Erm...to put a point to Danny's remark Ronald McDonald isn't targetted at Teens and/or Adults. It is targetted at the babies and the simple of mind. OWI basically targets their games at all ages.

...or should do...

...or try to

1. To proper something is just like saying to fix something. Supposable is deffinately a word, look them up in a dictionary.

2. If you read my posts properly you'll find that I am trying to proper some supposable problems people have with MO. He didn't have a problem, therefore all I could do was say saomething like what I did.

3. I was using him as an example, maybe some people did find him scary when they were young. I'd think that most found him funny or 'enjoyable' at a very younger age.

4. Well i'm a bit confused, first you say you find it childish for a creature known as a Slig to call you "Fart breath" but then you go and say that it's funny if a sprite does it, that just sounds like your letting others opinions get to you and make you want to dislike something that isn't all that bad.

5. I haven't dismissed anyone's opinions, i've tried exceptionally hard to not do much with opinions. What i've done is counter some problems people have had with the game. You don't have to believe me in what i've said, afterall Danny, i'm just a childish adult, or should it be: fun loving adult? :P

6. See above on the last two sentences.

7. It appeals to a lot of people, its the non-ignorant majority of people who knew what should have been in the game who are now against it. I'd say that the people who are ignorant and bought MO and loved it are far better off. And anyway, MO has sold a lot of copies of the game. Must mean people like it?

8. How isn't MO at the moment targeted at all ages, if I remember correctly we had someone sign up from Germany who was of the age of 40 something.

9. See above, and we still have a wide variety of members.

10. Most of them are in their early teens.

1. When i first posted about Ronald McDonald, I was implying that he was targeted at children. I never said it was targeted at Adults or teens.

2. They sure do target the games at all ages.

1. Simple, they do.

1. Ah, Jacob i see you changed your view-point on it as soon as Danny came in and said something. I hope Danny isn't the one pulling your strings.

You're right about Supposable, but Proper can only be an Adjective, Noun, or Adverb, not a Verb. Sorry.

Using your definition of "proper" (since the real one isn't a verb), this roughly translates as "I am trying to fix some problems people have with MO". There are two ways of doing that: 1) Change MO; and 2) Change people's opinions. You can't do 1), but you claim to not do 2), when in fact it is exactly what you are doing...

Okay, I know sarcasm is difficult to read into text, but come on, that was obvious! I said "ha ha ha, whee!", for crying out loud, and you still took me seriously...

Every time anybody says anything, you respond with "That is your opinion", and use that as an excuse to not address what they are saying.

"Counter some problems"? You have tried to convince people that you are right and they are wrong. Don't try and pretend otherwise.

So you are saying that I don't find the term "Fart Breath" funny because I knew about things that OWI eventually cut out of the game? I don't see how knowing that Sam and Meetles and things should have been in the game has any bearing on whether or not I find childish humour amusing...

If you look at what I actually said, you will see that I said that the "vast majority" of the newbies are children, not that all of them are. Of course there are exceptions, but you can't use them to disprove a trend.

They are prepubescent, and so are children.

Then why are the *ahem* vast majority of the newbies who have joined since MO was released children?

Quit arguing; why take so much time trying to proove someone wrong or stupid?

Because it's fun? :D

Anyway, it's not exactly time-consuming...

I'll say it again, this topic was to air some problems with the game notice the topic's title. I know quite a few people that are feed up with the bitchin that is going on about MO. Do you know what? Go off to the stupid ezboard and make yourselves an MO hate forum, so maybe the people who like MO can have themselves a good time at the ODDWORLD forums.

1. People over here use it as a verb as well. Who am I to blame if i'm to use it, i can't be polictically correct all the time. ;)

2. I'm not going to explain it again.

3. I knew it was sarcasm, and you reacted as i thought you would. You see different people can perceive things in many different ways. Take MO for example, you've perceived it as being childish. Others perceive it as being non-childish.

4. This is what salty pretzils posted: "I think that making the change to 3D wasn't such a great idea myself." Thats is his/her opinion.

5. When i posted this topic i was at first chatting with Justin about if i should post it, as both myself and him knew that these kind of remarks would be made, obviously i chose to post it. I am not trying to convince people im right, you have a choice to believe me. I see that all your opinions are valid, but some things members say are outrageous. And i am thinking otherwise.

6. What i am saying is that maybe if the older members were ignorant of the fact that many things were tahen out that they might have liked what is in the game and not dwell on what could have been.

7. Most of the newbies who join dont even post, or dont even put down their age or birthday, how can you be sure.

8. Early teens.

9. There were still children joining up on the old ezboard forums, and even at the Ubb. Does this suggest AO and AE also have child attracting qualities.

1. The bitchin' must stop.

1. It's time consuming for me, just look at how big my posts can get! :D

So if people don't like MO, they're not allowed to like Oddworld? Besides, I only come here for the people here. What's wrong with that?

Now I'm confused... Who brought up political correctness?

You didn't explain it the first time...

Then why the hell did you pretend you didn't see it was sarcasm?

Those "others" are almost invariably (note the word "almost" in there, before you leap on me) children themselves.

But everything you have posted is your opinion as well. What's the difference?

I wasn't dwelling on what could have been. I didn't even mention what could have been. All I was talking about was the immaturity of the humour.

We have to make the assumption that those who do stay are a representative slice of all those who join. We find that most of those are children. Therefore, we can make the statistical assumption that most of those who join are children. Clear?

Yes. Children.

Please listen to what I am saying:

AO and AE attracted a wide variety of ages. That includes children.

MO attracts almost (note again the lack of the sweeping generalisation that you like to pretend I am making) exclusively children.

See the difference there?

Now, so as to prevent the side-arguments from continuing, I will provide you with a brief summary of the arguments I have put forward in this topic that are directly connected with the discussion, so that you can reply to this instead of the whole paragraphs:

1. MO attracts mostly children, as opposed to AO and AE, which attracted a wide variety of age groups.

2. This is because a) the game's humour is infantile toilet humour rather than sophisticated satire, and b) cartoony graphics are used, rather than dark, believable, gothic landscapes.

3. It can therefore be assumed that MO has been targeted at a lower age range than the previous games.

4. This is what has put off the more mature fans.

Okay? This is my argument. Nothing to do with anything being left out of the game. That is somebody else's argument.

I think Alcar's initial plan backfired... He seemed to be under the idea that every one hated MO because they left out things that were going to be in it, it was on x-box, etc... So he was trying to set people straight, giving them dignified answers. But now he sees that people are disappointed in it for other reasons too, he is rather helpless. So, he just says "That's just your opinion" to just about every thing people say... And also, I didn't really even know about the things that were cut out... I don't follow news updates about OW and the like.

Just because we didn't like MO as much as the others doesn't mean that we don't have the right to stay at the OW forums and post. (without flaming and spamming, of course...) It makes me sick that you'd be such an ass to say something like this. And Alcar... if you hadn't noticed... you made this topic, a topic for people to come in to and bitch about MO. :|

1. You can't know that for sure, there are many more thousands of people who have bought MO, and just haven't signed up. You can't judge it on this forums population ages.

2. What allows you to decide what is infatile toilet humour? Like i've said, others would percieve it differently.

3. Nope.

4. Some of them.

I understand that, but other people have those other arguments.

1. Pah! Backfied! In your dreams! I knew it wasn't just because of the switch to the X-box or things they left out, there were many more things people had complained about.

2. So there proves one of my earlier points in some other post, not all people hated the game for it not having certain things in it.

3. I never said you should leave the OWF forums completely, your twisting my words. I said if people don't like MO, they should start a seperate MO hate forum somewhere. You could still come here and post, as i never said leave the OWF.

4. I created the topic for problems to be put to rest.

I don't think anyone here hates MO, just disappointed with it. BIG difference. And as I said in my last post (which you seemed to have ignored...not saying you did...) peeps that didn't like OW and/or MO would not have lasted long here (because they would have been either banned or left on their own).
Besides..we already know the reasons OWI did this or that with what we don't like...but that doesn't stop us from voicing our opinions about it...so they can hear them.

Edit: Problems CAN'T be put to rest...not in MO at least. The problems with MO are there to stay. That's why we voice our opinions so OWI doesn't make the same mistakes with ME and the future OW games.

1. Well, it sure as hell seems to have backfired... after all, you haven't really gotten to clear up any thing about the problems with MO, or changed any one's opinions.

2. The thing is, that you can only truly clear up the reason things were left out... and you can explain why it moved to x-box... And if people don't complain about those, then there's no point. You'd have to change opinions/someone's way of viewing things.

3. Wow, sounded like you wanted to make it clear that we were really in the way of people who liked MO's having fun, so we should leave.. Not only that, but you said it in quite a hostile manner...

4. Yeah, but people have to bitch about the problems so that you can put them to rest...

1. Well your still here, and so are the others.

2. I understand that, but some of the problems people have with the game are not understandable.

3. Everyone with problems, if you want to put them to good use and not be nagged by saying them please go to this topic and contribute: http://www.oddworldforums.net/forums...&threadid=5165

1. Hey, wait now... She said that people who hated OW would have left. We don't hate OW/MO, we were just disappointed with MO, that's all. Actually, I think someone who even HATED MO could still stay here and like OW.

Ok;

So, i haven't played MO and yet ive heard alot of bad press etc off the people here (Who, i actually believe more than the true gaming reviewers (Oh the shame)) But im still gonna buy it. Also, Alcar, toilet humour is something related to the toilet in an attempt to be funny...breaking wind is usually done in the lavatory and thus is connected to the toilet. Merely adding 'Breath' is a pure attempt to make it laughable...which its not.

Also, Danny is not 'Pulling my strings' he said "Should do" and i said "Try to" he merely reminded me that they should be focusing their games to the teen factor since many teens are the reason AO & AE was so popular.

And Alcar...dance.

I didn't say we did know that for sure, but it's a reasonable assumption that the forums are a representative slice of the Oddworld-playing population of the world. In fact, those who like oddworld but aren't on the forums are probably more likely to be younger than us than older, since it would be younger people who would have consoles but no internet access... (And no, I'm not saying that all oddworld fans with internet access are on the forums, but surely you can comprehend the point I am making here...)

And like I said, the people who percieve it differently are almost exclusively Children.

Yup.

If we had a survey asking who was pleased with MO and their age, I am prepared to bet my left liver that almost all of those who were happy with MO would be the younger fans.

Then don't argue with them having just quoted me!

Like what?

Halo has sold over a million copies...MO has not...but AO and AE has...hmmmmmm..

If a game causes this much controversy, about wether its good or bad...obviously its not great.

ME will be better....After reading this topic All I have to say now is "WOW".....:eek:

Considering that only about five people have actually participated actively in this thread, you can't tell if these people stand for many unsatisfied buyers or just a few who decided to exppress their problems with the game. Some of these people haven't even played the game. I thought MO was great, but I'm sure ME will be even better.:) :)

P.S. Why does your avater and banner say Brew Master when you have Phleg on them.

Phleg looks cooler than him, maybe he took over the brewery after Brew Master...becoming the new Brew Master! Plus Phleg has 3 times the Flavor. Lately I've been drinking SObE like a crack fiend, I think the SObE drink is actually very good! Anyway many members of this Forum have names that don't match their avatar. Plus I think a new Brew Master joined recently thats using the true Avatar.:fuzwink:

The irony
 

Alright, I will plainly admit that I have not played MO, so I can't comment on it. I could easily formulate an opinion about the game from what I have read here, but heresay is a poor substitute for first hand experience.

My problem with MO, not having played the game, is precisely that it is exclusively on the X-Box. But this is not because I am disgruntled that I have to buy an X-Box in order to play the game. My reasons are different entirely. Let me explain...

The first two games were a commentary on the world and the way it is run. Sure, gross exagerations were used in order to get the point across and the familiar planet earth we recognize was warped almost out of recognition, but the message was there nonetheless. AO and AE made clear anti-capitalist statements. A modern analogue to the games would be a Native American with a terrible factory job blowing up manufactering plants and breweries while getting in touch with his shamanistic roots.

And then, Oddworld Inhabitants signs a contract with Microsoft, the modern evil empire of big business, a company devoted to wiping out the competition by any means necessary and making as much money as possible. If the first two games had different themes (ie. you are a slig who has to stop mutinous mudokons who are kidnapping, torturing, and killing your glukkon bosses), I wouldn't have given the development a second thought. But Microsoft is a company that embraces one of the very values that AE and especially AO so bitterly condemned.

Therefore, no matter how faithful MO is to the message Oddworld sent with its first two games, it is ultimately a sham. If Greenpeace started accepting donations from irresponsible logging companies, they would not be taken seriously anymore. Similiary, the Oddworld games have lost their poignancy, their depth. While they once made bold statements with far-reaching implications, now they are just diversions for those with some spare time on their hands.

And that, Alcar, is why I am disgruntled with MO.

P.S. This may be old news, but I have not been in touch with developments in the world of Odd, and thus for me it is a new issue. If someone has already said the same thing I apologize.