Patrick please, just because you created a thread, doesn't mean you are the authority on what people can and can't post. I say, let's have a debate. Ish.

I don't actually agree with abortion but I think it's a mother's right to choose. I know that the baby can 'just be adopted' but after having it grow inside you for 9 months and then take hours of agony to push out, I doubt it would be as easy and carefree as it sounds. Mother's love and all that jip.

TBH I think that's incredibly ignorant of you.

I'll write more when I'm less tired and have less college work to do...

- Rexy

I don't have the authority. But I think it's simply more polite to obey the rules of the OP. And I set these rules down to AVOID A FLAME WAR. Topics as controversial as this are like kindling doused with gas on top of Galactus' ass with Pyro flaming away. If Hobo can be polite enough to obey the rules, surely you as a moderator can.

Yes, but what you're forgetting is screw you. We like flame wars. They be fun.

Or, to rephrase OANST in a slightly less inflammatory way; without a discussion about the issues, there's no point to even having this thread. I really don't care whether one person is pro- or anti-. What's interesting is why. What's even more interesting is seeing people's conceptions challenged.

Why do you act the way you do, OANST? Are you a troll, a sociopath? I'm genuinely curious.

Okey dokey then, debate is allowed (though I'm not a moderator or in any official position)

Im all for abortion, I absolulty hate children. If the mum doesnt want the kid, I say get rid of it.

If the child is retarded then abort it, thats what I say...Damn the "save the children" or whatever, they can burn in Hell!!! We have enough children about this damn planet.

Well...if, lets say...the child is very mentaly 'damaged' or its is a result of rape, the mother should be allowed to decide wheather she wishes to keep the child or destroy it.

I view is as cruel and unnecesary, and being a christian, it is my religous duty or something stupid like that to protest it. But I don't. If someone wants to do something that you don't like, you don't have to make them feel worse. I doubt anyone goes inside an abortion clinic and leaves with a smile. Protesting just makes it worse, it doesn't solve anything. Do whatever you want, but I don't want anything to do with it.

What's wrong with being retarded? I'm technically 'retarded', you don't say how retarded or whatever you're against.

If a person is mentaly retarded to the point where it can not function on its own and needs help to even eat or pee then for god sake kill it. Even if it's an adult ffs kill it.

I don't think that mental retardation goes to that extent, though it can go high. There's nothing bad about retarded people, so anyone who has something against the 'mentally challenged', get this into your puny little minds: retarded people are hard to pick out from the rest of us screw-ups. They can enjoy a play, see a movie, they can read a book, they can play games, they can assemble certain equipment, they can do almost anything an average person can do. One or two things may require assistance, but they're okay really. My second best friend's retarded, he doesn't need help with much. My cousin's retarded, he doesn't need help with much. Please be more understanding.

That be truth.

Give me a break. That was goodnatured joking. Rise above your preconceptions and see things as they actually are.

Right he is. A little humor never killed anybody, but the lack of humor did.

:pToo bad not everyone finds things like suicide jokes about a member humouress like you do.

I do. :D



Back on topic....

:)The suicide jokes were about me, there was...I'll go count...10 jokes about me getting killed, commiting suicide and my sucky fanfictions and only one suicide joke about Patrick Vykkers...:)I win.

There's a fine, fine line between being funny and being a douchebag. And I'm sorry, but you have crossed that line very often.

Anyway, back on topic!

I think the argument that extreme circumstances allow abortion is absurd. Two wrongs don't make a right. If someone is raped, that's not the child's fault. Shouldn't we punish the rapist by dipping his head in acid and urinating on his grave, rather than killing a child? The child is innocent, he/she has done no wrong.

:)Truth....Though some people are against having a rapists baby because its a rapists baby and they're scared or something....Eh, I think adoption is better.

My thoughts and beliefs have varied throughout the years on the subject. I've arrived at the belief that pregnancies should be allowed at any stage. An unwanted birth is an unwanted birth. If a woman decides during the third trimester that she does not want to have a baby, then she shouldn't go through with it and she should be able to terminate her pregnancy. There's some ethics to consider here because the fetus obviously has a well developed nervous system in the latter trimesters, but I don't think a person should be forced into a life she isn't ready for and no child should be born unwanted. And I'm also a supporter of the government helping the financially needy in this and other medical procedures.

CLEARLY we're not talking about people like that. We are talking about people who are severely mentally handicapped, who will never be able to live independantly and will likely spend their lives either in pain or desperately lonely.

Ambi, there is a thing called adoption here. Killing an innocent child because he/she is "unwanted" is beyond belief selfish. Why not then kill a three day old baby? Why not kill him/her then?

Let's hit a huge topic related to abortion here.

STEM CELLS

And since I am too lazy to write it up myself, here's the wiki page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell

I'm sort of a bit undecided on abortion, because there is the fact that if, for example, someone gets pregnant from being raped, it means they have to go through all the trauma of childbirth and all, not to mention the pregnancy itself (which both can actually have lasting effects on the person). But on the other hand, as some have said in this thread, it's also somewhat selfish to kill a child before it even has a chance to really live. And I wonder if anyone thinks about what if their mother had decided to get an abortion when they had them :p
And the other problem I see with it is that, although not having the abortion can have effects too, having an abortion has actually been known to cause problems later in those people's lives, e.g. depression.

But yeah, I can't really decide, it's a bit of a stalemate in my mind :p

I think its the mothers choice to either keep the baby or abort it.

Oh yea and the victim of the rape should just have to bear with it huh? Can't do anything about it because we have to keep in mind the two week old piece of goo thats no bigger then my thumb at this point and doesn't even have developed brains. FFS a 2 week old embryo that is still inside the mother can not be considered life you moron.

Patrick I don't believe your stupidity. You're saying that if a girl gets raped that she should just sit through it and 'deal with it' and put the kid up for adoption when its born? Simple as that? Apparently you have NO idea at all how hard being pregnant is, both physically and emotionally. Putting it up for adoption is not easy. It's not like you just had a TV delivered to the wrong adres and you go 'hm... guess I'll sell it.'
Go buy your own damn opinion somewhere and burn that bloody book of yours!

Havoc

Yes, thats a rather silly statement Patrick. IF the mother wants to get rid of it she should, as shes the one who got raped, and the one who will care for the child the most, (no offense all you males) so it is HER choice. I would find it cruel and utterly stupid if she wasnt allowed to abort her baby if she chose too, just because some idiot claimed a embro was 'life' and it was 'alive' well sure it is, but it doesnt have a mind! Jezz...

I don't like abortion, but it is the parents' choice (the mother shouldn't just have the choice, the fathers genes are mixing around in there too). If it's the result of a rape or if the mother is in medical danger, then abortion should be allowable. If either doesn't apply, then abortion should be allowable until baby is already becoming fully developed. At that point you've had enough time to decide and no one likes to dump out a cake when it's half way through the baking process.

And agree with havoc on nearly everything he's said.

What's the problem with the government funding them?