digustings scenes indeed...
very strong images

I'm just going to take your guys word for it and not watch the video. :)

-oddguy

im also going to show you the real truth of how lab animals are treated-I really need u all to see this-i was in tears over this.http://www.huntingdonsucks.com/

No actually, PETA is one of the best organizations there is. I am part of SHAC(stop Huntingdon animal cruelty), NAVS(National anti-vivisection society) and ALF(animal liberation front)-these groups are all in connection with PETA too and I don't reallty think PETA is radical-if only you had seen what I had seen.

alf... how funny...
anyway do NOT dubble post! or you will get a warning.
use the Edit button please

No, I'm sorry, I'm not having this. The only part of this thread that belongs in General Discussion is the observation that the species name 'Vykkers' is derived from 'Vivisection'. The main topic here is strictly Earth-based, and hence you can talk about in off-topic along with the McDonald's threads and so forth.

The fact that Oddworld is about expressing such activities is also irrelevant. Oddworld is a parody of Earth, and hence almost all of its material is derived from something in our world.

*moves*

But with more twisted oddess to it. Oddworld shows what could happen to our world.
e.g.Gabbits almost extincted. Meeches are extinced, but more for eating that testing.

Hey, when i go to oddworld dicussion on this thread, i end up in off-topic.
I'll said before and i'll say it again .Strange...

That's because I moved the topic there and left a link in GD so people could find it.

PETA has stated repeatedly that their goal is "total animal liberation." This means no pets, no meat, no milk, no zoos, no circuses, no fishing, no leather, and no animal testing for lifesaving medicines.


PETA has given tens of thousands of dollars to convicted arsonists and other violent criminals.


PETA funds the misnamed Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine 3, an animal-rights organization that presents itself as an unbiased source for nutritional information and has links to a violent animal-rights group called SHAC.


PETA has used their contributors’ tax-exempt donations to fund the North American Earth Liberation front, an FBI-certified “domestic terrorist” group responsible for fire bombs and death threats.


PETA regularly targets kids as early as elementary school with anti-meat and anti-milk propaganda.


PETA spends less than one percent of its $13 million budget actually caring for animals.


PETA has repeatedly attacked groups like the March of Dimes, the Pediatric AIDS Foundation, and the American Cancer Society, for conducting animal testing to find cures for birth defects and life-threatening diseases.

Sounds pretty radical to me. I mean, they support people who bomb research labs. That isn't cool with me at all. And read this rediculous article.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115108,00.html

-oddguy

I have more proof that PETA and all groups connected to it are corrupt and radical.

Well you learn something new everyday, but it should have a more gruelsome title to warn some people.

Erm, you seem to have a ****ed up U.

EDIT: Just, ignore me. ****s sake.....

[Offtopic] Ferill: The u has to be fucked up, otherwise it gets filtered. Well I suppose I could fuck up any letter to get it through the filter. But who gives a fuck eh?

[Ontopic] Despite being a pacafist, I have nothing against animal testing. As long as it can help protect the lives of humans I'm for it. I'm probably going to get flamed for this, so I think I'll run now.

Ah, thank you dear homeless friend.

[Go me and my stylish usage of 'boi'. Oh yeh. Whoo!!] This quote just amused me, quite amusing really.

I will not look at any of the links you posted. I know I couldn't handle it.

I think animal testing is a cruel cruel thing. However, it is a necessary evil. I have a good friend who has epilepsy. She wouldn't be here if it weren't for animal testing. Same thing with my sister, she has diabetes.

Animal testing for cosmetics? BAD. PETA? Also bad. They are radicals. They would have everyone release their pets into the wild (PETA believes keeping animals for companionship is cruel treatment of animals).

Many animals based products are used to power your homes and businesses. Peta have no chance.

I agree that animal testing for cosmetics is unnecessary. I do believe that animal testing for science is okay. I don't need to know what happens to the animals for research...if AIDS is cured then it's no big deal.

-oddguy

Well-all of you are wrong. When anti-hyperactivity drugs were tested in cats and dogs, it made them over-hyper and excited. Cats and dogs have not much in common with humans as their metabolism is much faster and they have different reactions to humans. Maybe SHAC is violent and I am 100% behind them as Huntingdon is well known in UK and USA and they need to be closed down. After that, we a re moving on to Elan, Yamanouchi, SmithKlineBeecham, Eisai and anyone that has labs for animal testing. Even, stockbrokers are saying 'Elan and Huntingdon are teetering and a few more campaigns are surely going to end it for them'. Also, the smoke grenade attacks were in my eyes, fanatastic-we are gonna bring those ****ing shitheads down and animal testing is going to decrease> and all of you people are not part of an animal rights group and I know more details than you and you are all wrong when you say 'animal testing help science'-search up the Lord Dowding Fund-they are one of the largest pharmaceutical groups and do NIT test on animals-we are a modern world-surely we can find replacements, it's NOt impossible and never was.

Sorry.

-oddguy

Don't take away the guy's only feeling of importance Oddguy, It takes someone dumb to do something cool, that's why it's cool. But I must admit you are going Kaichi-crazy, relax, Oddguy made a point, now shutup!

'You are very weird. Why do you even try? Animal testing will always exist. You're just wasting your time and looking like a radical nut at the same time. Wow.'

Lol, well that's the pot calling the Kettle black. I say something along those lines to you [concerning Religion of course] and suddenly you're all "Oh, but i'm right. Yeh, i am, i know i am. Yeh, i'm not a radical...no, i just know the truth." and then you go and ridicule somebody elses belief. I'm thinking of a word right now, it ends with 'critical' and begins with a large, rounded animal mainly found in Africa...that's not an Elephant.

And i don't see why everybody is saying he's a wacko and shtuffs. Okay, so he supports PETA, big deal? So what that he's actually bothered to take the time to do some research. We are a modern society and we should at least look into new methods of medical research, especially since animals are so far apart from humans. I still think we should experiment on Paedophiles and people on death row etc.

But to all the people mocking him and ridiculing him, i suggest you look at your own beliefs first before you criticise others. Especially if they're alot less believable than his, which lets face it, they are.

PETA is a violent radical group that has ties to terrorist activity and promotes violence to humans that test on animals. I love and respect animals, but I don't take it to extremes. Sure, I'd love for alternatives to animal testing to be found, but realistically it won't happen. Maybe in the far future...maybe.

Now, I happen to be religious. Do I support violent groups? No. PETA sure does and the evidence is open to those with a clear thinking mind. Christ's focus was on loving one another and being a good person. Following someone like that doesn't make me crazy at all. Now, I am am guilty of not respecting someone eles's belief system and I appologize. Here's what is wrong though. Trying to prevent violence by causing it is not the way. PETA does this. They are also very pushy in trying to convince others to think their way. Jacob, of all people I know you HATE groups that impose their way of thinking upon others.

Some Christian groups are guilty of this as well. Religions can be pushy and I'm disgusted by that. I'm also disgusted by people commiting crimes because 'God told them to do it.' Thou shall not kill! Hello?!

Everyone is right in their own mind, so Jacob..to yourself, you are right. Mudokon is right in his own mind. I am right as well. Everyone just go on with your ways and I won't bug you. I appologize for insulting you mudokon. And anyone else I have insulted, may I appologize to you as well. I'm not perfect, but I try.

-oddguy

'Trying to prevent violence by causing it is not the way.'

Technically that's how the Suffragettes won a vote for the female population. They were called radicals and extremists. They were called dangerous and out of their mind. But they changed the future for the better.

Now, i'm not saying i support everything the PETA does. But they have a valid point. Yeh, they are a bit crazed and yes, we all would be a bit f*cked if we didn't test on animals but at the end of the day they're really not doing anybody else any major harm, are they?

It seems to me the PETA resemble Christians on a certain standpoint. Whereas PETA protest about the killing of animals and how inhumane it is and such. Showing violent images and video footage and attacking people who work there. Certain Christians dictate that Abortion is wrong. They say its murder and show foul footage of Foetus' and such like. Hanging around outside Abortion clinics, taking photographs of women who are, not only immensly stressed, but going to get Abortions. And it's not unheard of to see a Christian attacking an Abortion clinic Surgeon.

'Jacob, of all people I know you HATE groups that impose their way of thinking upon others.'

Yeh, i dislike it. And i think PETA bascially exploit tortured animals for their own means, much like the medical staff who work on them. But i also think it's completly out of order to call somebody weird when they are defending a modern day issue that is with us everyday. And then say they have gone over the top when they display their knowledge of research [not you, but some other random person i think].

'When anti-hyperactivity drugs were tested in cats and dogs, it made them over-hyper and excited.'

That's just one drug though. Animals have helped medical sciences. Cholera for instance. That was cured because of Chickens. Those lil' rascals.

''animal testing help science'-search up the Lord Dowding Fund-they are one of the largest pharmaceutical groups and do NOT test on animals'

Yeh, but maybe, because they are the largest pharmaceutical company, is the reason why they don't need to use animals. Maybe if the other groups got enough money they'd be able to buy technology that would mean they didn't have to experiment on animals. But the way your animal rights groups are going, your costing them more money and thus hindering your cause.

I do feel though that until you get somebody independant saying something, you can't believe it. Mainly because propaganda will probably be used by both sides.

I'm glad you say 'Certain Christians,' because I for one don't protest outside of abortian clinics. I believe that people have the right to do whatever they like, even if I disagree...I'm going to let people make their own descisions. There have been cases of radical Christians attacking abortion clinics and even abortian doctors. Violence is what Jesus himself was very much against. I don't know how anybody could say they're a Christian and act out viloence against another human being.

-oddguy

I havnt been following this topic realy close, but I read it quike and saw a lot of stuff about when to agree and when not to.

Animal testing in general is wrong. For cosmetics and (depending on) science. Cuz whats science exactly? Testing new kinds of steroids on animals is cruel, testing medicine against aids and cancer is good. But on the other side the animals should have a normal place to life in. Not a 1 by 1 cage.

PETA creates violence because it has been around for 25 years and has created a difference. Huntingdon and Elan are not cooperating and will soon be finished and Huntingdon does the testing for most of the products you use today becasue the supplier company actually deosn't want to do it themselves-why is that? because they find it distressing, wrong, unethical, cruel? These comapnies use Huntingdon; Procter and Gamble, Fructis, garnier, Neutrogena, Clarins, Fashion Fair, Shiseido, L'oreal pretty much most brands for household cleaners, cosmetics and etc...Tesco (own brand), Co-op(own Brand) and Sainsbury's(own brand) are all agains animal testing and operate FCOD licenses so they are safe.

So you admit to being a part of an orginization that is violent?

I respect other's beliefs, but I for one would not support PETA...ever.

-oddguy

Same here oddguy, they are extremists, over-the-top radicals who lose site of the importance of humans in their quest to protect animals. Not cool.

Oh, put a sock in it. Who said humans are more important than animals. If we were all put on this Earth together then maybe we are all equal. Humans are no more important than animals. At the end of the day, animals have been here for hundreds of millions of years more than us and compared to the time they've spent on this Earth, us humans haven't even been here for a second. HUMANS AND ANIMALS ARE EQUAL...NONE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE OTHER!

Well technically Humans and Animals arnt equal, Animals cant vote.

And to carry on from Ferill's oh-so-good point(!)

'HUMANS AND ANIMALS ARE EQUAL...NONE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE OTHER!'

No animal is equal to the other. The Worm is unequal to the Bird. The Bird unequal to the Cat. The Cat to the Dog. And the Dog, well, to the Koreans and Chinese. If a Tiger had the Brain capacity and the means, he/she would probably create contraptions to help it with civilisation. That's what we're doing. Although i still think that Paedophiles should be used instead of Animals.

Put it this way at least the natural world has balance.

Wow! What a funny joke! The world has balance? That's strange...so I suppose that is why we have nearly extinct species, extinct species, animal conservation and nature conservation units. Do research before you say rubbish!

Yes all of which is caused by us I assure you I do my research.

Holy Schmoly! Thats Horrible!!
 

Ugh, man thats nasty... :sick:
It's more than that. It's sick and wrong!
It's cruel! It's like people think that animals don't have feelings! They can feel pain as much as any human can! :flames: :rant: :flames:

That is idiotic. Why would scientists do that to poor animals? It's inhumane, and they should be fired. The part about them 'loving the animals they expiriment on' is total bull.

Subject them to what they did to the animals, and see how quick they call out for a change in procedure.

EDIT: Woo! 900th post!

Way to Necro from almost two years ago.

Oh crap, it was that old? Sorry about that, I was reading who was online, and a guest was reading it, so I looked at it out of curiosity, and the stuff was so bad I couldn't not post.


I apologise for this, everybody. Stupid of me to do this.

Wait, don't apologise! This could spark some meaningful discussion. This was a good thread in its day.

No worries. I suppose we could try to bring it back.

Ummm... don't torture puppies? I didn't really read much of this thread.