Wasn't he getting his back two legs removed so no one hunted him down for being a Steef? I'm not so sure, I haven't played SW in ages.

He's also the one in the AE opening in the desert that starts off saying "Abe, you're the greatest" then spends the rest of the hike complaining.

I forgot how much Alf appears. I wish he had some sort of thing that made him different from the other Muds.

I feel lame for going out on such a small aspect, but wasn't Alf's voice the Donald Duck-ish/Master Shake-ish one and not the high pitched screetchy one that you said it was?

I noticed he had a lisp. I love his voice, it's so different from the other muds.

Huh? Talk to me about dialog, not vague descriptions of voices.

What did he mean?

What the hell is that meant to mean, Alex?

P. 230: I think everyone assumed they had two legs...good point, though. I think the extra foot sorta shows this it would have two legs, unless it just has two large toes...gah...I think they're meant to have two, though, and it looks more like two seperate shoes/feet, rather than a single one. Just a bad angle. I also not that a creature rather similar to a Chronicler is on page 27, it is in a similar pose, is little muscled, has a cape in the same way and 4 arms. Maybe this is what developed into the Chronicler? If so, it has two legs.
Also, is that a leaf poking out of the Chronicler's hat? Or whut?

P. 26: Way to muscled for a Slig, it has 4 eyes, and the mouth is wrong. I suppose it was an idea for another creature. Interestingly, though, for some reason it has an odd groove down it's back, and where would those tattoos have come from? Perhaps it would be like a herbiverous dog or something to the Mudokons. We can't be sure there, but an interesting concept.

Thanks a bunch. And I just noticed the leaf thing. What the hell is it? Maybe his hat is magical and that's a leg of a new creature! Or I could be wrong.

Taking a look at p260, I'm pretty sure the Chronicler only has one leg with a cleft foot. The whatchamacallit strap that holds his socks up looks definately like it's going around a single, whole leg rather than one of two. Also, remember that that picture is a production design to show what a character looks like - the designer wouldn't intentionally make it misleading.

I think you are right, Nate!

You have a point, Nate...I just find it hard to imagine it hopping around, trying to look dignified like a laywer.

It's hardly a convincing pose to show if it has one leg, either, if it has such a cleft foot like that, otherwise we wouldn't be confused like this in the first place.. Maybe we should send an email somepoint to...what was it, help@oddworld.com or whatever it was? Obviously with a few other questions with it, but it would really help a bunch with questions such as these that are generally hard to answer, because there's no official info other than awkwardly posed images or whatever.

Sorry this is a double post, but this a massive theory I came up with. Well, not that massive, but intriqueing nonetheless.

I had a look at the colour wheel and compared it to Rupturefarms products. Opposite of green is red. The Scrab Cakes poster uses a green Scrab, and real Scrabs are red. A similar thing happens with Paramite Pies. Real Paramites are a sortof blueish grey colour. Opposite of a more grey-blue shade (looking at a more detailed colour wheel, here: http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~psyc351/...olorWheel2.jpg) is orange, which was used for the Paramite Pies poster. Could it be that, since the Meech Munchies packet is red, the opposite is green? Could Meeches have been green? A far fetched thought, maybe, but the way it adds up is interesting, and if this is the way oddworld Inahbitants decided the colours for their posters...

Also, could someone verify what the questions to OWI email was? It was in a thread a while ago, but all the old threads keep being deleted for some reason. Which is bad. And such. I want to ask them what colour Meeches were going to be (or are).

Look at the bottom of the forum at the Display Options. Change the 'From The'' box to display more threads than ones from the last month.

The only threads we delete are the ones that are pure spam.

...

*beats self*

EDIT: I still can't seem to find what the exact email address was, I remember the thread, and it worked. Does anyone else remember what it was? I think it may have just been help@oddworld.com, but I don't know for sure.

I must ask them for the colour of Meeches and whether Chroniclers have 1 or 2 legs. Maybe some other stuff while I'm at it.

Interesting find Zerox, OWI have been clever with this.
Also, I think it's info@oddworld.com.

Thx, I'll try it and tell you what the reply is (provided I get one).

Well when I sent them an email about a month or two ago, they replied and said they were still there. So you should get an email back in a couple of days.

Probably an obvious answer, but: what is the creature on the face monitor of the Shrink? It looks facially like a Mudokon/ one of the Weirdos, but the bio on the Oddworld site says it is Vykker AI. Which is it?

I think it's Mudokon, but it probably changes its face depending on the patient, or because the Shrinks normally tend to Sam, their Mudokon faces may be permanent for practicality.

One question. Does OWI still send out Christmas cards?

There hasn't been one since before Stranger came out.

Alright guys, here is the answer I got:
Veru reassuring to see they appear to still be going (with hopes of Meeches being seen in game someday). Also, I'm rather surprised at how much info I was given on the Meeches. My hunch on them being green was at the very least partly correct! Yay!

Ha, Chroniclers do have two legs :P

Thanks for posting the answer Zerox! I like the part about them saying they want to show what they'll be like in-game. It shows lots of hope! :)

Lol, Zerox's name is Fred.

wow this is surprising!

maybe they changed the design :p

They must have. The Chronicler concepts (including an earlier one that has since been lost) both showed them with a singular leg.

Its artificial intelligence is made by the Vykkers. Its face is clearly Mudokon in the ‘Guardian Angel’ video. I imagine its face changes to suit the occasion/company.

The Shrink that confronts Abe isn’t the same one that tends to Sam. They don’t ship those things around, you know. It’s cheaper to chuck ’em out when they’re not needed and build new ones where they’re needed.

Plus Sam has multiple Shrinks attending to her. They want freedom, c'ause they hate her.

That’s only in a production painting. Details could have changed. Then again, the description of the Shrink was quickly removed, and could also have changed. We likely can’t be certain of the canon until the Munch’s Oddysee film.

Actually, you can vaguely see the two legs on the Chronicler.

The first way to tell is just by looking at the strange design. The Chronicler would have a rather odd way of moving that does not seem logical if it had one leg. The knee cap is pointing forward, much like our own. Now, I have tried to move in such a way and it does not seem very fitting. They could move like Abe (in his own games, excluding MO), where you jump and find your balance. I can't imagine how a species design is live like that. The species would be doomed due to its vuneribility and slow movement. It also could take short jumps, where you move a little forward and jump more in the air. That takes a long time to get anywhere on land. Of course, if the Chronicler lived behind a desk, I could see how they would survive. Underwater, maybe, but still. Chroniclers who seem to be on land now, had the ability to grow another pair of arms, why not another leg? If the Chroniclers had one leg in the design shown in the The Art of Oddworld Inhabitants: 1994-2004, I couldn't see too much logic.

Also, if you looked at the shadow of the Chroniclers design, you see a seperation between the two legs around the knee cap area.

Just seeing the words 'Munch's Oddysee film' puts chills down my spine.

About the Shrink/s hating Sam, I don't think they hate her, just their job. A psychiatrist who didn't care about their patient wouldn't be very helpful or effective, and the Vykkers would at least try to make their creation worth making. They wouldn't want to waste their precious moolah on something that didn't work.

Not necessarily; a good psychologist would be able to do his/her job irrespective of his/her opinion of the patient. In particular, the Shrink is operating under the fear that if it doesn't help Sam it will be shut down and replaced.

Oddworld Moon
 

Hi guys.

I know i only have like, 3 posts and all of them are asking for something (I'll try to be a more active member from now) but i was wondering, does anyone know where i can get a 1024x768 wallpaper of the oddworld moon (Abe's paw). I tried TOGG but it wasnt big enough. Thanks people!

There ent anything that big. If there were, it would be on TOGG in a flash.

/me moves this to General Discussion, then to Q&A.

I have another question. I may have asked this before, but.... Were Necrum Mines (I mean the Industery) made immediantly after Rupture Farms went down? Because in the The Oddworld Library it explains it that way. It just does not make sense to me at all.

Supposedly, yes they were. The point was that, in destroying RuptureFarms, Abe deprived SoulStorm Brewery of its primary source of Mudokon bones. In this way he was, although not intentionally, responsible for the destruction of Necrum.

All this wasn’t made clear in the game, but it was mentioned in interviews and previews. It’s part of Abe’s character that his good intentions often have unforeseen and undesirable outcomes. It’s a lesson to those of us that want to remove the heartlessness from capitalism: know thine enemy!

But surely that conflicts with the timeline that shows Abe heading to Necrum the day after returning from RuptureFarms? The mines are huge - they could not have been set up in one day. What's more, Mudokon Pops are a new recipe, given that they were only presented to the RF shareholders at the beginning of the game, which implies they had not yet started production. Sure, some bones would have still come from the muds killed in workplace 'accidents' but it's unlikely that the primary source of brew bones would have been from RuptureFarms.

It doesn’t explicitly say when Abe set off for Necrum, it just says it took a day’s walking to get there. And don’t forget the LED screen that boasts ‘only’ 1 236 work‐related accidents that month. Maybe they weren’t all casualties, but maybe it wasn’t yet the end of the month.

It may not have originally Mudokon bones that were supplied for Soulstorm Brew (it is not specified on the bottles or anything), and all the corporate slander everywhere could be very misleading to each other with lies and stuff. It may just have seemed logical that, after one bone source was gone, that since they only wanted bones and didn't want to bother with meat, to go to Necrum.
We don't know how long things take to build in Oddworld, and it may have been quite a while before Abe left for the mines (given the rather large increase in his ability to possess things, as he's suddenly able to get Paramites, Scrabs, the works), so that would have given time for some construction. It's obviously not 100% complete perhaps, there's still alot of scaffolding present, and lots of stone showing up in the walls, which I'd have thought would have eventually been covered over with metal, but I can't be sure in that respect.

Perhaps work related accidents may include Sligs too? Though that's still a ridiculous figure. It seems more of a sort of joke than literal, but nonetheless...

@Zerox: My explamation for Abe's sudden ability to possess new creatures is related to his hand prints. They made him have a more powerful chant, as Abe said. It could simply imply that not also did he have the ability to become Shrykull, but possess the creatures he had just overcame.

@Max: That still doesn't explain some things. Like how come the blind Mudokons appear that they been inside the mines for months, not simply over a day. There are normal Mudokons in there which I doubt they had just arrived to the Mines only a few minutes before. Another thing is that it wouldn't seem like that straight after Abe had eliminated Rupture Farms, the SoulStorm Mines began. It would seem like that, since shortly after Abe got into the Monsasic Temple, the spirits said that their bones were being taken away. One last thing is that the SoulStorm Mines has a sign that says it is under new mangement. That wouldn't make sense if it just opened.