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We don't even know for certain if Judas of Iscariot went to Hell, we know he was chosen to betray the Messiah and that the scriptures had to be fulfilled. All the apostles had committed sins as well as Judas before they were picked and Judas had committed arguably one of the modest of sins.
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Wasn't there some acropoffia or whatever a few years back saying Jesus made him do it?
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For one, whether Judas believed that Jesus was actually the Messiah influences this decision. To the Romans, Jesus was essentially a potential terrorist. The Jews were known to be dangerous to them, and then they were all rallying behind some potentially dangerous leader. And also, name me a government that was not corrupt in that time period. Judas may even have been doing the right thing, turning in the anarchist who threatens the state. Certainly the Romans had good reason to want Jesus dead. Caesar did the civilisation of Rome a LOT of good. The people who assassinated him were among those he trusted most, and they probably all did it for a slice of power. The people loved Caesar - he can't have been THAT much of a bad ruler, even if he was technically a tyrant. |
You're trying to argue the betrayel of Jesus Christ wasn't the most heinous sin the world has ever seen since the end of the old testement in a book written by a religious nutjob about religion for religious people and you're saying I lack context?
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There's more to Sin and the levels of treachery than just what's in the Bible. And that's why Dante, who was no doubt a devout Christian, chose to include the betrayers of Caesar in Lucifer's left and right mouths. |
Dante's Inferno is canon?
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god is a dick |
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I think Gorepslatter's arguments for Caesar and Judas are very good, even though I obviously think it was the worst crime anyone ever committed it had to be done to cleanse humanity of its sins. I never look down on Judas for what he did, just as I never look down on Pontius Pilate. It is according to Inferno that both went to Hell if I remember correctly but Pilate never wanted to send Jesus for crucifixion and both had to fulfil their roles to kill Jesus. If they hadn't done it he would have likely been assassinated any way by the mob.
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So, Judas Priest? |
You can't eternally punish someone for playing their pre-ordained part in a cosmic plan and then pretend to be morally perfect. It takes a special kind of fool to buy that act.
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EDIT:Oh, I'm sorry. Looks like you fucking idiots are having another spirituality discussion. Please enjoy yourselves, fucking idiots. |
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Great shame.
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I am psychologically unable to be shamed by this.
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because the original idea behind this thread was so much better
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Hm...my greatest sin is...well, not for this public thread. Maybe I'll hide them in a coded message for my #1000 post. Everyone remember. I guess I can confess to petty theft. Where does that land me?
Also, are you just going to read off the circles, or actually come up with a creative and ironic punishment? |
I once stole a chewing gum when I was kid cos I forgot to pay and I was eating it right in front of the store clerk. Where does that put me?
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I wrote a book that depicts the gruesome torture of those who disobey my rules with the intent to con the gullible of their money. Where does that put me?
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Dante wrote his three codices as scientific and religious accounts but he never went on a rampage preaching about humanities sins in fact it was likely his books were sold from apothecary shops as was standard at the time. So not really a con.
Perhaps you should ask were falsely accusing people based on your own blighted interpretations would put you. |
An account is a record of something that happened. Dante made up pure fantasy and tried to sell it as religious cannon; he is a conman.
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He didn't sell it as religious canon, this is primarily signalled by the fact that the main protagonist in his story is...well himself. He never actually said that he had been to Hell and only made Allighierian Hell based on presumptions and what he perceived Hell to be like. He didn't actually say to people that this is Hell, he was even exiled for the work. Over hundreds of years however, some people believe his canto's to be truthful.
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Homer Virgil Aeschylus Plutarch Matthew Mark Luke John J. R. R. Tolkein J. K. Rowling Mary Shelley ...and many, many more, are now to be considered con artists, and their works as deceptions to take your money. Up next, is nearly every single movie ever made a con? More at eleven! |
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I don't die when I'm killed.
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I wouldn't call Dante a conman, and I'd call the Divine Comedy more of an interpretation than a pretension to religious canon.
I know very little very little about Dante's motivations behind writing, apart from a vague understanding it was politically motivated. |