I'd like to apologize for the blatant ignorance of my statement. I have several qualms with Christianity and all it's branches, and I should know better than to let that influence my biases.

I do feel, however, that many Christian views are counterproductive to modern living, especially the whole issue on abortion/birth control. I think I've pretty much lost all merit in this discussion though, so I'm just going to back off before I end up offending more people. I have a problem with Christianity, both on a personal and moral level, but this is hardly the place for me to discuss it.

I'm a RC christian but I can't say i'm suprised anyway there's more to want children for, baptism, growing them up etc... if you notice, the ten commandments in the Bible are a perfect set of rules, if every country used them, with harsh punishments, we would have a perfect community, that's right i am an ameteur philosipher.

I certainly hope you're kidding, Scrabtrapman.

Okay, now I'm done.

What die at 33 years old? Longer than the average life-span at the time. Or are you referring to the cross.

Apart from killing/stealing, the rest really has nothing to do with anything but hurting your personal moral feelings. Keep them to yourself.
Let people have fantasies about someone other than their partner. let them hate their neighbors. Let them have other gods.

Honestly, what's so perfect about the ten commandments. And why should they be enforced if people don't care. What do YOU care that someone on the other side of the globe hated on your god? Or that they fucked their neighbours wife. It's none of your business, and mixing law with christian is just generally a bad idea.

I don't care if somoeone hatesmy God, I don't try to convert and I hope they enjoy this life because theyre gonna wanna stay dead in there next!

And @ T-Nex, i'm sorry but on this occasion I disagree with you, obvioulsy I don't know your age but i'm guessing your not married yet, if you are, how would feel when your partner says, "I don't love you anymore oh and I fucked your best mate behind your back!"

Considering T-nex is my girlfriend, I can first dismiss the "I don't love you anymore" comment right here and now.

Second, even if such a thing were too happen, exactly what is your point? Naturally she would feel hurt, but what the hell does that have to do with ten commandments? If you're suggesting that by using Christian influence to dis-allow people to do this, even if its where their true desires lie, then you're essentially endorsing misery and dishonesty with yourself.

I would feel terrible.. But It would certainly not be such a horrible deed that the government mus 'harshly' punish the individual. Private matters should stay just that, private. I mean.. Even the mere suggestion to make such a deed punishable is just retarded. DO you know the reason the guy fucked behind his wife's back? There could be many. Some more innocent than the other.
The punishment the guy would have is his wife leaving him.
Now, if the husband gets violent/abusive, that's the time to call the authorities. Until that, it's all just dirty laundry that's none of your business.

Edit: Stay out of this, Chris <.<

It has nothing to do with hating your god. It has everything to do with the fact that there is no historical evidence to back up the idea that your god exists, and yet your religious leaders feel it's necessary to legislate his "word", which quite often amounts to lunacy.

Children just old enough to string a sentence are ameteur philosophers, that should cover what I think of your opinion.

So, assuming someone did hate your God....you're convinced they'd go to Hell? Whatever happened to a forgiving and all-loving God?

Also, you say to follow the 10 commandments. I ask 2 things:
Firstly- Are you opposed to hunting, animal culling, pest control, etc.? This relates to 1 of the COmmandments.
Secondly- what are your views on homosexuality? This isn't fully Commandment related but its still a question I'm interested in the answer to.


To stay on topic I can well believe that high-Christian areas have high teen pregnancies, but I don't think its a problem with Christianity as a whole so much as certain intricacies of the Christian faith, namely the condemnation of birth control.

I don't know who that is, and I have absolutely nothing against anyone on this forum or gays in general.

Did I say that I thought you were going to do any of those things? No?

You're irritated with my use of the word Values? What? I'm sorry if it hasn't become apparent at this point, and the fact that I've never said anything negative about atheism probably supports this, but I'm a pretty open minded person. Hell, saying 'open minded' sounds wrong. I have nothing against any one race or belief system for any reason whatsoever. So when you turn my irritation with Sekto Springs into a hissy fit about Religious people persecuting Atheists, it makes me think that you're either trolling or honestly believe that every religious person is as batshit insane as you seem to be.

Everywhere you go, you hear this shit about values. "I'll only vote for someone who shares my values" is a line that is heard non stop at election times around here. And it is an attack on atheists, but it's also an attack on mormons, presbyterians, muslims, buddhists, and anyone who does not subscribe to the exact branch of religion that this particular person does. It's extremely grating, and bigoted. However, my saying this is not an attack on you. It's just a general complaint with the expression. I purposely did not address that to you. I understand that you are not a manic zealot.

To be honest, (at the risk of sounding condescending and smug) I would say that you are, at the most, about two years away from a revelation, at the end of which you will declare your atheism. Of course, I could be wrong.

Fair enough, and I understand where you're coming from, but again, I just didn't grab your entire meaning.

As for the second part? I don't see myself not believing in god at any point in my life. Oh, I'll PROBABLY reshape the way I think about it as things go on, and eventually it will be less like I'm Catholic and more like I'm just an epicenter for whatever religious/non-religious facts agree with how I think.

See, it's not so much I think that there's god that you're given whatever afterlife (or lack thereof) your belief system promises depending on how you act. Catholic asshole? Hell.

Obviously this clashes with other beliefs, for example, I don't think you should get a reward for suicide bombing in the name of Allah (kind of a gross generalization, but it serves its purpose).

More than anything, I just believe in Karma. Who says that hell or heaven isn't the moment before you die magically connected to everyone else who's died drawn out into infinity? What if psychics and...uh 'psychic residue' exist and they are what the afterlife is a projection of.

It's a lot of wild mass guessing, but the concept of nothing after life is simultaneously frightening and depressing to me. There should be something, not just Oh you're dead NOTHING.

Now that last bit, that's what I'm under the impression atheists think. Are my facts wrong?

And that, my friends, is why Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs is the greatest film ever made.

It can be easily argued that all views are 'stupid' when not analyzed with common sense.

'Stupid' is often used as a derogatory term, and like the term 'gay' was not originally implicated as an insult though very often is used as such. 'Stupid' is merely a derivative of 'stupor' which essentially means "suspension or great diminution of sensibility" or "apathy."

YOU SHOULD START "MINDEN" YOUR OWN BUSINESS

You're nuts.

I stole those from a radio tower, along with a ginormous bolt.

They're...really useless.

Edit: You heard it here first, folks! My stolen nuts are useless!

Man, you must have nuts of steel.

That sounds like something I would have done.

I thank whatever deity is the most powerful right now for the blissful respite of off-topicism. It is truly a blessing.

Kaster and myself are openminded catholics in that we don't mind what you do on this forum and such, all my friends are athiests anyway including all of you lot.


It appears that the posts on this forum are almost the most narrow minded, one sided argumentalists on the forum.

Who's Kaster? That sounds like an asshole name. For some kind of asshole.

Oh in doubitably sorry, I meant Kastere =D

PS I just sneezed

A derailed train slaps you on the knee Kastere? :)

Wow...

I assume you refer to the people who answered your suggestions for incorporating the ten commandments into the law.

No one here says you're not allowed to follow your own path. I think most atheists don't care as long as you try to keep your beliefs AWAY from people's freedom and laws.

See, here's the problem why so many atheists are fed up with some christians. They can't keep it to themselves. They just have to hold up "God hates fags" signs, and call every person who aborts a baby a monster/killer. Ok, I'm probably exaggerating here, but it's only to get my point across.

Also, mind you, I'm not an atheist. Call me agnostic, because I'm openminded about everything. I ponder a lot about what's after life, and if there's in fact more. I choose to stay open minded and accept any suggestions that have substancial proof. Also I really do wish that there's more to life than what meets the eye.

I also have christian friends, and I find most of them intelligent. Like Splat... He's probably one of the most hardcore christians I've met in my life, but who also remain open minded and friendly to any person who might not be. And he speaks up when people challenge his religion. That's acceptable behavior imo. We all have beliefs that we try to convince others of. But please don't call people close-minded for having their opinions too.

As long as people have the right to choose whether they want to be religious or not(Meaning seperating the church from the state), I think the world will become more peaceful and nice.
If atheists were to ban religion, a riot would happen. If Religious people were to ban ahtism, another riot would happen. So we need to keep a balance.

Ok, so some people haven't been that nice about things regarding christianity, but i bet they have their own reasons for that.
Personally, I hate when people dismiss a whole group of people as 'stupid' or worse, and i would never think such things about christians. Just the bad parts of christianity.

To be honest, I believe that the vast majority of people who label themselves as Christian or otherwise only believe in god in a sort of abstract "I don't want my existence to end" sort of way. I think that down deep most people are secret atheists, even though they don't know it. Think about all the things that you (the larger you, meaning everyone) do in a single day that you wouldn't do if your parents were standing behind you. Now think about this, the Christian god is a great deal more strict than the majority of your parents. If you really believed that he was watching you at all times, I don't believe that you would do the things that you do.

Also, I want to set the record straight on one thing. Yes, it can be considered cool to rag on Christianity, but I am not ragging on it. I am terrified and enraged by it, by all religions, really, but Christianity most since I lived it. See, I am not just an observer. The church that I grew up in was perhaps not as insane as the Phelps clan, but it was pretty fucking close. I wasn't allowed to read books for years because my mother thought that they were warping my mind (the final straw was The Three Musketeers, if you can believe that). I used to go the mall with my mom, buy books, and then shove them down my pants so I could smuggle them home and place them in the bibles that I had torn the pages out of.

When I finally came out to my mother as a non-believer at the age of 12, I was repeatedly smacked in the face until she had calmed down enough to call all of her male friends at the church. They immediately came over to threaten me with eternal damnation, and their fists. They also let me know that I was just killing my mother with my rebellion, as if that's what it was about. My childhood was a combination of constant fear, confusion, and self hatred. I contemplated suicide more than once.

The more I think about it, the more I dislike the idea that there are Christians who are apathetic about following the strictures of their religion. It's difficult to combat that, because your Christianity doesn't mean enough to you for you to care. It's much more difficult to make you see what's wrong with it because you already know what's wrong with it. It just doesn't apply to how you see your religion. Unfortunately for the rest of us, how you see your religion has absolutely nothing to do with the teachings of your religion.

No, I have my own views about christianity and could easily justify them.

Firstly I don't mind in an abortion as long as you are willing to face that you have murdered a baby.

I also understand in the secret darkness behind the good chritianity, ther is a dark sub-sector and dangerous area that none of us can eneter nor understand.

I don't like how talk about christians as a them or an us, I don't fall into the standard christianic people.

I can safely say that I have converted a strict atheist ino chrsitianity aswell, infact two, simply by telling them about the bible and what some extremists believe will happen in the end of the world, I wasnt trying to convert them however so donot brand me.

@ OANST - I am sorry but I find it hard to believe your story, maybe it is true but cna you identify the sept or subcult you belonge to because that is not RC, Orthodox, Methodist or Protestant.

@ T-Nex, I am sorry for calling you narrow minded as well, I am usually friendly to everyone, even people that don't like me, (hopefully no one falls into that ring here)

I have no qualms with anyone or any relgion, except maybe satanists, but I hate it whe npeople say to me things like err, how can God exist in this world or God doesn't exist, your an idiot, F*ck off, people have done that to me before. D= Not saying anyone here has one that though

You find it hard to believe that followers of your religion would resort to psychological and physical abuse to make someone adhere to their belief system? As if all of history isn't filled to the brim with Christians doing far worse than what was done to me? Fuck you. Don't come in here spouting your childish bullshit, and then tell me that my fourteen years of hell is a lie just because it's more convenient for you to believe that.

We were Baptists.

OMG i'm so sorry OANST, really I am, I never, ever thought while on this thread about the middle age chrisitanity and that it could possibly be carried on today, you have my sincerest appologies.

Why where thye liek that, where they extremsits?