But wasn't there a divide, some of the oldgers or glukkons stayed in their temples and such while most left to build great houses to hide from the night time, becoming industrialists.

So I mean are there spiritual glukkons still left that are evolving on a separate tech tree from the industrialist gluks.

Maybe, but that's only fan speculation. And I say again, Oldgers are not canonical! They were a placeholder name!

Oh fair enough.

If you think that, you need to take another look at Middle Earth and those sources. Come back in a year when you might be finished.

It was more of my way saying that I don't like it.

As far as the evolution of Oddworld goes, what confuses me the most is how the industrialists developed all their technology and super structures and adapted to their comfortable machine reliant lifestyle. Who builds all that stuff? The vykkers seem to be the most intelligent race we've seen, but they aren't directly involved with all the glukkon industries are they? I could see vykkers designing the buildings, like the most likely did for their saucer, but they seem to weak to construct them.

I remember asking Alf this long ago, and I never got a proper reply. Maybe I'm just looking into it to much and it doesn't really matter.

Well why not mudokons and sligs, like the egyptians, the mduokons / slaves were a perfect expendable work force for building their infra structure

I suppose that could make sense, but it's not like making an egyptian pyramid and stacking stones. They would have to know how to construct machinery and build working gas/fuel engines, and power sources. I don't see the glukkons teaching mudokons how to do this and sligs are just too stupid.

Why not, in HoD pictures there are classes of mudokon with builder hats on, they could easily be trained, sligs, perhaps could not build things as easily but I think I could see them forging materials

Ok I'm convinced.

For the record, the pyramids were built by free men who were paid wages. And if you're referring to the biblical story of slavery, the Great Pyramid was already more than a thousand years old by the time the events in the book of Exodus were set.

Just sayin'.

http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...O/RAMO0189.jpg

Mudokons have not only been domesticated to work with Industrial technology, but some actually live as industrialists. Albeit at the bottom rung of society, working blue collar jobs, but they're actually being paid wages.

Khanzumerz yes?

And @ Nate, fair enough, although slave labour was enforced by some of the Northern Kings when they built the great mastabas

Not much, though. Farmers and peasants got treated like dirt.

Paid in dirt is still paid.

Dirt doesn't come cheap these days.

I'd hardly call them free. Peasants were property who were included with the land they worked on during trading, and the farmers were 'obliged' to work for their pharoh (Building pyramids being an example) while the floods were up. 'Obliged' meaning 'punished if they didn't'.

Perhaps. But it's still better than being a slave, even with respect to a better quality of dirt.

Barely, they were equal in that they were possessions and hey, slaves don't get killed with their master when he dies.

They weren't really possessions; they were more alike serfs than slaves.

As for "being included with the lands they worked on", that would show they were tied to the land they worked, irrespective of it's owner, rather that they were sold as property together with the land.

Maybe your right, probably, I never did my Egyptian history besides what I did in my personal interest so my knowledge is lacking.