Also, on the OW games whenever Abe dies a load of birds appear and when you start again in an area he appears from the birds, they must
have something to do with birds

I presume it was generally just an easy way to have Abe reappear and for the portals.
But I do see your point, it adds to the theory.
Mudokons are also very fragile and break easily, as it were.

And Abe is able to lift other mudokons with little effort, and birds are light weight because their bones are somewhat hollow.

But just look at his muscles. He may be scrawny, but he could beat me in an arm wrestle. The bird portal thing is mysticism/magic, and I can't really see how that is evidence for such an evolutionary pathway, their feet don't seem to correlate with birds... the only thing I can see is the fingers in the hands, but that is assuming Oddworld birds are like that, and given the glimpses I've seen of them, I doubt it.

Small correction: feather‐like hair.

From an interview with Lorne in May 2000, in which he said ‘It’s interesting to note that the Mudokon themselves are evolved from birds.’

Okay. Did he specify what kind?

Presumably one that we've never seen or heard of.

Now I know why they call it Oddworld... But for some reason, they can still be explained. lol

That’s all he said.

Just think of the typical bird form through to a Mudokon and you can see it. Powerful wing muscles retained as they evolve into arms, which therefore are slightly different. Also, the wing powering muscles left over that were attached to the breastbone are still there, you can see them stretched across a Mudokons' chest. Their skull structure also slightly correlates, notably the jaw.
I presume Muodkons evolved from some sort of ground bird, so there wasn't the power of flight to worry about when evolving arms instead, and the bird was still well equipped enough to survive after wing loss, or for that matter, even more so.

I suppose it's just my biologist instincts kicking in, but without any ancestral forms to study, it is hard (impossible) to identify any homologous features from which I can work from... is all.

Mudokons have weird black lines on their backs, maybe this is where wings were once?

The wings would have been their arms... I'm not sure what you mean by black lines- do you mean where the bones show through?

Trivia treat for today: when the first images of Clakkers appeared, their bird‐like appearance made us think they were relatively closely related to Mudokons.

Clakkers suck.
Jordan Boi, those are just grooves in their backs between vertabrae and ribs sort of thing.

Oh right! Clakkers DO suck lol, I love to shoot fuzzles at them!

I started liking the Clakkers when I first heard their voice at the end of the SW trailer. It just had the Oddworld quality that (in my eyes) validated the species.

I mean, there are bugs and birds and bats and other organisms on Oddworld which are very similar to their Earth counterparts, but make one 5 feet tall and sapient, and suddenly it's a bad thing.

If you look at their concept art, they do look rather more... demonic.

I like grubbs a lot better, they remind me a LOT of Mudokons, and their voices are so cute and lispy! Are they supposed to be fish people or something?

They did indeed evolve from fish. Also, notice the similarity of the words ‘Grubb’ and ‘guppy’.

Yeah, I see! Grubby, Gupp, lolness! In the SW opening movie how come they were all looking at that freaky fish, were they going to eat it or were they just praising it or something?

Grubbs eat fish. The fact there was only one, small fish was really an example of their plight: with the river dried up, they had no food.

Yeah Secto dammed up the river and that one little stream is all that makes it to the village.
Do the clackerz trade with the magog cartel or do they have their own buisness and factories?

You know, that's a very interesting question! Well Clakkerz are pretty hot-headed, they'd probably want to do things from their own businesses so they don't mix with the wrong crowds, of course, I could be wrong!

I'm going to give that a no. The Clakkerz are sort of like the representation of what kind of happened in the Old West in the colonization stages in the US. Everyone was colonizing by themselves, so everyone had to make everything by themselves. The Clakkerz seemed to have already done that. They farm their own stuff, so I guess that the Clakkerz didn't have a need for Magog Cartel products. I also would guess there would be a factory formed by some Glukkon if there was products being sent to the Mongo Valley.

I do agree with you guys, I'm not sure Clakkerz are big consumers of the Cartel's products.
But not seeing a factory around is not a proof, the FeeCo trains are there to ship all the Cartel's products to every consumer.

I presume Clakkerz MUST buy the few things they own (tv etc.) from somewhere, presumably mostly second hand stuff from maybe poorer Glukkons in markets or something. They're sorta like...gyspys, or hippies or something, in the sense of how they live i.e. in the caravan.
Would richer, more high up class Clakkerz live in towns, which have a less western accent than the somewhat poorer ones living out in the drier areas?

Possible spoiler?



Well, the Clakkerz in New Yolk city seem the same as those everywhere else to me...
Would the Glukkons actually want to be in business with Clakkerz? They're pretty annoying.

The Clakkerz have moolah. Of course the Glukkons would want business with them.

I wouldn't put it past them to have employed outlaws to rob them regularly so that the Glukkons can sell the same products right back to them.

Do the Mudokons have any kind of buisness? I mean, other than Alf's Rehab and Tea...

they don't realy have a buisness, at least not the one we saw now

okay. thank you. I just didn't know if they had one hiding somewhere or not...;)

well Lorne hinted at some much less spiritual mudokons

The native mudokons can be considered to be living a tribal/communal society. Everything done is for the good of the tribe rather than the individual, especially seeing as there are few native jobs that can be acheived by one mud alone (eg hunting, herding, farming...).

I think we've herd of mudokons who live consumer (khanzumer?) lifestyles in the big cities, so presumably they must earn moolah somewhere.

Whenever I hear the word sapient, all I can imagine now is the sapient pearwood treasure chest from the Discworld novels. So now I have a cross between a clakker and a wooden chest with legs in my mind. Thank you Bullet.

And i'd imagine the Khanzumer Mudokons where the construction worker type ones shown in the 'Land Muggers' concept art from Hand of Odd, or similar in that they are voluntary workjers, not slaves.

Well, that is the correct application of the word "sapient". Too often is the term "sentient" mistakenly applied instead.

Indeed, Bullet, indeed.
New Yolk City? Was that mentioned in MO or summat?

It's a town in Strangers Wrath.

Oh, kthxbye.

Here's a question I've had on my mind.

Is Molluck a Glockstar or Big Cheese? I heard somewhere he was a GLockstar without the suit, but, I don't know.