Why?

Also what are people's experiences with salvia? I hear that's worth trying for a quick high but you have to be really careful of dosage.

Yep.. THe problem was we all got high. There was no unaffected person to take care of us if anything went wrong. And to make matters worse. They started cooking while high. That made my panic so much worse, cos I just wanted to sleep off my high, but I was afraid Id wake up in a burning house.

Isn't cocaine like really..... bad though? And addictive? I always considered Heroin and Cocaine to be like... For people who are tired of life. I'm probably wrong. But hard drugs like this scare me x_x

On the other hand... I planted hundreds of poppies in the nearby field of grass that never gets cut :D Im hoping to see if they contain opium. I don't think I'd actually use it except maybe for sleep aid, but I always found natural drug-plants fascinating.

I wanna grow opium poppies, salvia, morning glory flowers, water lilies and all that. Wooh.

And I wanna make Absinthe. Yea.

I had absinthe before and I was really, really, really, really, really drunk that night. I had poteen on the same night but not in as large of a dose.

I have opium poppies in my garden but we don't use them. You actually have to get opium poppies btw if you want opium, you can't just take poppy seeds spread them and then collect the reward. I think this Papaver Somniferum is what you want if you haven't planted the right type, but excuse me if the spelling is wrong.

But did it make you sick? Im wondering what the good and bad effects of Absinthe is. But it's a fascinating drink to read about.


Also STM, the seeds we had WERE opium poppies... But the seeds were quite old, so I don't think they will grow.

I mean you made it sound like it was a harmless drug like weed and mushrooms.

Oh ok sorry I mis-understood. But seed usually keep for years so you might have some luck, and those ones will spread like wild fire next year if the wind is good. Unfortunately, our ones grow in a bed with no room so we never get more than about 7 a year.

Yea but... I think the seeds may also have been sterile.. The seeds were bought in Romania so I'm not sure. But they were bread poppies(which do contain opium), but I'm hoping that Romania doesn't sterilize them. Who knows. We and my mom just got bored one day so she asked me if I wanted to spread opium poppies in the field.

Oh well... If they don't grow, I'll just buy like real seeds(meant for planting) and try again soon :D

Fair nuff.

I wonder if salvia grows well in the UK, thinking of getting some when I'm at Uni.

You can always grow Salvia Officinalis which is super-legal :) Then extract the thujone and make awesome icky-tasting absinthe! :D

Is Salvia Divinorum illegal in UK?

No, all salvia is legal in the UK at the moment and the government currently doesn't have a stance on it although lot's of people want it classed as a Grade C drug.

Also I wanna try divinorum not so worried about officinalis.

Like... Salvia Divinorum? O_O

Yeh, it's all good here.

Since it has no negative long term effects and only a small percentage of people have any negative effects, those that do generally receive only mild negative stuff like a decrease in confidence.

Salvia is hit or miss. If you can find a reputable grower, go for it. If you buy in a head shop, it's usually crap. You can buy seeds/thriving plants online and grow yourself, which is something I did for a brief time period. It's an intense trip, and definitely personal. I wouldn't recommend doing it with friends, especially in a group. If anything, I'd treat salvia like doing a significant amount of LSD. What I mean is that you should isolate yourself in a safe place [ground level] with a spotter/sitter in the next room. Some people suggest keeping the spotter in the same room, but in my experience the presence of another person, especially one who is completely sober, can be a mindfuck for the person who isn't sober and cause the trip to turn quite nasty. As long as the spotter can hear what's going on and poke their head in occasionally to make sure everything is cool, the next room is usually best.

Although I will say that I've seen several people have automatically horrible trips on salvia. It wasn't a case of mood/vibes. It was just a bad trip. I don't know. Maybe because it's more of an introspective high, or maybe they were just unprepared, but some people just can't handle it.


I always cook when I get stoned. Always. Worst thing I've ever done is burned my hand or let a pot of water boil over.

As for Coke being 'really bad', I guess so, yeah, it probably is. I've never really had any serious addictions other than cigarettes, though. When it comes to drugs I've always been able to dabble, to mess with one thing, then move onto the next for a week or so, then stop cold-turkey for a period of months or years with no ill effects. So I don't know, maybe my brain is wired differently. I know most people fall madly in love with coke. I personally always found it to be highly over hyped.

Compared to man made drugs like crank, meth, or MDMA I think coke is relatively harmless. Is it way the hell more addictive than pot and shrooms? Of course.

Well, I just hope it doesn't become illegal before I get a chance to do it, although I expect if they try to make it illegal it will take at least another decade judging by the rate people want it banned.

Oh, also after seeing American's trying to get high off nutmeg on Russell Howard's Good News I gave it a go (i.e. I did a trail of nutmeg...lol) I think it worked in that I couldn't stop laughing (more likely due to the hilarity of what I'd just done than anything). If it did work it only did for about ten seconds. Apparently you generally can get psychoactive shit from it.

The bad effects of absinthe is that it makes you sick as hell whenever you take enough of it, it's kind of like acid on your tongue as well... it just burns and I could of swore on the night I lost all sense of taste.

The good effects is that it makes you forget whatever stupid shit you did on the night and it gets you drunk... fast. I would know about the hangover because, as I'm proud to mention, I don't get hangovers.

EDIT: STM; cannabis, cocaine, heroin and ecstasy is all banned yet people manage to get their hands on the stuff. I wouldn't worry too much about it being banned anyways seeing as all the stuff I've came across was horseshit and hardly anyone buys it anymore.

Yes but if I can get high legally I'd prefer that, though it being illegal to smoke never stopped me in the past. I think I first smoked when I was 14. Peer pressure.

I'm gonna get my cat high on cat-nip soon.

Absinthe is good fun. The stuff we get in the states is fake and doesn't actually do anything, but I had a friend bring back a bottle from Russia for me. That was good times.

I also had a friend who grew opium poppies in her front and back yard back in California. She cultivated them. Because Poppies run rampant in that state, nobody really thought anything of it. She turned a nice profit, if memory serves.

If I was interested in heroine and had the ability to make that shit maybe I would grow it from the poppies in my garden but what else do I do with them? Any other way you can get high off opium without making heroine? Generally interested.

You realize that 'heroine' is a female hero, right? Anyway, I'm not entirely sure about the manufacturing process, but opium and heroin are entirely different things.

I don't get hangovers either... But I do tend to get sick in my stomach :( But I suppose thats only if I drink mixed drinks... Or too much. Alcohol sickness sucks.

The worst sickness I ever got was when I was in HS and we were on a studytrip to London. The guys thought it would be funny to keep giving me tequila shots(like 10 or something). Being the insecure girl that I was, I let myself get peer-pressured into doing it. I ended up eating all the lemons in the bar and the owners got quite annoyed at that. I also think I managed to forget a tiiiny bit of the night. A classmate of mine also permanently froze the word "lol" in his arm with ice cubes and salt.... He regretted it the next morning...

Anyway I came back to the hotel room and puked all over the place. And I barely knew what I was doing, and only then did people really get concerned with me. The girls helped me in the shower and let me get all that nasty stuff out of my system.

Next morning I was fine though. A bit tired but fine. Probly cos I managed to puke most of it out.

The teachers got really mad though and preached to the students about drinking and poor poor me for being victim to their games or something.

It was kind of a shit trip for me too, cos i was the quiet type and had a hard time relating to any of the people. The school-part of it was fun though. We got to see a lot of London and lots of museums... I really liked Camden Market too and thats when i fell in love with it.

Camden market has a shop that sells Salvia btw. I wonder if it's the real shit and if it's any good.

Yes but heroin is made from opium. I know how it's made sort of in that I know the chemical structure, its properties and roughly how you could reproduce it mechanically but it requires £1000's of pounds of equipment. So I was just interested in what else opium is good for?

EDIT: I live near Camden, it's not just one shop that sells it, you can also get weed seeds, bongs, free concert tickets. There's a whole black market underneath it all, I haven't been much because it doesn't appeal to me but other people I know really enjoy it. If you ever want saliva I'll go buy it and send it to you ;)

The best way to prevent an upset tummy during/post drinking is to drink a big glass of milk before you get started. My grandpa taught me that one. Supposedly the milk coats your stomach. I go with chocolate milk, personally.

Also, eat a small meal before you drink, and snack while you drink. No large meals, though.

Opium is good for smoking. That much I can tell you.

Oh, but what do you smoke? The seeds or the dried latex?

Whoa? Milk? Who'd have thought :P I shall try(at the rare occasions that I do drink).

Some people also say that saltwater helps. Dunno though. i never tried.



@STM
I know Opium is good for sleep-aid. But it's addictive. I wanna extract Opium and see if I can use it for the nights that I'm sleepless.

The dried latex. Well, you know, I'm not sure if there's something else done to it or not. I've only had the chance to smoke actual opium a couple of times, and I didn't ask what was involved in the process. This was with the friend who was growing it.


Saltwater seems stupid. It seems like it would not only pass right through your stomach instead of coating it like milk, but further dehydrate you once you start drinking. I wouldn't even try it.

As far as opium helping you sleep, also dumb. Pain medications, or most of them, are opiates. That's why they knock people the fuck out, make them 'feel good' and have such an addictive quality. If you're having trouble sleeping try taking melatonin or smoking a small amount of pot. I know you're afraid of pot, but one of its benefits is making most people a bit drowsy and keeping them asleep once they go down for the count. Don't fuck around with opium/opiates because you can't sleep. Bad news, that.

I'll stick with cigarettes when I do smoke probably, I've fallen out of taste of cigars. But salvia is definitely on my list of things to try before I die. Probably will go to Camden to get it now that you remind me.

I'd suggest looking online rather than buying from a shop. Seriously, you get what you pay for. Most people in shops will even tell you it's a rip-off. And when you look online it's going to seem expensive, but when you go to the shop and see how much you're going to be paying for such shit quality product, you're really better off. I'm speaking from experience here.

But what if it's just one cap?
My dad says that in Romania, they'd just add one cap of poppy to the tea and it would make them sleep nicely...

Anyway what about Laudanum? Ever tried that?


Right now I use Valerian to help me sleep... it works ok, but only as a form of induction. Like if I let it work, it will work. If I don't, the effect goes away.