PA, did you not just read what I posted? 60 percent of those POW's in that prison were civilians! 60 percent of the people in there had done nothing wrong! And even if they all had, that still doesn't justify what happened in that prison. The law is what takes care of criminals...not individuals taking the law into their own hands.

*hopes he's on the good list*

-oddguy

'Here's your proof, Jacob.'

Yes, but may i ask why no other stations/papers are stating such shtuffs [to my knowledge anyway]? Surely woman and children being raped/tortured would be far worse than a few men? And thus would get more press coverage.

'Doesn't that just disgust you?'

Not really, i must be really dissensitsed because i feel nothing for them. I don't really think anything that's happening to them is really that bad [the men by the by, if anything's happening to the women or children it should be stopped and the Soldiers shot].

'The law is what takes care of criminals...not individuals taking the law into their own hands.'

Although i agree with you that nothing should be happening to the civilians [if they are civilians being harmed] i disagree with you on the law thing. The law is a large system that is a bit of a bastard - and although i think that the guys who have commited crimes should have a bit of torture and humiliation inflicted on them, i also think that unless it's justified it shouldn't happen.

yes but we are more civilised and we keep to the Jeneva convension (well did till now)

What happened shouldn't of happened, but it's going to happen again in the next war we have. And the next. And the next. And all subsequent wars. Though I will say, humanity will never get along with eachother completely. There will always be someone who thinks they have a better way of doing things, and thus multiple civilisations spring up.

Or, biblically, we can blame God, in reference to the occurences at Babel.

Alcar...

PA, you're dumb all over. We shouldn't HAVE to expect things like this in war. We expect every single one of our soldiers to act responsibly and humanly. If you think, "Well, that's too bad. We expect things like this to happen anyway," then you're condoning it. Condoning actions like those is almost as bad as committing them yourself.

I did not say what happened in those prisons was justified.

What I really said and I honestly wish you stop putting words in my mouth that those POW's are also criminals of war. And I also stated that this should not be new to anybody this type of thing happens unfortuanately during wars.

I am not condoneing it I think its sick. And thankyou for calling me dumb!

'I think its sick'

The photo's that i've seen are far from sick. Degrading, yes. Sick, no. Believe me, if i was in the same mindset as the Soldiers and i got a chance to do something to some random Arab, i'd do something a lot more disturbing than strip them naked, put a sack on their head and take a few little photo's.

Some random Arab? Yes, those people are under a lot of stress and have lost friends in combat, but they are not all after revenge towards the Arabs as a people. To say if you were in their position, you would love to do aweful things to any Arab bad or good is just ignorant racisim. The mindset of the soldiers is not as disturbed as you seem to think. I truly hope I misread your intentions.

I get the feeling you didnt.

'To say if you were in their position, you would love to do aweful things to any Arab bad or good is just ignorant racisim. The mindset of the soldiers is not as disturbed as you seem to think. I truly hope I misread your intentions.'

By "random Arab" i, sooo obviously, meant "random bad Arab" as in, one who has been put in jail for a genuine reason. *Tuts* You Hetero's, always misreading the obvious.

never mind

Why aren't the news covering this? I'll sum it up in 6 words: It makes America look like garbage. I've seen the videotapes of Iraqis tortures and raped. Its there. Everybody is covering it. And paramite abe, you are an asshole for saying these people deserved it. They were women, children, and people totally removed from terrorism. Over 60 percent were selected randomly. This makes Tailhook look like a tea party and heads should roll. Specifically that ape bush and his toadies Cheney and Rumsfeld. Also, considering how outraged we were over 9-11 just think how Iraqis must feel after learning that the liberators were raping prisoners. Considering how far beyond sane you have to be to actually consider someone as less than human so that you can rape and emotionally scar them without remorse this easily puts this scandal on par with 9-11. The entire war is basically Retribution for 9-11: Redux. The soldiers probably bought into all the propaganda and believed they were getting back at Hussein. Hell, they probably thought forced oral sex and other tortures of "raghead scum" were completely called for and as wholesome as apple pie.

Finally somebody listens to me when it comes to the "60 percent were civilians" thing. I appreciate that very much, Statikk.

-oddguy

[QUOTE=Statikk HDM]Why aren't the news covering this? I'll sum it up in 6 words: It makes America look like garbage.QUOTE]

There is actually a rather large saturation of the networks here with those images. You won't be able to turn on the news for more than five minutes without seeing the pics.

'Why aren't the news covering this? I'll sum it up in 6 words: It makes America look like garbage.'

Yes, i can understand why the American press won't cover it. They even put the actual photo documentation of humiliated Iraqi's in the middle of their papers instead the front page like the British papers did. Which is my point, the American press may be complete wankers who like to hide/shy away from the truth. But if a story this big is floating around, the British newspapers will be circling it like Sharks...and i find it surprising that none of the papers have actually reported the rapes and beatings of women and children.

'I've seen the videotapes of Iraqis tortures and raped. Its there.'

And where exactly is "there"? Surely if you can see them the worlds press must be able to see them. And since, practically all, the press and tabloids loathe America they would be more than happy to publicise this. How the Hell did you see them?

Has anyone else on the forums heard about the rapes and beatings of women and children? Or seen photographs of such acts? If so, can you please state where please.

Oh, and on a completly seperate issue - the Silver Ring Thing group is coming to the UK. Can someone who knows the SRT please tell them to f*ck off since we don't want any of their shite over here, thanks.

There are pics of the raping of Iraqi women on Bartcop. Tons of other sites are also starting to publicize the killing of 3000 Afghanis. "Suspected" terrorists who were slaughtered in sweatboxes. The video is huge though, so unless you have a good connection I wouldn't bother. More and more pics and videos are surfacing every day and Congress will get to view all of the pictures and videos of torture. So this isn't over by a long shot because what the mainstream press is getting is by far the less dark and disturbing of the evidence. Here is where photos have been showed of raped Iraqi women. This also has good links to places where you can download the videos showing the slaughter of Afghan prisoners. www.bartcop.com/1304.htm
You think this has gotten a lot of coverage? Then why don't people have a clue that these tactics were reccomended to get information out of "suspected" terrorists? This will be covered just like Camp X-ray: A few photos and talks about how bad it is but then some other freak will put on a show or some other aberration will distract the people. "Oh, Rummy just got fired and Celebrity X did some freaky shit? Oh, I suppose no more abuse will occur. Hey, turn on Court TV and lets watch a famous person's scandalous slide to oblivion!"