I gots another question for you guys :D

--WARNING--
If you haven't played and completed Stranger's Wrath, you might not want to read this one..

What happened to Stranger's species? From the infomation in the game it seems as though they have been hunted for their heads, but what I don't under stand is by who? And how?!:fuzconf:

Secto had outlaws try for Stanger's head and had other heads at his office, but Stanger is just too much of a badass and kicked their butts, if Stranger can so it, why couldn't the others? The fact that the grubs say that Stanger looks smaller then the Olden Steef and had no horns (that one still puzzles me, maybe he already had an operation from the doc to get them removed?) implies that the Olden Steef was stronger, but I guess he got possessed so i'll let him off the hook. At one point there must have been lots of Steffs, why couldn't they team up and defend themselfs? How many people could possible want Steef heads? If there are Steefs in other parts of Oddworld, why didn't Stranger just travel there insted of going though the trouble of getting 20'000 mollah for an operation to remove 2 of his legs?

If anyone has answers, I will be greatful:fuzwink:

If the outlaws had indrustrial equipment, like guns and bombs, the Steefs would never stand a chance. Stranger is faster and can dodge better than others of his kind. That's how he's survived.

Who = anyone with a gun and no conscience who wants to make a bundle. Steef are rare animals, making them very expensive and an immensely impressive status symbol. Collectors like Sekto are willing to pay huge sums of Moolah.

Nobody knew he was a Steef until Raider depantsed him, so no one was hunting him with much conviction. With the promise of 20 000 Moolah, D. Caste Raider’s gang managed to capture him easily—​even Steef fall to a blow from an Outlaw Nailer. The only reason he managed to escape alive was because he was set free by the Grubb ambush.

They probably did, and they probably did a very good job considering, but a combination of habitat destruction and ongoing hunting from Clakkers, Outlaws and Wolvarks alike was clearly too much for the Steef population to thrive through.

What I think Stranger has that other Steef might not have had is his custom‐built crossbow.

Possibly, when the Steef population became too small, they all decided to go their separate ways. Together, they would have attracted attention. Maybe some went on the run, maybe others besides Stranger tried to fit into the ‘developed’ culture of the Mongo region.

The way I see it, Stranger’s plan to bring a Steef to Sekto doesn’t make any sense unless he knows where or how he can find another Steef. Thus there must, to his knowledge at least, be other Steef out there somewhere, but hiding from colonial and native populations alike.

Thanks for the answers Max.

I wish I could think as deeply about things as you can, I really do

Actually, I thought of two possibilities about Stranger offering the Steef to Sekto:
1. Stranger plain couldn't care less for anyone other than himself, and may have known where to get another Steef, or likely hiding places, and merely kill/trick them for his own needs.
2. Somehow use himself to trick Sekto, and grab the moolah and make a getaway.

His horns had been sawn off so that Sekto could get on. The horns were on his office wall.

Personally, I think anything that size attatched to your skull would have been more of a hindrance than anything else.

I figured that Steefs were very much loners, avoiding contact even within their own species unless it was really necessary.

I always figured Stanger was trying to get close to seckto, and eventually deal with him, for what he had done to the other steef.
I reckon like Munch, Steef are seen more like monsters, or more mythical or so, rather like a centuar (Which is an obvious insperation for his design) or unicorn (Except that no one would kill a unicorn, but I guess maybe that's the symboligy)
Also, Stranger was smart and hid away while the Steefs were being hunted, he desicuised himself and intended to get an operation, basically what Max said.
And I think Stranger is not the only Steef, and there would be no efforts in bringing them back as was done in MO, I think they would moreso reunite.

Thank you all who have responded to my questsion:fuzsmile:

As a reward, I gots another question for you guys :p

In Munch's Oddysee, i've heard some rumors about a secret ending called "Black quarma" that can only be optained by Killing every mudokon and every fuzzle in the game. But i've also heard that it is impossible to kill EVERY mudokon and fuzzle because there are some you have to save in order to get though the level.

I found this site that confirms that there is indeed a black quarma ending,

http://users.telenet.be/Dieter.Hanne..._killing_bonus

but im not sure how they could get the ending unless you can cheat. If anyone can answer this question im sure I could find it in my heart to think of another question :D

As far as I know you have to kill a certain amount to get black quarma like in AO and AE.

I have a question but I need to link two image. I don't know what places are these images, but I think they are an early version of Splinterz Manufacturing of MO on PS2. Am I right?





I don't want to post this in oddworld help because I need an quick answer. Thank you!

First one is an early concept for Magog Motors and the second one is a kind of bomb storage place, I'm not sure it has a name.

Thank you Xavier. But what are those strange characters that are killing the Mudokons?
And can I classify the second image as Splinterz, Magog Motors or others places?

The second image is the concept of a building seen in one of the early Munch's engine test, which can be found online (Abe throws a slig out of the top window).


As for those creatures... Max knows ;)

Aren't those creatures some kind of Meetle/Mug?

Once again, Max the Mug knows.

And Bullet Magnet, are you sure it is that building from the video? I remember the building having an association to explosives. (the windows have an image of a nuclear bomb on it)

The windows are different, yes. But it is a concept, and change is part of the iterative process. For comparison:

Okay, do you have idea how many that is? I want to try and get it but I don't want to get really far in the game to find out that I didn't kill enough thus having to start all over again.

A simple search has provided the following:

Thanks Nate but im afraid that hasn't answered my question about the black quarma...

I also realise that you can bring some muds back to life. Does that effect your quarma?

Only in MO. Freed mudokons, the natives (green, or painted warriors), do not count. Only scrubs (grey) and fuzzles can be saved and contribute to quarma.

Can anyone answer to my question? Please I need it :fuzblink::

Uhhhhhhh......I think the answer to your question is mug. Mugs are like meetles, but kill stuff.

No, it’s a guard tower. They have a generic design and are used throughout the region, as you can see for yourself:

Thank you Max, but why did you post the Vykkers Labs?

You can see them on the ground behind it.

So that building have not a classification in the early places of MO. Thank you very much :)!!!

I have a weird question :fuzzle:

I saw the link that Rayrockslots posted about the black quarma in MO, and it says on the news "Gluk Queen Gets New Lungs!" which they mean 'Lady Margret'
But I thought Lady Margret is too big to replace her lungs with Munch's.. or there is something I don't know?
also you can hear Humphrey talk to her by the phone in the bad ending

Here is a picture of her if you didn't see her before: http://oddworldlibrary.net/archives/...=CAMO0072.jpg3

If you know the answer, plase post it.. and if you don't, it's okay :)

That is merely one of the two conception arts, and probably the less canon one. The other one displays a much smaller queen, who's body is more lower body than upper. The upper body is not that much bigger than a Worker Class Glukkon's body, so the lungs can probably fit.

...Oooh, thank you for the information, Slaveless! I didn't know about that :D

Is there any possibility we can see this picture? Or is it in the Oddworld 1st 10 Years Art Book?
And about bringing back Natives in MO, if you bring all of them back after you've killed them I belive your Quarma is almost fully restored to before they were killed. However there will be a tiny dint that will be irreparable.

Yes they are both in the art book, which I strongley recogmend you get.
The other picture is her being carried by a certain race of creatures that lack a head, forgot their name.
I'm not sure if there is another, I know their is a sculpture of her head, which links in with the second picture.
And yes, you can hear her voice (Simply search MO movies in youtube, it should be there), altough to my memory it's more of a mock voice, as shown in cartons, you can't actually hear a real voice, or even determine what she is saying, it's more of a squigely squeek.

Sooo, if I kill em, bring them back, kill em (and so on..) I can lower my quarma by alot? If thats the way it works then getting the black quama should be no problem right? Sweet.:fuzgrin:

Another thing I forgot to mention but I think I already know, if I don't kill but just leave the scrubs, I wont lose any quama or I wont lose as much as I would for killing them right? :fuzconf:

The death of natives make no difference to your quarma, because they aren't actually dead in the game mechanic, merely out of action. Killing them will only make you feel evil, not be considered such.

Okay, im beginning to get very confused.:fuzconf: Can anybody tell me what I need to do to get the black quama. I've heard that you "can" get it by killing all the scrubs and fuzzles, but i've heard you "can't" get it because you have to resuce some fuzzles & scrubs to get though the game and if you can't lower you quama by killing the natives, what can be done to get my quama to the lowest level? I've been told that you have to kill a certain number like in AO and AE but I haven't been able to find out how many that is.

Im sorry that you guys have been trying to help and im still asking for help, but I haven't been able to find the answer anywhere and I really want this.:fuzblink:

Black quarma is killing all scrubs and fuzzles except for the very few that need to survive to give you quarma to open doors. That's it.

I don't know the numbers; just play the stinkin' game and find out for yourself. You want us to take out all the mystery from life?

I have a question. Can I see any image about Squeek or Squeek's Oddysee without the book? Or can I see the other Lady Margaret's image without the book?

You won't see squeek even with the book, nobody saw him yet
and the other pic of Margaret isn't available online, and won't be scanned sorry

An OWI said me I can see Squeek (and Nod :fuzconf:) in the book... but I believe you. But why nobody can't scan any page of the book?