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I don't honestly give a fuck what you think, I have my opinion, you have yours.
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Methinks thou ist no researcher. Methinks thou didst lie.

Also, writing huge posts using pretentious language doesn't make your point seem more valid. It just makes you look like a douchebag.

doctor - actually, i'm not even going to call you doctor. dog-fucker. yeah, that seems better.

dog-fucker, write some sick bullshit novel about desperately humping your dog (and make sure you pour ALL of your finances into it. after all, the world must know its not a fucked up thing, right?) so that is doesn't sell, you can go bankrupt, your kids become ashamed of you (if they aren't already) and move on pretty sharpish, you have your house and all your possessions repossessed, end up on the street where you will have the dog you fucked and decided to tell people about sitting next to you, your only companion. then he'll probably shit in your lap and run off whilst your asleep.

thus ends doct- oh no, dog-fucker James Smith.
god sake. what is it with you?

tl;dr

Shut the fuck up, dog lover. You can't throw around pseudo-science and then talk about how wrong everyone else is.

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You're just egging him on, man. You know he is going to respond with a 17 paragraph essay about how illogical and bigoted you are. You have to realize that he is trying desperately to explain his own actions to himself as much as he is to us. Down deep he must realize how ridiculous it is to say that he is in a "relationship" with a creature that doesn't speak his language, has to be fed and bathed by him, and that would disappear forever if he made the mistake of leaving the gate open.

Edit: On second thought, that is the perfect relationship. I'm going to start fucking dogs. Or, at least a mentally handicapped foreigner.

Yet you ignore the issue by saying there is a creator or something, and he designed humans for humans; and dogs for dogs, and do you realise how insane that makes you?

Not as insane as somebody who thinks men and women are different species and that having sex with animals is somehow a quest for genetic improvement.

I am by no means a supporter of zoophillia. I don't demonise anyone who does it either but I don't think it's a good or natural thing to do.You love the animal like a person? That's fine. You wanna shag it? Not so good. Consent/enjoyment isn't anything like as easy to observe in animals as in humans, especially not when the animal is female- a male animal can be the fucker rather than the fuckee, after all. But even then consent can't be measured. You love your dog? Fine. You wanna shag it? I'm not going to stop you but neither am I going to suddenly go "Hey ho, you're right- sex with critters is the way to go!". And please stop harping on about it to us. This is not a forum for beastiality and despite numerous 1-topic-only members' attempts it isnt going to be one either.

Uh-oh. The doctor's back. He's going to blind us with science, guys.

But I know all your anti-zoo falsehoods already.

I wanted to find NEW opinion, I'm not here seeking judgement, ha, no I'm no mentally retarded moron like those who may have thought that; this is genuine research; you've got a very high ranking on Google for 'zoophile forum', get used to it.

So put pen to the paper and collaborate! Or I'm leaving you skin fuckers ;).

Since when was two-way pleasure bad?
Or do all we humans have to live slaving in the blood desert mines for the rest of our lives, castrated, before we steal some bread, and go to hell :D?

Well, TBH, I think you're very nasty people to deny your dogs a sex life.

I'll show you how my relationship turned into a sexual one, if you like...
1. We (me, my late wife and late son), bought a puppy, we fell in love; well I did, I said that the puppy shines like a star amongst the rest, like the brightest diamond amongst seemingly ore.
2. First, my son died, then my wife; heart-broken for many years.
3. Although living with my colleague, I and my dog grew a deeper and deeper bond.
4. Just an example of lying their at night, stroking my dog softly, as they enjoy it.
5. Despite my colleague's opposite sex dog, they never had sex; they became very much protective of me, as I was with them.
6. Being my love, I wanted to give them the most utter devotion of love, passion, and pleasure; I could see that they started to get sexual with me, I mean, beyond implying, pure explicit interaction, even beyond my consent and intent.
7. I didn't want it at first, I thought it was utterly gross; but I realised that they wanted to have passion; becoming more and more protective and hedonistic, I kissed, they liked it; we had sex, we both liked (they more, though, I should think).
8. I devoted my research into zoophilia for the last two decades with lots of evidence.

Now I can defend my opinion with extensive research; at the moment I'm just kind of surfing, give my opinion to the Top 10 in Google, in exchange for others.

What's the problem?

Drop the insults, and answer; you're only singing opera on fragile ground in an unchartered territory, at least WE know your older arguments, we just need new ones (so I can turn it on its head in my favour; the whole point of the ZU research group (backed by the Coming Soon film's funding (yeah, DevilHead totally don't know the difference, but funding is funding; may be reviewing just EFA and true zoophiles would help, never mind))).

I am very sorry to hear about the losses you suffered...

I know this may be a little off - topic. But from what i gather, you're only on this forum to discuss zoophilia.

Are you even an oddworld fan?

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Just because an animal is sexually mature doesn't mean you're allowed to have sex with it.

Sorry, didn't realize there was some divine power behind it all telling me what I can and can't do.

Humans having sex with anything other than humans is just... weird to be honest. It can't be classed as anything else to be frank - would a fish screw an antelope? Inter-species breeding just makes no sense! We aren't depriving our dogs a sex life - they can receive this from other dogs! Zoophilia is just bizarre and I am surprised that you think this way Dr. but if that is what floats your boat then i'll leave you to it...

ABM

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This may sound funny to you, but the only reason why you can't impregnate a dog is because we're not supposed to have sex with them, and therein reproduce.

Nice wall of text. Why can't you make a nice, concise argument?

Now, I don't give a dick about what sick fucks who have sex with animals do in their spare time to call it 'research.'

However, and this may come as a shock to you:
From the perspective of almost every culture, every people, scattered across this blue turd of a planet we got my point is the correct one.

Like I said, there's no arguing this. Hell, time was, you'd be locked up for committing what was properly titled 'an abomination' for doing the down and dirty with your dog.

What really gets my goat is that you think it's okay because the animal enjoys it, too.

You know what else dogs enjoy?
Playing Fetch.
Walking.
Socializing with other dogs.

Oh, then there's this little gem:

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Yet you ignore the issue by saying there is a creator or something, and he designed humans for humans; and dogs for dogs, and do you realise how insane that makes you?

Did I? Oh, no I didn't! I'm actually trying to keep the concept of intelligent design out of this so that maybe, maybe you won't pull a bullshit argument like It's okay to fuck dogs because there's no god.

You're so edgy!
Oh, wait, nope, you're just farting out of your mouth. Whoopsie.
Anyways, it's become obvious to the world of OWF that:
You're not a researcher.
You can't create an argument without shitting a novel into it.
Most of your points are wrong by default-no actual research required.
You actually catalog fucking different animals as beneath you (lol).
You haven't actually made an effort to denounce why my Experience working with animals pretty much dwarfs any excuse you make. That's a pretty big hole in your argument.

And seriously, you don't enjoy having sex with your dog? Bull-fucking-shit. If your life is so repetitive and boring that you violate other species out of habit you should probably rethink your current state of affairs.

You love your dog? You know what would be the right thing to do, then? Call an animal protection agency and give them your dog. Take counseling to see just what caused your fascination with dog-poon and never, ever touch another animal again.

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Sorry, didn't realize there was some divine power behind it all telling me what I can and can't do.

What, having sex with animals?
Well, you could always aspire not to be like the Doc here. I mean, that would be motivation enough.

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Other species copulate with different species all the time. This is usually by mistake, or in the case of certain toads, because they are so uncontrollably randy.

Our wonderful menagerie of hybrids is testimony to this.

please BM, you're feeding the doc.

EDIT: but it is interesting, BM.

Other species copulate with the wrong species all the time.

- BM

But as you said animals don't know/understand that this kind of thing is wrong, therefore the Dr. cannot justify screwing animals just because they do it.

ABM

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But they share some genetic code, right? You can't just smash a bird and a Koala together and get a beard.

Bear-d.

Also, I like The argument that he didn't get a warm welcome. Well, hell, just imagine what would happen if I went to a Zoophilia forum to throw a bullshit-ridden temper tantrum full of non-cited research and saying how everyone is wrong without backing up my arguments!

Surely right and wrong are subject to opinion, what you or I consider ethically right or wrong may not be the same as what another person considers to be right or wrong. I don't see what gives anyone the right to make an attack against another simply because of his/her sexual preference if they arn't hurting anyone (including his/her partner)

I'm with Munch's master, i am not a supporter of zoophilia. But i refuse to opress anyone who does support it, unless (like the case could be in any relationship) somebody is being hurt.

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- BM

But as you said animals don't know/understand that this kind of thing is wrong, therefore the Dr. cannot justify screwing animals just because they do it.

Nothing is right or wrong until humans, or some other species with similar concepts, comes blundering in and assigning right and wrong to this and that.

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But they share some genetic code, right? You can't just smash a bird and a Koala together and get a beard.

Bear-d.

They are similar enough that there can be viable offspring. Hell, they're similar enough that, mechanically, they can mate at all (an occasional problem within the dog species). When it comes to humans, though, chimpanzees are hard to come by. I dare say the situation in which such a union could occur with mutual consent is plausible, even without zoophilic inclinations.

Incidentally, the habitually bipedal and alarmingly human-like chimpanzee Oliver (determined to be all chimpanzee) was for years only ever sexually attracted to human females. This could be considered zoophilia.

I am justifying or vilifying nothing.

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I'll show you how my relationship turned into a sexual one, if you like...
1. We (me, my late wife and late son), bought a puppy, we fell in love; well I did, I said that the puppy shines like a star amongst the rest, like the brightest diamond amongst seemingly ore.
2. First, my son died, then my wife; heart-broken for many years.
3. Although living with my colleague, I and my dog grew a deeper and deeper bond.
4. Just an example of lying their at night, stroking my dog softly, as they enjoy it.
5. Despite my colleague's opposite sex dog, they never had sex; they became very much protective of me, as I was with them.
6. Being my love, I wanted to give them the most utter devotion of love, passion, and pleasure; I could see that they started to get sexual with me, I mean, beyond implying, pure explicit interaction, even beyond my consent and intent.
7. I didn't want it at first, I thought it was utterly gross; but I realised that they wanted to have passion; becoming more and more protective and hedonistic, I kissed, they liked it; we had sex, we both liked (they more, though, I should think).
8. I devoted my research into zoophilia for the last two decades with lots of evidence.

Oh dear god, he's right. This forum is shows up as the 5th result on Google for "zoophile forum". I'm so sorry, Alcar! I'm also laughing my ass off right here but that's besides the point.

Anyway, on topic:

First of all, my sympathy for what has happened to your wife and son. That must have been terrible to go through, I can not even begin to imagine and I have lost both my parents.

However I must say that the loss of your loved ones is a direct cause for your perceived relationship with your dog. Your life fell apart, your dog was the only company you had left and from there you saw what you wanted to see. You wanted companionship, someone to cuddle and stuff like that. The idea of doing the dog probably occurred to you early on when you were still grossed out by it. But in time, without realizing it, you started looking for excuses to not be grossed out by it. When the dog put it's head on your lap you could have perceived that as a sexual advance without even realizing it, though it may sound stupid, stuff like that does happen. More then likely you have grown into zoophilia because of that traumatic event.

From a realistic perspective here I can not imagine your dogs ever making any kind of advance on you that you could perceive as sexual. Unless the dog unzipped your pants and started licking your junk with a lot of dedication I think most of the advances came from you, not the dog.

I for one will not deny that zoophilia is a weird thing. Unnatural? Totally. A moral challenge? Absolutely. You won't ever see my trying to convince people to accept zoophilia as it is not something that should be accepted to the same degree as homosexuality or anything. It should, however, be understood and that's a completely different matter. Understanding why zoophiles are zoophiles, understanding that not everyone has a sexual relation with their animal. Understanding that sexual relations zoophiles do have with an animal are not abusive (in terms of hurting the animals mentally or physically). In turn we, being the zoophiles, have to understand that people, even if they don't care or accept it, will still be freaked out and disgusted by it. You won't ever change that nor should you want to.

As for turning into a zoophile, I don't think anyone is born that way. I think every zoophile has their own point in history where something triggered an extraordinary love for animals. For most this is something in their childhood where they grew up in a bad household with abusive parents or something and the only comfort they had was the dog or the cat. Trauma like that can manifest itself in many ways, including zoophilia. More often than not the love for animals comes directly from a trust issue with humans. Someone who has been molested in his younger years is not going to trust other humans as easily and will put their trust into animals instead because they are always there for comfort.

At the end of the day you are who you are, though. If through some twisted course of fate you started to love dogs then you shouldn't feel bad for it. As long as you are not hurting anyone you're not doing anything wrong in my opinion.

How you got something so sympathetic out of "My dogs were in heat, so I fucked 'em." is beyond me, Havoc.

How you can possibly justify your dogs getting it on with you without your consent proves that you don't have a bond, it proves that your dogs were raised poorly. They weren't shown who top dog was and now you have to pay the consequences for it. For most owners it's a matter of coaxing the dog inside but for others I guess it's violating animals.

Holy crap. We really are in the top four search results on Google.

Alcar...

I decided that it was unfair that the good doctor doesn't have a video expressing his views on the subject. So I made one.

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When in doubt...

Just add more perspective calculcations and sexualist insults?

Scratch that, do gay men see a vagina on their partner's anus?
Ah, no; because the guy he is fucking is a 'guy'.

Considering by latest theories (yes, NOTHING is evidential YET, so both you and me hold our OWN opinions; just by average they are different), that the sexes are different species, and shouldn't be classed as equal legally or biologically (so you can't change sex, and you can't change species either); unless of course, you honestly think they are the same...

So that means that two same-shelled species are floating around in ya' balls?

This may sound funny to you, but the only reason why you can't impregnate a dog is because you don't carry the two dog species (male and female) in your sperm. However, despite environmental and development boundaries, a forced scale could enable a third sex; but hey, may be zoophiles could have that in the future? After all, humans want to become better; surely that means, improve/change their species? No, you can't have it both ways.

Look laddies, I'm afraid to say you're only here now, because this successful system (out of many, by the way), we call 'sexual reproduction'; yet you find it mandatory to keep the species going, and use it as a pressing reason against zoophilia, however the fact that logically, it doesn't matter if we even stop having sex altogether and die out, does it? After all, for as long as you live your life to the fall; surely you are just confining yourselves to your traditions, which, by the way, religion has accelerated.

I don't honestly give a fuck what you think, I have my opinion, you have yours.

I just find it amazing to see how much immature conduct is constructed between the lot of you at this current moment. It is almost like you are brainwashed by the average theory. I mean, even the most professional scientists and philosophers (even like I), are sought to as having the 'superior opinion'; yet, what makes you think we do? We read from others studies, and this intellect has developed by historical sciences, not instantiated intelligence. Yet you say 'humans' are the only ones with superior 'intelligence', but you forget you model the word 'intelligence' to suit our understanding of exterior forces, which again, is by averages; and averages can go wrong.

Of course inter-species mating on the scale between a dog and a human is near enough impossible; but one thing you're missing is, despite this sounds abstracted, it relies on concepts as an average, and this abstract is born and put into your heads. Now, with my love towards my 'dog' (whom I handle 'dog', despite my disliking, because 'person' normally means 'human', in your eyes), I have broken the boundary, and realised how much we really model ourselves on bad-to-inherit intellectual bodies; and forget that the evidence found is purely data, and the information is purely perspective.

Yet you ignore the issue by saying there is a creator or something, and he designed humans for humans; and dogs for dogs, and do you realise how insane that makes you?

I only have sex because my dog likes it, in fact, I don't anymore, you know why I continue? Because 'they' like it. Zoophiles vary between homosexual and heterosexual; in fact, there's a lot more heterosexuals than homosexual, so it is a really bad idea to call it 'sick and sodom'.

All in all, you do say 'you've go nothing wrong with dog ', though the expletive says it all about your opinion. Now from the first expression, all you've made is insults, but could not explain any REAL reason, that it is anti-zoo, and not pro-zoo.

You speak as if I'm some sex-crazy animal fucking whore! And it is your direct 'implication' (may I say, as an oxymoron), that befalls your argument, as it really does go to show you know nothing, and you know what, I'm a doctor with lots and lots of research in this field, and I do.

I'll tell you, if you must know; I did purchase 'them', yes, and for certain, I had no intention of delivering my sexuality onto an non-human animal, just like you don't, right now, I should think, anyway. I fell in love, that love turned into passion, I just loved to give them pleasure, and you know what the best form of giving pleasure is? Sex, of course. It just 'happened', it's not like I put duct-tape round their legs and force myself for live-masturbatory purposes only, I love my dog, would you do it to YOUR partner? I most certainly hope not, there are rapists, in both non-human-to-human relationships (bestiality/zoosadism), and human-to-human relationships (just call it: - rape / brutal rape). Only rape makes the news, and the same goes for bestiality; why do you honestly think non-brutal activity would make the headlines? These bestialists don't make a good example for zoophiles, because bestialists, zoosadists and zoophiles are all zoosexual; just because we all have sex, doesn't mean we're all the same!

Now, if you fall in love with someone, what's wrong with devoting PLEASURE, NOT HARM to your beloved; it is love that drives me to lust, not the other way around. I just enjoy giving them that ultimate pleasure, after all, for as long as nobody is harmed in it all, who cares? And how dare you even suggest I'd harm my beloved!

And I don't fuck cats!

Sorry. It took a while for part 2 to upload.

So you fucked your dogs because you were grief-ridden. Awesome. Fucking magical.

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give me the source of your "research"

LOL OANST, how you managed to pull that entire thing with a straight face is beyond me but that was easily one of the coolest forum responses I've ever seen XD.

How you got something so sympathetic out of "My dogs were in heat, so I fucked 'em." is beyond me, Havoc.

Because there is a story to everything, including this. For example it seems that being an annoying brat who thinks he knows everything is a common trait for teenagers like you. For decades parents thought their kid was just an asshole by nature but then someone figured out that its just a phase and that there was a reason behind it all.

There's typically a reason for paedophilia in people. Does that make it acceptable?

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PUT YOUR PAW ON THE LEVER ROSIE

No it doesn't but at the very least you can put some effort into understanding what drives these people before you start condemning them to the 19th layer of hell. Also if you dig through this topic a bit I'm pretty sure you can find at least 60.000 arguments why you can't compare zoophilia and paedophilia.

Someone just please close this shithole of a thread.

OANST: What scares me is that you managed to recruit your wife to help out with the camerawork. What on earth was she thinking as you were reading that out?

Doctor James: Why do you even care what a bunch of teenagers on a video games forum think about you?

Hey, we're #4 on Google for zoophile forums. I wonder how completely unrelated to zoophilia the other sights from 5 and down get.

The only time that she came close to losing it was when I did the brutal rape part. She really liked that.

At this point, I'm all for the thread staying open. The forum has had too little activity of late.

Edit: I promise that I won't become a massive camwhore and continuously post things like this. I was just having a lot of fucking fun.

post them in blogs

they are good

Also, Havoc. I refuse to read this thread. Sorry. Could you give me a few of those reasons?