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2. If you read my posts properly you'll find that I am trying to proper some supposable problems people have with MO. He didn't have a problem, therefore all I could do was say saomething like what I did. 3. I was using him as an example, maybe some people did find him scary when they were young. I'd think that most found him funny or 'enjoyable' at a very younger age. 4. Well i'm a bit confused, first you say you find it childish for a creature known as a Slig to call you "Fart breath" but then you go and say that it's funny if a sprite does it, that just sounds like your letting others opinions get to you and make you want to dislike something that isn't all that bad. 5. I haven't dismissed anyone's opinions, i've tried exceptionally hard to not do much with opinions. What i've done is counter some problems people have had with the game. You don't have to believe me in what i've said, afterall Danny, i'm just a childish adult, or should it be: fun loving adult? :P 6. See above on the last two sentences. 7. It appeals to a lot of people, its the non-ignorant majority of people who knew what should have been in the game who are now against it. I'd say that the people who are ignorant and bought MO and loved it are far better off. And anyway, MO has sold a lot of copies of the game. Must mean people like it? 8. How isn't MO at the moment targeted at all ages, if I remember correctly we had someone sign up from Germany who was of the age of 40 something. 9. See above, and we still have a wide variety of members. 10. Most of them are in their early teens. :
2. They sure do target the games at all ages. :
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Quit arguing; why take so much time trying to proove someone wrong or stupid?
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I'll say it again, this topic was to air some problems with the game notice the topic's title. I know quite a few people that are feed up with the bitchin that is going on about MO. Do you know what? Go off to the stupid ezboard and make yourselves an MO hate forum, so maybe the people who like MO can have themselves a good time at the ODDWORLD forums.
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2. I'm not going to explain it again. 3. I knew it was sarcasm, and you reacted as i thought you would. You see different people can perceive things in many different ways. Take MO for example, you've perceived it as being childish. Others perceive it as being non-childish. 4. This is what salty pretzils posted: "I think that making the change to 3D wasn't such a great idea myself." Thats is his/her opinion. 5. When i posted this topic i was at first chatting with Justin about if i should post it, as both myself and him knew that these kind of remarks would be made, obviously i chose to post it. I am not trying to convince people im right, you have a choice to believe me. I see that all your opinions are valid, but some things members say are outrageous. And i am thinking otherwise. 6. What i am saying is that maybe if the older members were ignorant of the fact that many things were tahen out that they might have liked what is in the game and not dwell on what could have been. 7. Most of the newbies who join dont even post, or dont even put down their age or birthday, how can you be sure. 8. Early teens. 9. There were still children joining up on the old ezboard forums, and even at the Ubb. Does this suggest AO and AE also have child attracting qualities. :
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The reason the bitchers stay on the forums is that they are hoping ME will meet the expections MO did not. If anyone didn't like MO here they would have left or been banned ages ago.
You know as well as everyone else that members from OWI visit these forums...(Hi Alf!) to see what we think. That's why we bitch about the things we see are wrong...so they know and work to make the next game better. If we didn't bitch, moan, and groan about the faults they would keep using the things we didn't like. Result: we stop playing their games. So what would you want us to do? Keep quiet about our dislikes? That would make the forum a boring place IMO. We all have different opinions...and as long as those opinions don't degrade and/or insult anyone...they are free to be expressed. If peeps have a problem with others opinions...they have the right not to read them. Sorry if I was confrontational there...but your first paragraph got my goat with its tone... |
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AO and AE attracted a wide variety of ages. That includes children. MO attracts almost (note again the lack of the sweeping generalisation that you like to pretend I am making) exclusively children. See the difference there? Now, so as to prevent the side-arguments from continuing, I will provide you with a brief summary of the arguments I have put forward in this topic that are directly connected with the discussion, so that you can reply to this instead of the whole paragraphs: 1. MO attracts mostly children, as opposed to AO and AE, which attracted a wide variety of age groups. 2. This is because a) the game's humour is infantile toilet humour rather than sophisticated satire, and b) cartoony graphics are used, rather than dark, believable, gothic landscapes. 3. It can therefore be assumed that MO has been targeted at a lower age range than the previous games. 4. This is what has put off the more mature fans. Okay? This is my argument. Nothing to do with anything being left out of the game. That is somebody else's argument. |
I think Alcar's initial plan backfired... He seemed to be under the idea that every one hated MO because they left out things that were going to be in it, it was on x-box, etc... So he was trying to set people straight, giving them dignified answers. But now he sees that people are disappointed in it for other reasons too, he is rather helpless. So, he just says "That's just your opinion" to just about every thing people say... And also, I didn't really even know about the things that were cut out... I don't follow news updates about OW and the like.
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2. What allows you to decide what is infatile toilet humour? Like i've said, others would percieve it differently. 3. Nope. 4. Some of them. I understand that, but other people have those other arguments. :
2. So there proves one of my earlier points in some other post, not all people hated the game for it not having certain things in it. 3. I never said you should leave the OWF forums completely, your twisting my words. I said if people don't like MO, they should start a seperate MO hate forum somewhere. You could still come here and post, as i never said leave the OWF. 4. I created the topic for problems to be put to rest. |
I don't think anyone here hates MO, just disappointed with it. BIG difference. And as I said in my last post (which you seemed to have ignored...not saying you did...) peeps that didn't like OW and/or MO would not have lasted long here (because they would have been either banned or left on their own).
Besides..we already know the reasons OWI did this or that with what we don't like...but that doesn't stop us from voicing our opinions about it...so they can hear them. Edit: Problems CAN'T be put to rest...not in MO at least. The problems with MO are there to stay. That's why we voice our opinions so OWI doesn't make the same mistakes with ME and the future OW games. |
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2. The thing is, that you can only truly clear up the reason things were left out... and you can explain why it moved to x-box... And if people don't complain about those, then there's no point. You'd have to change opinions/someone's way of viewing things. 3. Wow, sounded like you wanted to make it clear that we were really in the way of people who liked MO's having fun, so we should leave.. Not only that, but you said it in quite a hostile manner... 4. Yeah, but people have to bitch about the problems so that you can put them to rest... |
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2. I understand that, but some of the problems people have with the game are not understandable. 3. Everyone with problems, if you want to put them to good use and not be nagged by saying them please go to this topic and contribute: http://www.oddworldforums.net/forums...&threadid=5165 |
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1: I am still here because I am hoping ME will be better and have all the things that were going to be in MO in it. (Not to mention all the friends I have made here.) I am sure a good percentage of those that didn't like MO are staying for the same reasons. 2: Such as? 3: Would...but by now all my concerns would have been voiced... |
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So, i haven't played MO and yet ive heard alot of bad press etc off the people here (Who, i actually believe more than the true gaming reviewers (Oh the shame)) But im still gonna buy it. Also, Alcar, toilet humour is something related to the toilet in an attempt to be funny...breaking wind is usually done in the lavatory and thus is connected to the toilet. Merely adding 'Breath' is a pure attempt to make it laughable...which its not. Also, Danny is not 'Pulling my strings' he said "Should do" and i said "Try to" he merely reminded me that they should be focusing their games to the teen factor since many teens are the reason AO & AE was so popular. And Alcar...dance. |
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Halo has sold over a million copies...MO has not...but AO and AE has...hmmmmmm..
If a game causes this much controversy, about wether its good or bad...obviously its not great. ME will be better....After reading this topic All I have to say now is "WOW".....:eek: |
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The irony
Alright, I will plainly admit that I have not played MO, so I can't comment on it. I could easily formulate an opinion about the game from what I have read here, but heresay is a poor substitute for first hand experience.
My problem with MO, not having played the game, is precisely that it is exclusively on the X-Box. But this is not because I am disgruntled that I have to buy an X-Box in order to play the game. My reasons are different entirely. Let me explain... The first two games were a commentary on the world and the way it is run. Sure, gross exagerations were used in order to get the point across and the familiar planet earth we recognize was warped almost out of recognition, but the message was there nonetheless. AO and AE made clear anti-capitalist statements. A modern analogue to the games would be a Native American with a terrible factory job blowing up manufactering plants and breweries while getting in touch with his shamanistic roots. And then, Oddworld Inhabitants signs a contract with Microsoft, the modern evil empire of big business, a company devoted to wiping out the competition by any means necessary and making as much money as possible. If the first two games had different themes (ie. you are a slig who has to stop mutinous mudokons who are kidnapping, torturing, and killing your glukkon bosses), I wouldn't have given the development a second thought. But Microsoft is a company that embraces one of the very values that AE and especially AO so bitterly condemned. Therefore, no matter how faithful MO is to the message Oddworld sent with its first two games, it is ultimately a sham. If Greenpeace started accepting donations from irresponsible logging companies, they would not be taken seriously anymore. Similiary, the Oddworld games have lost their poignancy, their depth. While they once made bold statements with far-reaching implications, now they are just diversions for those with some spare time on their hands. And that, Alcar, is why I am disgruntled with MO. P.S. This may be old news, but I have not been in touch with developments in the world of Odd, and thus for me it is a new issue. If someone has already said the same thing I apologize. |