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Fuzzle Guy 11-02-2009 01:07 PM

John Williams stuff all sounds the same because it's what's needed for the movie. He's quite capable of writing different, unfamiliar stuff. The Star Wars Cantina and The Terminal are nothing like Indiana Jones or Jurassic Park.

People take what Spielberg wants his blockbusters to sound like, and assume it's John Williams showing a lack of ability and talent. They don't stop to think that maybe he's doing what he's paid to do and give the director what he wants.

Sekto Springs 11-02-2009 02:18 PM

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John Williams stuff all sounds the same because it's what's needed for the movie. He's quite capable of writing different, unfamiliar stuff. The Star Wars Cantina and The Terminal are nothing like Indiana Jones or Jurassic Park.

People take what Spielberg wants his blockbusters to sound like, and assume it's John Williams showing a lack of ability and talent. They don't stop to think that maybe he's doing what he's paid to do and give the director what he wants.

Partial truth. John Williams motifs are usually the same though and often use stolen melodies.

But yes, director influence plays a big part. This is partly why Elfman has a bad rep. Under Burton's direction, all of his stuff sounds like The Nightmare Before Christmas. Truthfully, TNBC is probably my least favorite Elfman score. Even though his scores for Batman Returns and Edward Scissorhands are along the same lines, I still prefer them to TNBC.

Danny: "So Tim, what motifs you want me to do this time?"
Tim: "Anything with xylophones, glockenspiels, celesta, tubular bells, and boys choir will be fine"
Danny: *sigh*

I just don't understand why John Williams is at the top of the ladder as far as film composers go. I assume it's because of his ability to create memorable "hummable" melodies that stick with you, and not so much for instrumentation. I just find him highly overrated, and even though his melodies are memorable, I don't really enjoy them.

used:) 11-02-2009 02:33 PM

Haven't you people ever heard of a little thing called "style"? John Williams's music varies in mood and depending on what he's writing for, but it all sounds like John Williams just like Elfman's scores for Beetlejuice and Black Beauty are different in mood and instrumentation, but if you listen to enough of his music you can recognize his style. Is this something to be mad about? Certainly not.

Sekto Springs 11-02-2009 05:34 PM

I'm not mad about it.
Though the fact that he is a pilferer of melodies/instrumentation bugs me.

Nate 11-02-2009 11:29 PM

Oh, wait. This thread had a topic once.

I just saw the film; it was indeed as awesome as it should have been. Christopher Plummer was fantastic. Heath Ledger, Colin Farrel and Jude Law all did their best best Johnny Depp impressions. And the bits within the Imaginarium itself were absolutely spectactular. I read a review that criticised them for being cheap and not photorealistic, but to me that was the charm of them. They were stylised and all the more beautiful for it.

I really, really hope this film becomes the success it so deserves to be.

Sekto Springs 11-03-2009 05:00 AM

Wait, its out?
No theatres around here are even showing it yet and you aussie bastards have it?

ffffffffffffffuckkkkk

EDIT:
Apparently it's not released mainstream over here until the 25th of December.
Did I mention ffffffffffffffuckkkkk?

T-nex 11-03-2009 11:35 AM

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Wait, its out?
No theatres around here are even showing it yet and you aussie bastards have it?

ffffffffffffffuckkkkk

EDIT:
Apparently it's not released mainstream over here until the 25th of December.
Did I mention ffffffffffffffuckkkkk?

You can always steal Nate's eyes...

Sekto Springs 11-03-2009 03:01 PM

If he lived closed by I probably would.

Nate 11-03-2009 07:38 PM

If we lived close to each other, you'd have seen the film already.


Also, BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Finally we get to see a movie before the internet's gleaming masses.

Sekto Springs 11-03-2009 07:39 PM

Yeah... well... YOU CAN'T PLAY L4D2 >:C

Fuzzle Guy 11-04-2009 12:05 AM

We only have one cinema here, and all that's showing is Zombie Land and Michael Jackson's This is It. Yep, I'm just cacking my undies with excitement to see this weekends selection of Brilliant films.