounest court session? You realy think Bush and every other high ranked butt head is going to 'tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god'?

If that is what you support PA... then yes... then I hate you for it.

PA, you realise that as an American, you have the right to question your governments motives?

Why don't you do that for once rather than just blindly follow?

OK religion yes, that takes a bit of faith since nobody knows what happens when you die but, really, these are things that they have facts for, why don't you go check them out...

According to the bible, various christian religions, and other things written in the bible about God, America should technically be disowned and damned by this so-called God.
Don't ask me why, I was told this 'fact' by my friendly neighbourhood religious-guy.
I love Jacob, he's always right.

PA... your turn... *Thinks to himself: This should be fun...)

Technically the war was justified. I forget the reasons why, but it was on 'Question time' were this was brought up. The woman said that the war was justified because Saddam had broken the UN's resolutions, it's just that the Governments said they were after WMD that threw everybody off.

Labourness
Implemented the Human Rights Act
Five-, six- and seven-year-olds in class sizes of 30 or less
Restored city-wide government to London
Increased child benefit by £5 to £16.05
Created Sure Start to help children from low income households
Introduced the Disability Commission Rights Act
Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the industrial revolution
£200 winter fuel payment to pensioners, with an extra £100 for the over-80s
Free TV licences for over-75s
Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals
Banned handguns

Death, were did you get your information from?

I really don't want this to turn in to another Religious debate but i do believe that the Bible [and its countless spin-offs] are basically written forms of Saddam Hussein etc. Take Lilith for example, she shows all this "Girl power" and shtuffs and what happens? Just because she isn't subserviant to Adam? She is damned by God to have 100 of her children die everyday. Nice(!)

And just on Deaths last point, there are now experiments going on to see what happens after death. The whole OBE thing for example. Which means that if a person comes back and reports to no Godlyness, just another Spiritual existance, then my point will have been proven. However, as all Christians have done in the past, they will class this as Lucifer's work and say that the persons Soul is tainted and that they have drank the Devils juices of evil. Ahh yes, such happy memories...

once again i have to agree with death and havoc......PA your an american right?.....that doesnt mean everything america does you have suppourt it.....your like a blind follower....i understand if you wanna stick up for your country and all but i mean 'justice'....how would you define the 'justice' of america...going to war for oil and to get sadaam and now 700 dead and counting and the families of the soldiers who died have to live with the fact that they died for george bush and the 'justice' of george bush and america......im done...anyone else agree with me?

Sr. was just as bad as Junior except he handled his war a lot better than Chimp-boy.
They both presided over shitty economies, both did shady things(Iran-Contra, funding death squads, War in Iraq(for Junior) and both were strange speakers with bizarre voice patterns. Both broke promises(respectively, No New Taxes, funding for various programs).
Death toll update. Now say closer to 800 for Americans, over 900 collectively.
PA if you support the Constitution you cannot support Bush. He broke funding rules and helped passed legislation that infringes upon your constitutional rights. He also wants to change the Constitution so it only has good, "Christian" things in it. Things he and his wingnuts support.

Hehe I don't support Bush But I also don't support Kerry he is even worse. he is constantly changeing his mind on issues all the time.

I may be a Catholic but I don't support the world. What I do support is my God and all that is good which the Constitution represents. I don't think our four fathers who wrote our constitution back in the 1700's wanted America to turn into what it is today. And Bush simply corrupted it aswell as what Kerry plans to do. Lets face it our government is filled with politicians who want to bring forth WW3.

Paramiteabe... :fuzblink:

LOL. "four fathers". PA you're a genius! :D

Why thankyou Death its really nice to here you say that. I know I know I spelled it wrong dident I? Ah stupid typo error! Oh well you get the idea what I ment right? I don't want to argue or anything I just want to state on my own opinion here. I am not trying to bash someone thats just too much of a bad example on my part. But of course it just went crazy in the other thread which I have vowed to myself will never happen again.

I ABSOLUTELY understand what you're trying to say. And I agree with it.

You're just supporting your country's troops. They fight no matter what, what's not to support about that?

Exactly ya know you got the Governments who want to fight and they are nothing more than a bunch of old guys who send young guys like us into harms way. Ya know whats frightening they might re issue the draft then what?

The draft has to be the most facist neo nazi thing that America as a country can do.

By draft do you mean conscription?...

Is that the same thing as when up until the 1960's in Britain every male under the age of I think it was 30 or so had to do a stint of about 18months in the army?

I think Germany still has that you know...

Or are we talking about calling all young men up to fight in a current war?

EDIT: :blush: Blond moment... I'm on about "military service" you're on about being "called up" Oooops!

Hey!... If there's war thats what happens... I don't agree with war!

If Bush would plan something like that and it would leak out... I can tell you 100% sure he's going to get a bullet in his head the verry next press confrence. If not from me, from someone els :).

It's a call to arms. All men over a certain age and under a certain age must join the army, or face prosecution. Many people try to leave the country or go into hiding, but they have these people that are a bit like the SS who try to find people evading the draft.

(when I'm evading the draft I close the window or door.)

You go Death :P.

Conscription. In Greece this exists. You have to serve in the army for two years, I think.

Then I'd laugh whilst you pray to God behind some sand dune in Iraq.

LOL...

If they would re isue the draft... id be REALY glad im not a homy of the 'Devided State's of Embaresment'

(Sorry, I just rememberd that quote from a CD :))

For all we know the U.S. could have "Planted" that weapon who knows.

That'd be scary if America re-issued the draft. I take Paxil CR, so I think I wouldn't be forced to go because I might go crazy and shoot mah own people for all they know.

-oddguy

At least somebody got the joke. :rolleyes:

ROTFLMAO! Awwwe Death my man! Its the way you type them!....

That joke has to be as old as time... but I still chuckled!

Sorry about my stoooopid moment yesterday.... *CB shuffles in chair and lowers eyes in embarrassed fashion*

Anyhoo... back on topic people...

god is it just me or is that whenever i post no one replies to it........
for all i care kerry can go **** bush up the ass......and on the draft matter if world war 3 starts when im 18 and they draft me.....those ****ers better watch out for me on the battle field.....and what havoc said about assasinating bush just tell me where and when cause that ****er is as good as dead......

No... its not just you! :D

Now you see... (if I wasn't female as, as yet I wont be called to arms)... and I was drafted I'd plead pacifism and/or insanity... ain't no one gonna make me kill or be killed!

Thats the difference between male and female... me no like war!!

In war you can't evade the draft... not even by shutting the window Death!... its a natural course of action for any government... innit! If its a war comparable to WW3 it ain't even a decision to be made... its an actuality!

yay the first person to EVER reply to my post i should celebrate........
and i never said i was gonna evade the draft......and if i was drafted those ****ers better whatch out cause there's a bullet for all of them from me.....the american goverment is full of coruption anyway not to mention others around the world aswell.....fight the power i say......im gonna go celebrate for my first reply ever
*pulls out a cake and candles*

Now I know why I'm the first! :rolleyes: :D (joke btw!)

I know... I said... ME... I would try to evade the draft... my comment about it being difficult to do so was a general comment adressing the current topic flow of the thread! :rolleyes: Bless ya!

Ooooh cake! Nice!

*gives a slice of cake to claire bear*

anyway i dont really have anything else to say now.......yep absolutly nothing.....ah ha yep.....and so no one thinks im spaming off topic "screw georege bush,down with the goverment".....there we go

The joke is old? I thought I just made it up...

It was a common joke from WW2... I've seen it in a Year5 History text... under "moral" or summit...

It was also very predictable.. but me forgive you! :kiss:

Now... Weapons of mass destruction? Any thoughts? Anyone?

Would it be "morale"? Since telling jokes to make light of a situation would fall under that catagory...