Ha! PA, your so funny.

Typical Left wing one sided arguement always supporting the bad guys! shakes head at your obsurd views! Hey guess what I am voteing for Bush because I am an evil Conservative Republican who is Christian who wants to make a liveing and not work at McDonalds for the rest of my life!

Dun dun dun! :devil:

What the hell are you talking about PA? Keep tis rubbish out of this thread, I might not support your raving about it, but still, a man died.

The bottom line here is the man was murdered and that will hunt the people who killed them forever!

I didn't say that. I'm just saying you're making such a fucking big deal out of one soldier dying. I never said that I didn't care, I'm just saying that it's not as big a deal as you make it out to be. A life shouldn't be lost like that, but yet, this one life lost is going to cause many more to be lost, if you want to believe every word that stupid fucker Bush says, then that's your choice, but I warn you, you're being very blind to what's really going on.

Hobo first of all the man wasn't a soldier he was over there trying to help out those people. Secondly its you the left who give nations like us a bad name. You give us a bad name while we are over there trying to give the Iraqis freedom and hope for a future. But when mother ****ers come out and start blowing them selves up we are not going to sit around and let that happen.

I can care less what Bush does I care about one thing and that is my country and my troops who are over there defending my country from a bunch of ass holes. I am a conservative who supports the United States and the Troops and ill be dammed to let that go to a bunch mother ****ers who want to kill us. In the name of all freedom God bless America!

Paramiteabe... :fuzblink:

First. Why would God Bless what is clearly the world's most evil country? Highest Pollution, The President's a blood lusting warmonger, You live there, Mc Donalds was started there, this has made people overweight and unhealthy, and run out any small restaurants in towns and cities allover the world. It's a craphole basically. Now I know I'm generalising, I know many good people come from America, and that not everyone supports Bush's 'Not My Problem' Attitude. And I commend them for it. They are the people who should be running the country. That's also why the west has a bad name, not because of people like me who believe that a life is still a life, Arab, American, British or whatever.

They're not defending you. That's what he claims they're doing. The US had info on 9/11. They didn't stop it. Why? They wanted to stir up trouble, they wanted a reason to turn the middle east into Greater Israel. Without giving a **** about who's living there now. I bet you didn't know that we created little old Iraq. Yes we did PA, you're going to learn a few things, we 'all so mighty westeners' instated Saddam Hussein, We sold him the bloody materials for nukes and chem. bombs. How dare anyone say that the war is to defend the west. It's to clear up the fucking mess that we made.

Facist.

I am not going to argue with you because its one sided.

And every single one of your arguements just scream out propaganda lovin' Twelve year old.

Hehe, Hobo speaks the word of truth. As soon as he hits PA with some facts, PA quits.

Lol, Esus.

As soon as you stop being an ass about it I am going to send my prayers out to that family because with the grace of God he will comfort them.

well, I'm not going to stop being an ass about it so you don't get to chant your idiotic prayers to your cult-like God.

Alright! Havoc is here to wreak some eh... Havoc in this tread...

Ok, down to bussines.
PA, I think your acting a bit rasistic right now. Iraq is not all bad just becouse some asshole's tried to be a dictator and shit, and becouse some of them kill soldiers of America. As said, Bush his predisessor was the one who asigned Saddam in the first place...

And second, America did have info on 9/11. Better yet (well, not better, you know what I mean), there are roumors that the USA triggerd those attacks on the twin towers them selfs... Im not confirming anything here, but just say the magic words and Il give you some reasons for those aleged beliefe's.
I once made a school project on the twin towers attacks so I still have all the info on paper :).

Too late I already have. And I prayed for you Esus in ways you can't possably understand. I prayed for everybody.

Hobo is right. I personally believe the war was a shambles I went to the anti-war protest in my area that protest was the largest protest of its kind. It shows you how many others believed the war was just full of political agendas.

The Al queda feel strongly about there cause and Iraq just popped in to it. There are allot of people from these that go to far for example Abu Hamza and men like him but they fight and are willing to die for what they believe in.

Personally i believe we are only dragging out the inevitable.

Yep all who was there was the left.

Explain what you mean please.

'Too late I already have. And I prayed for you Esus in ways you can't possably understand. I prayed for everybody.'

And when you die and go on to another world which is not Heaven nor Hell, we can all discuss who has had the better living life, can't we? The people who have lived it. Or you.

In all honesty quite a few of you are repeating what the Media has told you. And i can't blame you - because we get all information from the Media. The Media is basically the group that makes us make decisions. For all we know this Nick guy could've been raping little children. Now, this would make things completly difference since many would be like "Good job the f*cker died then.". We don't know the whole truth, and chances are we never will.

Can somebody please describe what happened to Nick please?

And in all honesty i think that the beheading could be one of two things -
1) Nick could have been taken hostage randomly so that AQ could say "Hey, leave or we'll...erm...yeh, we'll burn him!! Ooohhh...fire!!" however, upon hearing about the tortured Iraqi's thought "Meh, let's just kill him.".
or
2) Where going to kill somebody anyway, but instead used the whole tortured Iraqi thing as an excuse to do it. Thus making America look worse.

It does strike me perculiar however that the AQ [alledgedly] bomb and wipe out their people when doing suicide bombings and couldn't give a damn about them, but when it comes to killing an American it's all down to "Oh, but it's revenge. Because we love our people so much."

Great point.

I honestly think that that guy getting killed was horrible, but why is the media making it such a huge story? Why didn't they take this kind of approach when talking about soldiers geting killed? Well, it's because the manner in which this man was killed. Killed because of what our troops did. That's why it's a big story. Those men did this to send a message.

-oddguy

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It's true that we shouldn't be so shocked, it's just that in this particular instance, they're shoving it in our face so we can see how much they hate us, which brings the point to light. Bush calls this "The War on Terror." But nothing that we are currently doing is going to stop terrorism, indeed it may increase. Part of being a powerful country means that others will resent you for whatever reason, that's something you can never avoid. It's all in how you deal with it, and I think there are better ways to do so, ways that could at least reduce the frequency of terrorist attacks in the future. Of course if we really wanted to make an effort, we'd have to make some huge societal changes, like dumping our ridiculous worship of celebrities and athletes, and stop blowing tons of money on crap like plastic surgery and such things that ultimately mean nothing in life. I'm not a republican, or a democrat, I just try to use common sense, rather than be caught up in all the religious fervor, the over dramatic media, or the patriotic dogma.

But that goes back to what Alcar says about the media. It's all a bunch of sensationalist bull crap. Although it may seem... out of character... most of America is just as outraged at the treatment of the Iraqi prisoners as they are the beheading. The whole thing is really a commonly discussed topic now. I know this because I live in America (that wasn't meant to sound arrogant). I've actually heard people discussing these issues. Getting news from a paper or channel that may or may not know what they're talking about is one thing, actually experiencing it in your everyday life is another.

As for how Bush feels on the matter, I'm just as ignorant as you are. Who can say which country's media is "more right?" As far as I know, Bush has expressed disgust on the whole prison abuse scandal, but it was only Rumsfeld who publicly apologized (to the best of my knowledge). No one really knows what's going on in Bush's head; it doesn't matter which country you're in or what channel you watch or which paper you read.

As for defending my previous statement, it came from empathy, not patriotism. I feel sorry for the guy because his murder was made public. I feel equally sorry for the Iraqis that were humiliated at the hands of a bunch of negligent US troops. I'm not a "proud" American. This whole thing totally uber-sucks for both sides (whoa... can you say 'shift in tone?').

There was very little (if any) sarcasm/cynicism in that post. If anything seems like a "personal jab" or whatever, it was completely unintentional.

EDIT: Oh yeah... I, umm... like Alcar's theory on how no side is the "bad" side. I'm sure the Iraqis get fed the same kind of propaganda as the Americans... so... erm... kudos, Alcar. :|

EDIT2: And I also *heart* Alcar for correctly using 'empathize' instead of 'sympathize.' I hate it when people mess that up. On second thought, I hate Alcar. He took "The Cruel Angel's Thesis" as his custom title. That was supposed to be MY title. Prick.

The execution case is a sad thing. But I must agree with Searex here, I'm sorry. Just viewing our media doesn't show what dicussion goes on within the population. The execution is a brief topic. The humiliation is still a strong discussion. It's horrible, isn't it? That America isn't made up entirely of greedy slobs who are so full of patriotic shit they'll turn a blind eye to anything wrong with themselves? I'm so sorry to break the stereotypes here.

I don't quite understand what it'll take to get the message across. As much as you may want to believe, by reading headlines, generalizing off of online discussions, etc... we AREN'T that different from the rest of the world. Our government may be elected, but every person here has a unique opinion. There's problems here, sure. I just don't see where you're coming from with these accustions of extremist patriotism. I can talk to any of my friends, my teachers, my friends parents, etc... and most, if not all, are entirely different from the way you seem to assume public opinion is regarding national pride.

I'd have to agree with Majic...most people I know are ashamed of our country.

Of course, that's probably a side effect of the new trend of hating Bush.


EDIT:
Isn't it funny how whenever PA's losing an argument he brings in God, as if he's thinking "Ooh, you can't touch me now, I said I'm going to pray for them, and if you say anything else you're going to hell. I win!"

Heh.

I actually wouldn't mind. Turning to faith in order to omfort yourself in times of agression, depression, etc... isn't too bad a thing. Anything to keep a person acting normally is fine by me. I may not like all the lessons influenced by religion, but that of respect and dedication is something I see as good.

Mentioning that just makes him think he is more right. 'Persecution' against what he believes just makes him have more of a reason to rebel against what you think. Not that you're trying to persuade him to your thoughts, but I understand what you're saying. That is a lame tactic he uses and makes us Christians look like whimps.

-oddguy

Nah, I didn't mean it like that. Oddguy explained it a bit better above. I'm fine with it if he uses it for comfort, but it's the fact that he uses religion as a weapon in an argument in a really twisted way.

It's annoying, and makes people put Christians into a category of weirdos.

A common thing that makes Christians looks bad is how they raise their hands and cry and do all that showy praying. In the Bible it does say to lift up your voice high, but that is refering to lift your voice high unto God...not to make yourself a spectacle in front of others. It actually says to pray in private so that it's just between you and God.

-oddguy

Wow, those are a lot of reply's for just 8 hours or so!
Well... you have the normal cristians... normal cristian familiy's. And you have the heavely overdone one's. You kno, the one's claiming every little thing that happands in their live is directed by god and they also feel no shame in telling you that every 5 minutes. Those overdone cristians are the one's I realy well... hate is rather harsh but I can't find any other word.

PA, deep inside you know you've lost. You've resorted to acting immature. Just as a child hides behind his mother when scared, you use God and Bush as paternal shields. It's nothing knew, either. It always happens. You're too proud to admit you know jack all, and you're simply arguing for the side that brings you comfort of mind.

If God exists, he doesn't take sides. I'm outraged that you dare take the judgement of God into your own hands! You are ever the blasphemer, if ever I saw one.

Use your own brain, God gave you it to think with for yourself, to interpret the world he gave us, to explore. Don't rely on everything someone says. Don't believe everything you read in the Bible. The Bible was ultimately an interpretation of God's will, and so in turn we must interpret it ourselves. Then look even deeper, research the Kabbalah, the Tree of Life, and Sephirothism to name a few. Christianity is indeed a religion with many mysterious roots. It'll do good to broaden your knowledge, and not confine it.

But then, you would rather live a life comforted by a sense of false security. It's just easier that way, to believe everything is alright with the world. That everything your government does is justified.

Oh, and SeaRex. I love you *hearts and kisses*

Alcar...

Well... I personaly wouldn't mind using Bush as a shield... Then I would run straigt into combat with him :D.