how can you evangelise if you don't listen to the counter-argument (I am aware you were joking). Though, no offence, it actually tends to be athiests who ignore what they can't or don't wan't to understand, usually just by saying its his belief and it doesn't bother me.

but used:), where does that want, and instinct for life come from? If life has no mening then why live and why would we even want to live?
I am aware of survival instincts and such but why have them if life has no meaning?

My life is about my faith and my purpose i the one God set out for me.

Why would we want to be dead (don't go technical with me)? Just because something doesn't have a meaning, dosn't mean it's completely usless. Imagine our on line lives if Oddworld didn't exist, imagine our gaming worlds at that. Everything comes to an end, but who knows when?

It doesn't need a purpose. Football has no ultimate purpose but millions of people watch it. People live because life is interesting and better than not existing.

Here we go...

How was life an accident? There is no being of which could take the blame for this 'accident'. If there is no God, how can it be an accident?

We carry on because we can. NOTHING actually has to have MEANING. You're posting on this forum. What's the meaning of this forum? Oh, profound, I know. :rolleyes:

If you mean: "The meaning of life is to reproduce", it isn't necessarily. Though it seems the main purpose, to spread your vile seed.

Yes it would. If there was a dice roll to decide if the World Trade Center was made, would it still not be devastating for it to be demolished?

Nothing needs meaning to exist.

Oranges exist. They do not have meaning. Therefor, they should be demolished. OK... O.o

Lets start our owbn deep atheist forum religion, oddworldforumsinism! :bow:


Basically, what if nothing had a beginning, and nothing has an ending. The matter just keeps rotating throughout the spacial planes compressing to form new universi and countless new civilizations and species. We all don't have to have our own particular meaning, humans are just pawns when it comes to the BIGGER picture.

Maybe everything in the universe all has one big meaning. when you play a RTS, do the countless units have any particular meaning, it's achieving the big goal in the end, or no end. And humanity isn't at that point of universal meaning (yes, I know this sounds extremely bulshitty, but it's 5 in the morning here, okay)

Football, Oddworld, OWF, purpose is entertaining. I post stories cus I enjoy writing them and other people enjoy reading them, thats the purpose I do it for. i'm posting here cus a big discussion is something i enjoy, and because it allows me to spread my opinion, thats the purpose of this. The same with sport, the reason people watch it is because it's entertaining.

Supr munch, replace the word accident with off chance. If life began by chance, by randomness, then it has no purpose, and if it has no purpose what is achieved by carrying it on? If there is no purpose, what do you think would change dramatically if humans disappeared? not much, except Earth would probably be a nicer place for the animals.

The reproduction thing was my answer to people who said the meaning of life was reproduction.

And oranges make up a persentage of the food on Earth. If there's just enough food to feed everyone now and we take away oranges there won't be enough food (not that we hand it out properly anyway). Oranges exist as a different-tasting alternative for people who don't like apple juice! Or lemons!
Everything has a reason for its creation, even if it is only there to make up a piece of something much bigger. Take some food away and there isn't enough, but with everything there is enough and a good variety of it all.

There is no set meaning of life. Life maybe has many meanings that can never be explained. The primary purpose of apples is not to feed humans, but to fall to the ground and release the seeds. Once again, reproduction.

By all means humans can eat apples and say they have a purpose, but eating apples is not the meaning of life.

I'm still saying that life has no real purpose but from today I will carry on living just to spite you. That is the purpose of my sorry existance.

Now all I have to do is make babies. *Returns to his location* :p

You know what fascinates me, is how people seem to smack into a comprehension barrier the minute the come across a theory they deem "depressing".

Yet we accept depressing realities all throughout our life. We are going to die, the sun will expand and consume the earth, the universe will collapse in on itself, and so on. It's not a particularly happy place, our plane of existance. You just need to, you know, get the fuck over it.

There is a fairly great possibility that the creation of life here was just a freak thing, something that happened simply because the universe is such a large playing field within which things can happen, that the chances of life being created in one place at some time or another were high enough that it did happen. There is no way of telling how long it took the universe to create life, or how life itself was created. Current theories suggest that the creation of life is something so complicated, that the chances of it happening somewhere automatically (without devine/intelligent intervention) is one in quadrillions, and the chances of somewhere being suitable for life to be created on it's own is one in dectillions.

Maybe this means that the most likely explanation is that it happened as a result of devine intervention? Or maybe it means that it was just the luck of a vast and diverse universe? Maybe the experts have it wrong and it's not as complex as they think? The fact is, that all theories are as valid as the next until proven otherwise, which will most likely never happen. So you can't simply dismiss them on the basis of them being depressing.

I don't dismiss your theory cause it's depressing, I dismiss it because (I apologise for this sounding ignorant) I know my belief is right. Surely Dino, you know how frustrating it is whewn you know you actually are right, but nobody believes you. Especially when the knowledge of right will save all the people who know it.

I also know I can't force you to change your views but the proof you're looking for, unless you really do believe already, will come when it's too late to change.