It has only a bit to do with taste. Good/bad music is fairly easily quantifiable. Use this formula: Intent/Content/Execution. The execution of the intent is worth far more than just plain execution. Just because a person can play well, or fast doesn't make what they are playing good. For instance, if the most talented painter in the world paints nothing but big breasted women... well it probably isn't good art. Although, that does still depend on his intent. It certainly makes a difference if he is attempting to say something by painting pictures of women with big breasts (depending on what that something is).

I look at music as art. Not as mere entertainment. I will, repeat WILL let you know when you are pouring shit art into your ears. It's a public service.

Okay, that explains it a bit more. I think it's still better to have some music that just sounds good for no other reason than it sounding good.

There is plenty of music out there that is like that. Not every song has to have a statement, or be brilliant. I just require them to not be mind-numbingly stupid, is all.

That explains why the Offspring is not for you.


Seriously some of the most preachy shit ever, littered with some somewhat amusing songs.

I've been listening to Evanescence and Antonamasia more and more, dunno if anyone's heard of them, though. >.>

I have to stop coming in here.

Why is that?

LOL

also if you're getting into this whole art debarkle Matt, surely metal could be seen as low art ie dadaism or shit for the sake of being shit.

and I mean noise, come on. everything is art. entirely subjective.

THIS !!

Maybe it`s just me but I don`t find the need to delve to deeply into why I like
a song or a group for that matter. I just like it.
Don`t even need to relate that much.
Spend a shitload of time listening to older Blues and R&B tunes and have never been:

black
destitute
had " another mule kick`n in my stall"
a heroin addict
a fool fo yo britches (ahh, well maybe)
worried about " my raggedy ass ford"
concerned that "that man down there might be yo man, I don`t know"
stuck in Detroit with no job
stuck in Chicago with no job
stuck in Memphis with no job
remotely concerned about Smokestack Lighting, what ever the hell that is.

I have however, been commode-hugging-drunk in more than a couple of strange cities and once in Lubbock Tx. had a hulking roughneck show me his
Colt Commander to impress the point that he was not to keen on me dancing with his main squeeze.

Guess you don`t need the blues to dig the Blues ;)

being something has absolutely nothing to do with appreciating something

for instance, I might enjoy porngrind, but I don't fuck the open wounds of a recently deceased carcass.

My point exactly, and that`s good to know.:D

YES

AND

Music is whatever. Whether it is screaming or whining like a dying dolphin*. The only music I can't really stand is modern rap. And that is only because of that AWFUL VOICE EFFECT THAT IS IN EVERY SONG



*thom yorke lol

i actually have field recordings of dolphins/whales/narwhals, shits pretty awesome. hour long mp3s even.


bloopbloopWOWOWoowowWoWOWOwo......bloopbloop

I've not read the 22 pages of this topic so I'm not entirely sure about what the argument is at this time, although I'm just going to shove in the music to which I listen, and hope it sparks some strange debate or is relevant to a debate that is currently in progress.

I listen to:
Led Zeppelin
ZZ Top
Cake
Gorrilaz
Pendulum
Limp Bizkit
The Offspring

... and others I am unable to remember at this time.

Any form of self expression is art. Absolutely. I would never deny that. I'm merely saying that much of it is bad.

As for the whole shit for the sake of being shit, when it is that I can appreciate that. But I think that we both know that the vast majority of metal bands are dead fucking serious about it. You don't honestly think that Korn and Disturbed are being ironic, do you?

Most metal bands sound the exact same. Godsmack, Breaking Benjamin and Soil are fine examples.

I mostly listen to bands that's vocalist is unique in their performance, the lyrics are deep and of course, the gootarz.

That's all well and good, but most metal fans don't differentiate. Sure, they have their own individual tastes, some like it fast, some loud, some brutal, but in the end they are merely "metal" fans. They become so caught up in the genre that they miss all of this beautiful, important music that is being made elsewhere. Plus, there is so little music that comes from the metal community that is of any value, that I find it strange that otherwise intelligent people can't see it for what it is, and break away.

I assume that it has something to do with "belonging" to something, to "being about something". But is it worth belonging to? I'm sorry. It really isn't.

Please don't tell me you're clumping all of metal together. Grindcore and Prog metal are as different as hip hop and trance.

This.

There are fuck knows how many generas of metal. Sure its all under that blanket term, but some of them are just so different it's not even worth bunching it together like that. Totally different styles of music.

But yeah, OANST is sort of right. I like most metal, but it isn't by any means the be all and end all.

I'm concerned mostly with the culture of "I'm so angry" rock. Anyone who is genuinely as angry as these people appear to be are ridiculous morons who just haven't quite gotten the "I'm in charge of my own destiny" idea down yet. The ones who aren't genuinely that angry are worse. They are just cashing in on the angsty teenagers.

Some of it tongue in cheek, and some of it is genuinely honest and thoughtful. I get that. And I listen to that stuff, as well. But most of it isn't. 99 percent of it is fucking terrible.

there is the "I'm so angry" percentage of it (i'd say about 70%), but then there's the portion of "We don't take anything seriously" which'd be about 10%, and a further "We take ourselves very seriously and write soulful music" 20% group (19% wank).

Symphonic and progressive metal is what I can tolerate, because the emphasis on the singing is equal to the music, rather than just mindless screaming and growling.

Same. It's mostly 15 year old idiots who's minds have been taken in by 'hating everything', and frankly, it's pretty fucking pathetic.

Also, overlistened songs are annoying. Sure, when you were a few years younger the song was okay and tolerable, but now you have so many wankers listening to a particular song that's just...you know, get with the fucking times.

WOAH-OAH LIVINGONAPRAYER

Symphonic metal is ghey, I prefer mindless screaming (and only sometimes growling). The singing is most definitely not playing an equal part to the music, it is the lead instrument, you just think it's playing more of a part because it's all BAWWWWWW TUGGIN YO HEARTSTRINGS. it would be an integral part of the music if you couldn't tell it was a vocal part.



so I gave Prurient a go.. the noise is nice, the vocals however, are absolutely shocking.

these dudes get my favourite band of the month, holy fffffffuuuuuuuuuu

The only metal I like is Melodic Death Metal, and that's only because of Metalocalypse. It has gotten me into other bands, but I'm still wary of the genre.

Black Metal annoys me and idiot fucks like Varg and that guy he stabbed make it even worse for me.

The opening for Into the Water is probably one of my favorite parts of any bit of music.

I just LOVE it. Could anyone recommend me something similar that doesn't have growling?

Black metal is some of the only kind of metal I like. I like that hypnotic ambient stuff of Burzum, which sometimes I guess isn't really metal. Varg's music is actually pretty creative, it's just that he was a douche bag, but I don't judge musicians on whether they were good people or not.

I like how metal bands always have names that sound like something a dog would make if ate something sour.

Into The Water's intro is the best thing ever. The growling also doesn't bother me, because Brendon Small's growl is kind of "clean" sounding.

I like Folk Metal because it shafts Thatcher and violins give me a hard on.

An example is in order.

This is shallow pointless angst:
Taken from the first BFMV song I clicked on from Darklyrics.

This is poetic righteous indignation:
The latter is the type of metal I listen to, it is meaningful and thought provoking, the former is a bunch of kids with long hair playing with powerchords.

Look at mey guyz! I CAN HAZ DROP D!

Drop D is for Nu Metal, everyone else goes at least as low as drop C.

there's still powerchords all throughout folk metal, and:

http://www.bloodstock.uk.com/cpg/alb...metal-Band.gif

Yeah, every day I get closer to thinking 'The only metal bands I like are Skyclad, Blind Guardian, Symphony X, Iron Maiden, Sonata Arctica and Ayreon. Why on earth do I call myself a metal fan?'.

There was a point where the only Metal music I had was Dethklok and I called myself a metal fan.

Does anyone hear read Terrorizer? I don't, it just strikes me as a metal magazine with variety.

Dolly Rockers anybody?

What are you, 13?

..o

DETHKLOKDETHKLOKDETHKLOKDETHKLOK

I like music other than pop.

The Lonely Island, Mindless Self Indulgence, Marilyn Manson... er..... cock.

that's still pretty 13 yo there lil dude :) cute

http://images.payplay.fm/m/a/machine...chinedrum2.jpg

unnnnngggh this albums been giving me such raging boners