Rettikk, why do you make these f'd up topics. they're all about how evil christianity is. and since you love pointing out the religious faults of christianty, letäs trz the same with hinuism. 3 reasons whz that religion is a piece of shit. come on, itäll be fun. And indoctrination_ I basicly see the human being making decisions everyday. If the indoctrination is so strong what about püeople who fall away. werent thez basiclly brainwashed into that religion. Iäm sick of all the christ bashing that goes on. itäs apretty peaceful religion. So lets treat all religion as evil if christianitz is bad. Or lets just stop with the religious squabbling. Take it up with a pastor. It obviously riles everyone up.

1. Wrong! I am not saying that. Where did this Bush idea came from? Nobody did not say anything about Bush.

2. Who said you did?

3. Whatever.

4. No comment.

1. Because they are intellectually stimulating, I'm sorry if that's lost on you.
2. You said it.
3. I, personally, know more about Xianity than any other religion so it's convenient.
4. I am, personally, not bashing this 'Christ' guy, I'm bashing that church for kicking out a nursery for giving children religious education.
5. Each religion should be judged on it's individual merits. Xianity shouldn't bring any 'good' religion down with it.
6. Ok then, you get the pastor.

we aren't insulting christ we're insulting the people who use him to say that they are right even though they clearly aren't, religion is not a reason and hopefully will never be.

This is terrible. All you guys are doing is making fun of each other. I was hoping this would be a mature conversation. :(

Okay, I'll take this step by step, for the hard of understanding...

1) Pinky, why are you so unable to answer simple questions? I asked "How does letting your child believe what they want mean that they are suddenly ruling over you?", and your reply was If your discussions are 'based on the issue', why do you evade any questions we ask you?

2) Nobody said that Christianity was evil. All we are saying is that children should be given the opportunity to choose their religion. It would be equally bad if Hindus or Muslims tried to indoctrinate children [which they often do]. Why are you and Pinky so opposed to giving people Freedom of Religion.

3) Let me clear one thing up. Christ was a really nice guy. He wasn't the Son of God or anything, but he was really nice to people, and was quite a good healer [whether he did it by Medicine or Faith Healing is arguable, but that he did it is probably true]. Unfortunately, his words and deeds have been twisted by 2000 years' worth of Total Bastards, and used as an excuse to treat each other like shit. I am NOT [repeat NOT] saying that all Christians are like this, for there have been many great people who have been Christians, e.g. Mother Teresa. Unfortunately, there are certain Christians who use obscure misinterpretations of Christ's words as an excuse to mistreat others [I am NOT accusing Pinky or Statikk in this]. Fundamentalist Christians also tend to have a slight right-wing slant to their beliefs. For their objections to Freedom of Religion, I tentatively include Pinky and Statikk in with that last category, but not without trepidation...

Edit: Mature Conversation? With the Forums' representatives of the Christian Right? Yeah, right...

[ December 21, 2001: Message edited by: Rettick ]

Rettick, I get what your saying but that third point was your opinion. It's not a fact. You don't know anything about christians or christiality now stop.

It's not always christians either, it's atheist too sometimes that have a a slight right-wing. Almost all people in every kind of religion does.

[ December 21, 2001: Message edited by: PinkHaired Mudokon CWR ]

Now, Rettick. That makes it sound like you were out to pick a fight when you started this topic, which I know you weren't. But I think you knew that there would be some friction between you and Pinky/Stattik.

personaly I don't care if you believe that chickens shall bring forth armagedon by plucking the eyes out of the people who are the tastiest (wing lickin' good) and those who obey the chickens before shall rule after as long as your a nice person.

Now I have a craving for some BBQ chicken! Thanks alot!

SeaRex: I admit that I knew there would be some friction, but that's what makes for interesting debate. If everybody agrees, debate is pointless. I also have a personal ambition to get a coherant argument out of Pinky... :D [j/k]

Yes, I know that that third point was just my opinion. I posted it so as to show people that I have no objection to Christianity in principle.

Now could you please respond to point 1, since that was the one that I actually directly addressed to you?

Rettik, i'm confused. What do you mean by far right. I would consider myself a bull moose republican(snickers). so what is so good about a liberal and whats so bad about a conservative.

I consider myself a Liberal, and as such, I do not like Far Right people at all, for obvious reasons...

But that's for a different debate, so let's get back to the matter at hand...

It's also partly my opinion. But the Bible is also opinion, I don't agree with most of those opinions so I don't like the Bible.
Anyway, I know a lot more about Xianity than any other religion. The same may go for Dan, I don't know.

What is Xianity Gluk Schmuck????

X=Christ,
As in Xmas

Therefore,
Xianity=Christianity.


Sorry, I didn't mean to confuzzle anyone.
*will stick to using proper words from now on*

OKEE! i got it know

Bible is not an opinion.

I actually agree with Pinky here - the Bible is Fiction, not Opinion. The Authors would have had to believe that it was true in order for it to be Opinion...