What exactly am i doing for attention? I really cannot see how this type of "controversy" is any different to Dino advocating sex with children as young as toddlers? So please, explain to me how being open-minded enough to re-think History is bad? Did i say any of the above was fact? No. Did i say i believed in it? No. Did i say that it was food for thought? Yes. Did i say i'd accept any evidence to the contrary of this argument? Yes.

Now, can people please read my actual posts before flicking their clitoris over things that i haven't said.

Thankyou.

That's completely different, because not all Muslims praise Osama bin Laden/terrorists, but all Neo-Nazis praise Hitler/Nazis.

Bah, I'm sorry, Jacob. I was just tired and cranky and I hadn't had my bottle yet.

I apologise.

'That's completely different, because not all Muslims praise Osama bin Laden/terrorists, but all Neo-Nazis praise Hitler/Nazis.'

Okay, firstly you have to ask yourself "Do i know all Neo-Nazis?" well, do you?

They're ****ing Nazi's! And for a homasexual, Jacob, you seem to be pretty luke warm towoards them even though they want your kind dead on a stick!

You're quoting from someone who has twisted and misrepresented factual evidence, or simply fabricated it, to support his preconcieved idea of what went on.

The ironic thing is, originally the nazis would've been proud of this holocaust, almost claiming it as a work of art and sheer nazi genius, but now it's like a shameful thing and the nazis are trying to cover it up to make themselves look like nicer people, because they realise how fucking screwed up it is to kill that many people. Yet secretly they probably get off to it.

Ugh, I just don't know where I stand on it. Too many ignorant morons like PA who blame everything on whoever they dislike or whatever scapegoat suits them just fine. For PA it's liberals, for the nazis it's basically the historic community and America, and England, and the jews... fuck I've had about enough of it. I'm sick of these cowards and liars, history doesn't need any of this shit, and all they're doing is just dragging up age old arguments, disagreements, and crap. I don't want to be hearing the 20th century arguments of people I didn't know, who's beliefs and culture I didn't share, reverberating off of my 21st century walls as an means to an end that doesn't have anything to do with me.

'And for a homasexual, Jacob, you seem to be pretty luke warm towoards them even though they want your kind dead on a stick!'

For the majority of Neo's that's true, but then again, are they really Neo's or just school f*ck-ups wanting to vent at something. Usually Neo's are repulsed by Homosexual's and want them seperated from the word "normal". All of the Neo's i know want this, but that doesn't mean they want me "dead on a stick". In fact the two guys i know have defended me from tossers wanting to kick the sh*t out of me before, so i hold them in high regard.

'You're quoting from someone who has twisted and misrepresented factual evidence, or simply fabricated it, to support his preconcieved idea of what went on.'

'Ugh, I just don't know where I stand on it.'

Well surely if the person has done what you said he has done, you should be all for the Holo happening.

The holocaust happened, but just because I accept that fact doesn't mean that I think it involved roughly 6 million people, or feel glad that it went on. I'm disgusted that it happened at all, and I'm disgusted that neo nazis are so screwy that they don't even know what they support anymore. They're just trying to curry favour so they can "take over the world". It's nuts. All this propaganda and for what? Nobody is ever going to believe them, and nobody is ever going to let them come into power, so it's a complete waste of time.

You can say that it didn't happen as much as you want, the fact is that it isn't ever going to get you anywhere. You'll just quickly find that many people doing like you anymore.

So Jacob, what are you trying to say? That the overwhelming amount of photography, eyewitness accounts, testimony, and convictions of SS people for crimes against Jews, minorities, gays, and the mentally handicapped we all faked for the past 60 odd years? For what ****ing purpose? And arguing for Nazis is pretty racist, homophobic, and self-defeating. Every single holocaust denier I've ever seen has been an ignorant, flaming asshole.

You know what? I've been fighting off the urge to say this for a while now but I'm suprised that Jacob hasn't been banned for being a nazi, because that's clearly what he is.

Don't forget Jehova Witnesses and Alcoholics. And if there is a Hell, Jacob is sooooooooooo going there. I mean, like the deepest Dis gets.

Why do you think they're called Neo-Nazis? If they don't support Hitler/Nazis, they're not true Neo-Nazis, just racist.

Jacob hasn't done anything to deserve a banning, his opinions may be unpopular, but he should be allowed to voice them nonetheless.

Well, I believe in majority rule, and I think the majority of us don't approve of his posts.

I believe Voltaire said it best...

Oh so nazis now have a right to express their ignorance in a form that can bother us all? Great. Next we'll be letting them gas jews, and we'll call it "freedom of expression".

Well, we let the KKK squeek through. So I guess any damn thing is possible these days. :devil:

My one complaint is here in the U.S. all we ever talk about is how evil the Germans were and the holocaust. I agree 100% what happened to the Jews and the other groups that were exterminated during WW2 was horrible and inexcusable.

What I cannot stand though in this country, and even in the world, is how no one seems to ever remember the genocide committed against the Native Americans in the United States. We seem to use WW2 as a huge thing to say oh look at this look at this and point the finger away from our own dark past.

I am proud of my heritage and also proud to have been born here and raised here, but I am utterly disgusted by the blood and stain upon my countries' history and the atrocity of what was committed against the Native Americans as well. I know America's hands are dirty enough but I would just like for once to accept that we were just as guilty as any other nation or anyone else in the world.

Yeah, Thanksgiving is probably the most disturbing holiday ever invented.

I think Earth Day takes the ckae. Hmmm, real good present for the earth. CO2 emissions and rainforest lumbering.

'I've been fighting off the urge to say this for a while now but I'm suprised that Jacob hasn't been banned for being a nazi'

Stop being a prick, how the Hell am i a Nazi? And even if i were, why would that justify my banning? Christ, you all preach about acceptance and ignorance, but when it comes to accepting somebody elses beliefs (and i'm not talking about mine, 'cos i personally don't buy into any of the Nazi shtuffs unless it focuses around what we've discussed in prior topics), beliefs that are quite conservative and controversial, you all begin to get prissy and have hissy fits. Screaming for a person to be banned, when you, of all people, deserve to be banned for starting flame wars in two friends that concluded in them being closed.

'Well, I believe in majority rule, and I think the majority of us don't approve of his posts.'

And you can stop being a prick, too. Exactly what don't you agree with? 'cos when it came to the Chav friend and i explained my views there, everybody seemed to accept that viewpoint. Or is it that i consider another persons views? Which, if anything, would make me the most open-minded person on this forum. I personally didn't agree with Dino advocating sex with children, but did you hear me preaching about it? Asking for him to be banned? No. So why on Earth should i, somebody who is merely contemplating the othersides point of view, get banned? Both you and Dino are immensely ignorant.

'Oh so nazis now have a right to express their ignorance in a form that can bother us all? Great. Next we'll be letting them gas jews, and we'll call it "freedom of expression".'

Stop being a moron (as opposed to a prick) and go sit down in the corner and think about what you just said. And no, you can't hum to yourself whilst you think!

'Well, we let the KKK squeek through. So I guess any damn thing is possible these days.'

And what exactly do the KKK advocate? And i suggest you do your research on this one before acting like a tosser and coming out with "Oh, they want to kill all none whites!!"

'Why do you think they're called Neo-Nazis? If they don't support Hitler/Nazis, they're not true Neo-Nazis, just racist.'

There are varying degress of Neo, from what i understand of it. You get the typical skin-head thug, as portrayed in nearly every film based upon Neoism or Nazism. And then you get the Neo's who believe that racial seperation should happen. And then you get the Neo's who believe that non-whites are "sub-human" and not evolved enough and we should thus use them for experimentation. There're probably more differing views, but the peeps i know (well, the female) though agreeing with Hitlers original ideas of keeping a bloodline pure, loathe the fact he turned to drugs towards the end of his rule and hated the atrocities he, alledgedly, commited.

^^ Here's an idea, how about you go **** yourself. And whethere or not you haven't noticed, the KKK are a whacko cult dedicated to committing atrocities against the gay, black, and jew community.

Jacob, how the hell are you not a nazi? When ever there is the merest mention of them you practically become wet and have a joygasm at the sight of an opportunity to tell us all once again how great nazis are.

You'd have to be blind to not notice your blatant support of nazis.

Uh, try; the fact that the nazis are inconsiderate racist homophobic xenophobic facist pigs. I don't think anyone would want that type of scum on their forum.

I express suprise at the fact that you haven't been banned yet and suddenly I'm screaming for a ban? I'd say that was exaggeration and misrepresentation on your part. If you can't argue this thing without resorting to propaganda Jacob, don't argue at all.

You "merely contemplate the other side's point of view" when it comes to nazis every single time they're brought up.

Hey Jacob, Dino called, he wants his line back.

Uhh, Dino, mawk wants his line back.

*brief moment of guilt, followed by smirk* Sorry! Kinda!

Jacob, where have you been getting those questions and answers from? I overlooked it if you ever mentioned where.

Mojo, love the quote. That's my stance on the expression of beliefs thing too. Freedom of speech applies to nazis too.

'Here's an idea, how about you go **** yourself. And whethere or not you haven't noticed, the KKK are a whacko cult dedicated to committing atrocities against the gay, black, and jew community.'

Jesus. Alexander. Christ. Seriously now, did your mother hire Louise Woodward to babysit you as a child? No, really, did she? Or have you just been spending too much time with Uncle Brad, your quite portly uncle who's prone to acts of violence and smells a bit like Whiskey and cigarettes ever since his wife ran off with his bestfriend?

'Jacob, how the hell are you not a nazi? When ever there is the merest mention of them you practically become wet and have a joygasm at the sight of an opportunity to tell us all once again how great nazis are.

You'd have to be blind to not notice your blatant support of nazis.'

Firstly, i don't see non-whites as sub-human.
Secondly, i don't believe we should experiment on non-whites.
Thirdly, i think what Himmler and Heydrich did was pretty poop.
Fourthly, i couldn't giveabothered about racial purity or differences.

I find it immensely pathetic that just because somebody has a differing point of view, you label them something they're not. That's like me still refering to you as an Emog, because i think the latest picturegraphs you posted are Bullshit. Or as a child molester, because you have an unnerving fascination with allowing sex with children...

'Uh, try; the fact that the nazis are inconsiderate racist homophobic xenophobic facist pigs. I don't think anyone would want that type of scum on their forum.'

Awww, it seems somebody cannot think from a point of view that "hasn't been forced upon them by society"...

'I express suprise at the fact that you haven't been banned yet and suddenly I'm screaming for a ban? I'd say that was exaggeration and misrepresentation on your part. If you can't argue this thing without resorting to propaganda Jacob, don't argue at all.'

Oh yeh, i apologise, i totally imagined that you went into a topic and bitched at the creator, got in a flame war with AFOS and caused the thread to get closed.

'Hey Jacob, Dino called, he wants his line back.'

Oh, i'll give him it back when he gives the five year old back.

'You "merely contemplate the other side's point of view" when it comes to nazis every single time they're brought up.'

I apologise, i'll try harder to be more narrow-minded when it comes to an unpopular group, be they political or other.

Dino, your prissy Emogness makes me chuckle, firstly you ask people to be open-minded to a sexuality that has been put in doubt by Science, and then show severe close-mindedness to something that can be questionable Scientifically. You also challenge the social norms of children and sex, and yet you won't challenge the norms of history. If you weren't so entertaining when it came to your little hissy fits, i would've probably left this forum long ago.

You vaguely remind me of Codek, except he was more prissy.

EDIT - Oh and for Amber Jesus' socks were hidden here

Aww, isn't that cute? He's using his childhood memories in his posts. And haven't you been spending too much time around intolerant racists who wish to wipe out several ethnicities? And who did YOUR mother hire to baby sit you? Joseph Mengele?

'And haven't you been spending too much time around intolerant racists who wish to wipe out several ethnicities?'

I forgot you knew my friends. But you do have a point, not on that they want to commit genocide, though.

'And who did YOUR mother hire to baby sit you? Joseph Mengele?'

Josef Mengele died in 1979. I was born in 1986. I'm trusting you to do the math, there.

Actually, know one knows if he's dead yet.

Both you guys need to leave him alone, he has every right to voice his opinion. Heck, a lot of what he's posted isn't even his opinion, but those of his friends. I will not be apart of a forum that does not respect freedom of speech.

'Actually, know one knows if he's dead yet.'

Where did you get that from?! Upon evading all forms of capture, he eventually died of a stroke whilst having a lil' swim in Brazil. His body was eventually found by Nazi hunters in '85 and DNA evidence confirmed it was him in '92.

Oh, and thanks Mojo!

That is what I heard and it is very possible to be Mengele. It is still believed he is still on the loose.