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Wil 10-02-2006 11:18 AM
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Assuming his audience is familiar with the term (and how would Pat know in the first place?), then he would still save time listing a few anomalies instead of listing all of his beliefs out at once.
Yes, alright. I still see a distinction between labelling and simply using an adjective. Thing is, the larger trend of his beliefs are almost entirely irrelevent to this discussion, and most discussions.

/me realises the irony of that statement. /me relishes in it.

Patrick Vykkers 10-02-2006 01:28 PM
I know that, but as I said, Hitler did share a dislike for a perceived upper class of Jewish bankers and bureaucrats, and did try to nationalise some businesses.

Nate 10-02-2006 06:52 PM
Which made him a fascist, not a socialist...

Patrick Vykkers 10-02-2006 07:05 PM
Yes, but most socialists are not exactly big fans of the upper class either, Jewish or not. The primary reason Hitler declared war with the USSR was because he made a mistake. He thought his military was big and tough enough to handle both the Allies and the USSR. And in war, demonization of the enemy is criticial.

For more on Hitler's leftism, consult the following pages;


-http://ray-dox.blogspot.com/2006/08/this-article-is-published-on-internet.html


-http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/3943

-http://freedomspeace.blogspot.com/2005/08/hitler-was-socialist.html

magic9mushroom 10-02-2006 10:06 PM
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Well happy days. So Bush got in trouble for torturing people on American soil? Who cares! We'll just pass a law that says it's okay and get on with it, shall we.

I can't be bothered to re-post the entire topic I found, since I want to go to bed to be quite honest. But if you look here:

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=46308

Basicaly, the new law will enable Bush to randomly select people, throw them in jail without having to give a reason and torture them completely legaly. And, this can be done to absolutely everyone stepping onto American soil. So... don't pick your nose when you go visit America...

For the love of everything that is holy! Kill this man, someone! Please! :fuzemb:

Laser pistol will be sent, but by that time he'll be out of office. You can take out your hard feelings on him tho. Just don't ever give it to anyone.

Statikk HDM 10-03-2006 07:25 AM
You know what really pisses me off about the whole thing? The Militry Commissions Act will get passed and every other person I try to talk about it off of liberal boards doesn't know jack shit about it.
Links to the current bill, 3rd down as followed.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:S.3930:
Basically the President can detain and torture whoever he feels like. There's a bunch of mushmouthed stuff that should limit the powers of the Executive, but doesn't and can be spun away or just ignored.

Arxryl 10-03-2006 09:24 AM
Man...this thing about torture is psycotic. (yes, that is one of my favorite words...) I mean, he could just go out and choose people he doesn't like and torture them for no apparent reason! That's just not right... Well... hopefully this bill gets terminated before it gets too far and out of hand.


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