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Oh, well, the whole show being a coma hallucination is fucking stupid, too. Just lost all respect for both versions.
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It makes sense in context? I dunno why you’d write it off so quickly without trying it first.
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I'm not writing off the entirety of the show, but yeah, that's a fucking stupid ending. Tell a story, not a years long dream sequence that maintains continuity.
And no, him being in a coma doesn't actually make sense in any context. Dreams do not make linear sense. There is no way that he would have a dream that felt like being alive for a couple of years, maintaining relationships within it. That makes about as much as sense as, well, as him being from Mars. |
May not be realistic in any way bu the conceit worked very well in the show, I think. And the coma pay off, in the ending, was pretty good I think - even if the wee epilogue was a little cheesy.
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But, and hear me out here, you don't get to criticize someone's ending for being stupid, and farcical when your ending is stupid, and farcical.
Whether it worked as a conceit or not is debatable. What isn't debatable is the fact that it makes no sense. |
I liked the way in the end of the UK version he elects to jump of a building and go back into the coma, leaving the world of 2006 behind. It's almost like it becomes an addiction to him, better than reality. I don't think the American version really has that pay off, I can't imagine having him step out onto the fucking surface of fucking Mars would have the same impact emphasizing the emotional connection he made to the people he met in 1973.
I agree with Holy Sock that it works within the narrative of the show, even if it isn't an accurate representation of what people experience when in a coma. If you have a problem with that and don't question other aspects, like the entire premise of him being back in time, then it's not really worth watching it, or any fiction whatsoever. Suspension of disbelief. Edit: I honestly think if you'd seen the series you'd be suitably happy with the way things are tied up. It feels extremely right. |
I can promise you that I will never be happy with any show that ends by saying "GOT YOU! IT WAS ALL A DREAM! AREN'T WE CLEVER?" The only reason suspension of disbelief comes into the conversation is because the creator was bitching, saying that the new ending "beggars belief" while his own ending BEGGARS FUCKING BELIEF. I would probably be fine suspending disbelief for this ending. I would still think it was a cop out, and fucking stupid.
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Really I think you’re judging the show’s plot on the wrong criteria. It isn’t some copout that he’s in a coma; you see his life in the modern world in the first episode, see him hit by the car that sends him into his coma, and then the central conceit of the show is Sam trying to wake up from his coma while struggling to adapt to his new life and the world and people he doesn’t think are real – and growing increasingly attached to them, and sometimes wondering if his old life isn‘t the real hallucination.
The show plays with Sam’s perception of reality, but it doesn’t try to hide some kind of twist. |
Yeah.... I wouldn't like this show.
It's like the last season of Roseanne, but makes less literal sense. And I hated the last season of Roseanne. |
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Watch the American version. Maybe it's good. You'll never know until you try.
p.s. I don't think it is, but there is no good excuse for "It was all a dream." None. Not one. |
I think the important thing though, as they've said, that it doesn't feel like a spit in the face. That everything you watched was meaningless because it was a part of Sam's coma. A part of that is that it's not a sudden twist ending like in Roseanne or Dallas or whatever. It may sound like a cheat, or a stupid idea, on paper but personally it still felt like the time you spent with those characters and their relationships were meaningful and not a waste of 16 episodes.
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Oh, and guess what. The ending of the American version was a dream too.
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Well I think it worked very well for the show. All I can say is that I didn't feel betrayed by the concept and it didn't come across as a cheap twist to me personally.
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I don't think it can be called a twist at all, if it's been an obvious part of the story from episode one. I mean, the last clip I watched was literally him hearing someone talking into his unconscious ear, while he sat there in comaland, completely understanding of what it meant.
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Life on Mars and Ashes to Ashes are both fantastic, unique shows which leaves you with so much mystery and wanting more. Philip Glenister was perfect as Gene Hunt and the highlight for the whole thing for me. He really added to the setting.
Perhaps it's too British. And that's probably why I love it. But I really do ensure you that the series is great. |
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Actually I don't think it is a dream. It seems to be a place where police go when they're seriously injured and lose consciousness. Sam is not the only modern cop there, and it's the same "reality" for everyone.
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It's been a long while since I've seen it but what other cop was in the 70s reality?
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Don't say I didn't warn you.
PS: Ricky Gervais is shit. |
doctor who has never been good and I don't understand why otherwise intelligent people like it
you can't use the excuse that it's campy fun, either. Most of the time it feels dire and claustrophobic. I hate doctor who so much |
I dunno man, I loved the first and second Doctors. The old cybermen with their marigold gloves and spray painted jack boots were just amazing.
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Dr. Who is a odd show indeed. I really like it, and I get into the series. But at the same time I know it's pretty dire.
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Ah right, didn't watch Ashes to Ashes. But from what I remember wasn't an important part of Life on Mars the female lead being confronted with this idea that she was only in Sam's mind? Haven't seen it since it aired.
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