Yeah, don't get me wrong, it's a pretty horrible mindset, but it's one of a few explanations why you see posts like that all throughout the thread.

Also with how long the series is, and having watched a good chunk of it recently, I can safely say that there's enough up and down in the show to warrant those kind of comments while still being overall enjoyable to watch even though I can not watch it on my own for the life of me


E- I guess what I'm trying to say is those kinds of responses should be expected when you're talking about a show that's been around for so long and has so much variation in it while keeping the same general premise.

This is another thing I don't like about it. It's gone on too long already, and now they've invented a way for them to just keep having him regenerate forever. He used to have a finite number of regenerations. Now, he doesn't. That's dumb, and shows that they are much more interested in milking the show, and making money off of it than they are in telling a story.

They're not just going to cancel a show because of a rule made up thirty years ago, they're going to find a way around it. That's not the stupid bit, the stupid bit is how it was executed.

And the reason we carry on watching is because the episodes are still good (I'm not talking about the Christmas specials, of course), some are pretty bad but none are horrible. And also series 7 has had some fucking awesome episodes (Crimson Horror).

Do you really not see that you made my point for me?

I dunno. The dinosaurs in space episode was pretty irredeemable.

I...I am exactly in the camp Slogbait is talking about. I watch every week hoping the next episode will be better than the last before sitting there in disappointed apathy afterwards. I'm hoping Peter Capaldi & Co. are going to make it better next series otherwise I think I'm finally going to have to grow a spine and switch to Strictly. :P

wait whut

I thought the next series was going to be the last one. Didn't Moffat keep going on about how it has to end, that they're not going to pull any tricks?

heh

I'd always considered it a bit of a ballsy move considering its popularity. I guess I give the BBC more credit than they're due.

a camp isn't a camp without a gas stove and some sausages.

fucking too true.

There's a lot of bad episodes, but a lot of good ones, too. And most of the bad ones are only actually bad when compared to the best of the good ones. On any other show they'd count as being pretty okay. And even when you take in to account the irredeemably shit episodes, the good ones outweigh the bad ones enough to make it worth watching.

Also, bear in mind that we're fanboys. We bitch far more than we praise, even when we're feeling pretty happy.

He said a few things, but they were always ambiguous enough to allow for this possibility.

So how come the Doctor can regenerate forever now?

Because Steven Moffat is as damp as a flannel.

Not forever, just one more cycle, and the first has been used, so he has 11 regenerations left. I wonder how they're going to get out of it in another 50 years.

Do you think it will last 50 years from now?

Probably not. I don't think it'll finish anytime soon, but I think 50 years is a bit of a stretch.

I think the producers don't believe it as well. Or they just don't care

Well I just rewatched Day of the Doctor again and I noticed that Tom Baker says "revisiting a few" when talking about old faces. DOES THIS MEAN WE'LL GET MORE FOURTH DOCTOR BECAUSE IF THAT'S THE CASE I AM SO ON BOARD WITH THAT SHIT.

I think they're in the "here and now matters, worry about the future later" which is fine, I guess, Spielberg and Lucas didn't have Star Wars planned out from the beginning otherwise Luke wouldn't have tried to fuck his sister but that series turned out okay, I'm not talking about the prequels (Doctor Who is better than Star Wars) not that I hate Star Wars or anything.

Doctor Who is almost like something people should grow out of but don't. I watch it because I want it to be as new and exciting as it was when I was younger. I want to be able to gloss over the weak plots. I want to be taken by it again.

That's why every new season I go in with the highest of high hopes. Even if they're totally dashed, I keep watching because I know there'll be a new season, a new writer, a new Doctor that could totally make the show heaps better.

Moffat talking about leaving as showrunner, not ending the show. That came about as a rumour compiled from Smith's leaving and the running low on regenerations. I always assumed Capaldi would be the thirteenth regeneration, and that they wouldn't have to worry about new ones until his Doctor has saved Gallifrey and been awarded new regenerations by the Time Lords. It's been well established that they have the power to give regenerations, and even taken them away and give them to someone else, which is what the Valeyard tried to do to Six. The Valeyard, incidentally, was an entity born from the Doctor's final regeneration (produced in addition to the final Doctor) for some reason that comprised all his hate and self-loathing, and had no further regenerations of his own. I'm hoping they'll catch up with this end of that old storyline, especially given the Valeyard's similarity to the Dream Lord, whose episode would make excellent foreshadowing. A Dark Doctor would be an even more interesting villain than the Master.

Dr. Who has nothing on The Empire Strikes Back. Beyond that, I have no complaint with that statement. Of course, I wouldn't have a problem with saying that eating dog shit is better than Star Wars either, as long as we're leaving out Empire from the equation.

Well that was just my opinion. I can't get into Star Wars.

I like Star Wars for a lot of the same reasons I like Doctor Who actually

Ha ha ha

This is important, I think. For my parents' generation it was a cultural phenomenon that had huge impact on their childhoods. These are the people who are now in charge of, among other things, a large chunk of modern culture. Also television. People my age largely didn't grow up watching it except for rare reruns, having "endured" its silence. And strangely, a lot of us wished we did. I heard their stories about watching it as kids, and didn't give a damn. I even saw a few episodes when I was younger, and also didn't give a shit. And then when I heard it was coming back, making sure I never missed it became a sudden and surprising priority that never went away.

I think it's all about age. I happened to be at the right age to watch all 3 prequel films when they were new and I got really into Star Wars. I then went back and watch the sequels. (needless to say, they were 10 times better).

Hell, Star Wars got me into Sci-Fi.

I was also the right age to watch the 2005 Dr. Who reboot series. (holy shit I was 11...)

I first saw Star Wars before I could consciously remember things (my dad is a complete nut for Star Wars) and didn't get into it until the prequels started coming out years later. I didn't start watching Doctor Who until last year, and I'm currently 20. I like both of them for the same reasons.

I don't really think age has anything to do with it, but rather just personal interest.

You're right, age has nothing to do with it. I actually liked the old black and white Doctor Who's from the early 60s before I watched the new ones.
I was very easy to please.

I still am. I guess that if I'm investing my time in some for of entertainment, it just makes sense to find a way to enjoy myself while doing it.

What I was trying to say that you were the right age to watch them. Because it was very popular, everyone was talking about the films and the hype built up was immense.

I feel you get into things more when other people like your friends are into them as well.

While you're on the right lines, the reason I got into it was because my mum brought home copies of classic episodes that were free in the newspapers. She worked at Kwik-Save, you see, and decided to steal all of the six different Doctor Who DVDs from the papers, as she thought I'd like them. She was made manager there, I don't know how.

Whilst watching some episodes of Extras, I noticed that one of the characters was reading one of the very same papers that had the free Doctor Who DVD. The irritating thing was that the DVDs contained only one episode when classic stories usually take a few to tell the story.

It's weird, that very same shop I bought a wooden box because I like boxes and that is in my wardrobe right now, inside is several broken laser pointers (I like laser pointers), but the Doctor Who DVDs are nowhere to be seen. I think I gave them to my cousin after realising I wasn't going to get much more use out of the first episodes of 'Robots of Death', 'Earthshock', 'Spearhead From Space', 'Day of Armageddon', 'Rose' (which was the only new episode that was given out) and another one I can't remember.
A decision I now regret, realising that these were my first ever Doctor Who DVDs I collected, (a tradition which I adhere to even today), and that my cousin probably did something inane with them like see how many he could fit in the back of his broken TV. The reason for the TV being broken was actually my fault but I convinced him that he did it in his sleep, trying to fight away the burglars he was dreaming about.

To this day, the only one of those stories I've actually finished watching was Earthshock, and I'm glad, it's a very good story which I am proud to own. However, I would like to know how the Doctor got out of the room being filled with sand at the end of Robots of Death, snd why the robots were so mean anyway.

They never did find out that it was me who broke the tv, and I was glad because it got him grounded for a month, meaning I couldn't see or speak to him in that time, which very much a relief. Me and Joe don't really get on that well anymore, and I never did get my DVDs back. I do, however, own a large 5mW rechargeable green laser pointer. You can see the beam in daytime, it's really cool. Once I pointed it at a cat in a window across the block and it chased it.

Doctor Who played a large part in my life.