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Yeah how dare we not praise everything into high heavens? Shame on us. Constructive criticism is for traitors and commies.

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i love the train cutscene. sligs look cool with upgraded flight suits so it's actually believable that they might be able to keep up with a train in comparison to their previous flight suit designs which was basically a propeller stuck to what sounded like a two-stroke engine. now they seem like they can actually fly fast at long distances, rather than just being nimble at short distances. also, guns are cool, maybe a little 'overstated' for their size but i'm not complaining. like STM said, it reminds me of the vickers machine guns they used in aerial combat during the first world war.

i'll admit, i also found the part with Toby yelling "FASTEERR" sort of out of place, but at the same time i was instantly reminded of stereotypical Oddworld humour. it's like how they're powering a train with bottles of soulstorm brew, i just wrote it off as more Oddworld quirkiness or video game logic like a lot of you probably did too. yeah, AO and AE were darker than, say, MO, but that doesn't mean to say there was absolutely no 'silly' humour in those games. i think we just forget some things or choose to ignore them. for example, vice president Aslik. ass-lick. that's a pretty dumb name and it's not exactly realistic, yet no one seems to complain about it.

and don't forget Dripik being so dumb he forgets his own name, having to use farts while mimicking native muds because using flatulence as part of a native password is totally normal, possessing your own farts (how the fuck does that even work?) etc. there never has been an Oddworld game that's been completely serious, and their humour has always been a little quirky and 'odd', but i think at this stage that's part of their signature. SW was probably the game with the most serious overall tone.

all in all i fucking love the cutscene. train looks like a thundering juggernaut, sligs look like they just joined up with the SAS, the way the mudokons look and move really pleases me and I LOVE ALF'S HAT

tbh i've never been that crazy about the Toby character, but Alf is fucking great. much love for Alf. he's an old workhorse.

EDIT EDIT EDIT: hang on a second, are you dicks really complaining about how his fucking brows overlap his hat? fucking jesus.

1) it's a computer game. if you want that level of fucking high definition realism, watch a movie. they contain real life actors with real life facial expressions. you'll be amazed.

2) how picky do you want to be? i didn't even notice that one second of cutscene where his eyelids happened to move over the bottom of his hat. i mean, did you watch the cutscene one frame at a fucking time or something? or have you just been replaying the video over and over again since they first uploaded it to youtube? seriously, talk about petty.

3) this is just personal opinion, but he's wearing his hat at an angle near the back of his head and his eyebrows are pretty deep. by that i mean that his eyebrows stick out more than normal. the fact they stick out of his face more than normal would make it plausible that they might hide the bottom of his hat while he was pulling an extremely surprised expression. you people have already said how his eyes seemed to open wider than natural, makes sense to me that his big fat eyebrows might hide part of his hat while he made that expression. fuck me.

4) grow up. i've already typed too much shit in response to this. oddworld fans are the fucking worst. just enjoy the cutscene you insufferable fucking turds.

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says the guy who never, ever seems to have anything good to say about the newer oddworld games. how many fucking arguments have you started with OWI members here on the forums because you think you know better than the game designers? have you ever tried shutting the fuck up or making criticism that actually is constructive and not just thinly veiled chances to ridicule and micromanage their progress?

nah, of course not. because you know what's best for OWI. you know everything.

and how the fuck am i praising it into the heavens? i just pointed out a bunch of faults with this cutscene and the previous oddworld games did i not? are you fucking retarded or just looking for an argument?

you're still the same dumb cunt as when i first fucking joined. at least you're reliable in that regard.

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God, you're insufferable. Being incessantly hostile and combatative towards complete strangers on the internet is not a substitute for a personality. I've seen you complaining about and insulting pretty much everything, from minorities, to Oddworld, to people you've just met.

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Next, I imagine they end up at Necrum Mines (shown) by 'accident' (perhaps they didnt know where they were going with the train), and its there that they meet & interact with Abe.

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Also the lens dirt is something that I just don't understand.

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I don't see any problem with Havoc pointing out errors. It literally does not matter if the errors are important or if they bother you or not, it's irrelevant. Pointing them out is merely showing that they exist, and it might make for a better end product.
I don't think anybody is really that arsed about the fact that Toby's eye overlaps his hat, it's not like anybody is personally insulted, but the point is that it doesn't matter because it's an error that is obviously best pointed out than ignored.

As for his stretchy eyes, that's a bit more of a subjective issue. I mean, I can make an argument as to why this style of "humor" can be detrimental in your gritty and realistic game and why you really shouldn't have it, but ultimately what keeps a player immersed is different for everyone so I can't really call it an objective flaw, besides the fact that it's inconsistent for these characters to move in this way and it can be incredibly jarring.

So everyone, stop jumping down Havoc's throat for criticising something that you like. If you really think he's wrong, then counter it, but I know better than anyone how fucking irritating it is when you're trying to break something down and discuss something, but people can't look past the fact that you'd even dare to criticize it. Even if he has a shitty attitude, which I can't see personally, it's irrelevant . Now in this thread about Soulstorm we've got people making their first posts talking about how much they hate Havoc and all the drama they get up to in the discord. Fuck off being such babies.


Also the lens dirt is something that I just don't understand.

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I like the trailer. I like that shaman model even more.

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I'm not sure, honestly. I think they originally wanted Abe's/Mudokon's hair to be feathers in the old games, but couldn't do it due to tech constraints.

Buuuut this could might as well be a part of the mask.

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Really, though, it seems a bit hypocritical that he can criticize non-issues with an entire PR team but when I criticize a real issue with him, that's when you stop being fine with it. If he can sling shit at the PR team then I get to sling shit at him, too. It's only fair, considering he's apparently nothing but rays of sunshine. :p

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I thought it was genuinely hair? Remember the picture of Abe with long, black hair?

https://oddworldlibrary.net/archives...t/CAAO0058.jpg

It’s really technological resolution and budget, right? So when we did New ‘n’ Tasty, we didn’t really have the budget to go in and re-change all the databases, so we had the ability to take them up to a certain level where it made sense. So if you look at the cover of New ‘n’ Tasty, Abe’s ponytail was still like: “What is that? Kind of like a dirty sock.”

But Abe was always imagined as—it was talked about, you know, [Munch’s Oddysee] had Labor Eggs—[Mudokons] were descended from birds. We descended from monkeys, right; they descended from birds, so they still hatch. [The pony tail is made up of] feathers. It was always intended to be feathers because … feathers were tough. I mean we could have had a feather object instead, but it just ended up being like a limp sock and we stayed with it.

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it got pushed back another year (WHY!?!?!)

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Just... how? Is he blind?

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Oh yeah, that's why I don't come on OWF.

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Oh yeah, that's why I don't come on OWF.

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because it's not finished yet.