I don't think that they are.


I have a question. You know how there are the evolved/super type of the Live Ammo that you get, the ones that you get as soon as it's figured out that you are a Steef? Example:
StingBees---Super StingBees
BoomBats---BoomBat Seekers
ThudSlugs---RiotSlugs

Okay, are the second ones an evolved form of the species or what?
I've always been curious on how they cange/are different.

I think they're artificially enhanced, like Big Bro Sligs.

So Chippunks have a little PA system attached, Boombats have dynamite shoved down the fundament, etc.

They're more similar between themselves than to any other species in oddworld, but I don't think they are much similar... To me it seems Slurgs are snail-like creatures, while Fleeches are worm-like creatures.

fleeches are created by the vykkers...
the intresting part is that the concept art for fleeches clearly looks like a fuzzle

so could it be that fleeches are nothing else then genetically manipulated fuzzles?

Or at least that the creatures that were manipulated into today's Fleeches were closely related to Fuzzles.

Re the Live Ammo upgrades, each different species is different. Cosmetic differences such as dynamite and PA systems aside, that is. Howlerpunks are Chippunks that have Turret syndrome. Rabid Fuzzles are abandoned ADD experiments. Bada Boombats are caring for young (so-called) drones. I think Bolamite Blasts are genetically enhanced, at least their webbing is.

I went and saw the concept art at TOGG... Wow, they were almost like Fuzzles without eyes and with big tongues.

EDIT: This is the concept art: http://www.oddworlduniverse.com/togg...E/CAAE0096.jpg

(Sorry, I don't know to link)

Oops, it seems it links automatically. Great :)

Man, what a difference.

It's thought that the eventual design for both the fuzzle and the raisin came from those early fleech sketches.

The question is if the upgrades that actually CHANGE the creature (instead of just equipping it with something) are actually genetic enhancements, or just chemical ones(by giving them certain drugs, etc.)...

Earth's Tourette syndrome (presumably what Turret syndrome is based on) is a naturally-occuring genetic disorder. Given the Vykkers' scientific knowledge, the ADD experiments could be genetic or chemical or a combination of both. Bolamites are genetically enhanced, as I say. I don't know why. Maybe industrials boil Bolamites alive to extract the webbing, as humans do to silk worms, and the stronger webbing will benefit industry.

Humans have genetically engineered goats to produce spider silk proteins in their milk.

I'm not sure if that's relevant but it is wierd.

I should also think the yellow-lighting fireflies of the caves around the Mongo Valley are in some way related to the white-lighting fireflies of the Stockyards (etc).

One interesting thing is that the only species to react to the Mudokon's chant (other than the default being possessed) are fireflies and the birds. This connection might be more profound than at first glance. Perhaps in Oddworld birds did not evolve from reptiles, but rather from flying bugs? So an hypothetic evolution could be: Fireflies>Birds>Mudokons?

Or Birds->Muds and Birds->Fireflies seperately. After all, we never saw the fireflies to confirm that they are, in fact, insects. They may be a small, phosphorescent bird. But I doubt it.

I'd just say that chanting causes a mystical energy that can affect many creatures in different ways.

There's also the fact that certain Oddworld 'insects' have most un-insect-like skeletons.

Has no one thought of the simialarity of of meebs and meetles/mugs? They have the same type of eyes and their body is simialar.

Meebs? Do you mean Meep (it's the same word singular and plural, just like with sheep)? I doubt they're related at all. Meep are soft and fluffy whilst Meetles have shells. Also there's the fact that Meep have only one leg.

well the only creature I can relate to meeps is the gabbit... because of the only leg
but that's a bit weak as similitude

And Ratz. I just think that that there is a whole stream of Oddworld creatures with single legs. I'm not sure if that means that they are closely related or not.

From a technical perspective, it's because it is easier to animate groups of creatures with only one leg instead of many.

When I was playin' SW, in the Grubb caves especially I kept seeing those firefly things. My first thought was they were Zappflies...

And does anyone else think that Meeches and Scrabs look very similar?

Oh, an this is a picture I was sent by Dark Elite_H2 to explain about the Oktigi etc.

I think they do too. They seem to have a common ancestor or something.

Not really. They have vaguely similar body shapes but their mouths and legs are totally different.