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Varstahl 03-15-2017 05:44 AM

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Got this too late? XD sorry, just noticed on the trailer

http://i.imgur.com/T3kNHD5.png

Where did you find this? We could try a frequency attack on it, but I'm kind of rusty.

Actually never mind, a frequency attack is impossible on this, looks more like an alphabet.

STM 03-15-2017 06:20 AM

I'm updating as I go along but using the blind alphabets masterpost above I'm coming up with the following:

=NORMAL=

N? ? ?? WS?????? S?? ??? ???? ?????

=FLIPPED=

?N?R? KL?C ??M ??? ?????K?? ?? ? ??


I'll edit as I go along but I'm at work so I can only really work it out intermittently. If anyone wants to take over please do so!

Shade_Meadows 03-15-2017 08:03 AM

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Where did you find this? We could try a frequency attack on it, but I'm kind of rusty.

Actually never mind, a frequency attack is impossible on this, looks more like an alphabet.

Oh! here is where it comes from, it's from the new teaser (it's on for literally ONE frame):
http://i.imgur.com/dfiDRsq.png

Varstahl 03-15-2017 08:26 AM

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Oh! here is where it comes from, it's from the new teaser (it's on for literally ONE frame):
http://i.imgur.com/dfiDRsq.png

I'll be damned, I check the entire clip frame by frame, especially the zoom/pans which looked quite suspicious, didn't see it. at all. I'll see if I can enhance it.

Shade_Meadows 03-15-2017 08:28 AM

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I'll be damned, I check the entire clip frame by frame, especially the zoom/pans which looked quite suspicious, didn't see it. at all. I'll see if I can enhance it.

I'm aways happy to help with stuff XD i can't solve puzzles, but damn if i can't find secrets! >:)
i saw the clip frame by frame, i only saw this and some squares at the end...
(and many "old film" disturbances)
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Varstahl 03-15-2017 09:35 AM

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I'm aways happy to help with stuff XD i can't solve puzzles, but damn if i can't find secrets! >:)
i saw the clip frame by frame, i only saw this and some squares at the end...
(and many "old film" disturbances)
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I must have passed by that frame alone 2-3 times last night, didn't see it. Same today, tried again, nothing. Frame by frame, my eye just wouldn't notice it, go figure. Anyway…

http://i.imgur.com/WxM2i5t.png
Full version available…

I've been trying to enhance it as best I could, I've tried some frequency separation, noise removal, and then manually traced it with a brush. Coloured grey the areas I'm not too sure about, but this seems about right.

It's strange though, I keep getting the feeling that if we cut it in half and/or mirror it it will match something. It's like I know at least half those glyphs, but I can't figure where from.

manny786 03-15-2017 09:58 AM

http://i.imgur.com/9cjezg0.png
Here's what I have so far.

Hi guys! Newcomer here to the forums and ARG'ing. I've put the glyphs and tried to translate them as best as I could and from what I've seen I'm guessing that there's a message we have to decypher once more...

NJ ??D WSQWCDIB SNJ YWU GD PQMZDIB

Unfortunately I had some difficulty trying to figure out what some symbols meant. Since I couldn't find the glyphs for Z and J, I used two of the glyphs I found in the new message and made them stand for J and Z (but since I don't know if they're the real translations they can be interchangable).

I tried to mirror the glyphs to see if it needed to be flipped the right way around but it only seems to have made things worse. However because of the way the glyphs are the message did change but a lot of it is missing translation.

Shade_Meadows 03-15-2017 09:59 AM

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I must have passed by that frame alone 2-3 times last night, didn't see it. Same today, tried again, nothing. Frame by frame, my eye just wouldn't notice it, go figure. Anyway…

http://i.imgur.com/WxM2i5t.png
Full version available…

I've been trying to enhance it as best I could, I've tried some frequency separation, noise removal, and then manually traced it with a brush. Coloured grey the areas I'm not too sure about, but this seems about right.

It's strange though, I keep getting the feeling that if we cut it in half and/or mirror it it will match something. It's like I know at least half those glyphs, but I can't figure where from.

Well... OddWorld is getting sneakier

Shade_Meadows 03-15-2017 10:00 AM

Wait... so it's a cipher that translate to a cipher?

Nemin 03-15-2017 10:03 AM

I used OrangeLightning's alphabet, but I had no luck:

Original: NM ??? WS?OCDI? SNM ??? G?T????S
Flipped: ??????K? ?C ??? OI? HN?GMK?? ??? DI

Varstahl 03-15-2017 10:54 AM

Supposing it's a substitution cipher, and supposing the alphabet follows the same rules of the previous iteration, I started working on a reduction of the problem, shown here:

http://i.imgur.com/eXzxNi4.png

It assumes that the flat position is the first, and that the glyphs rotate 45° for every letter. So, "in theory", finding those 4-5 key letters should give us the alphabet to decrypt it all.

Pardon the rough mouse drawings, trying to update you guys as I go…

Wiese 03-15-2017 11:00 AM

Hey, I am new here!
Just found two more codes in the clip.
See you in a few minutes :D

Nemin 03-15-2017 11:07 AM

Mind sharing it with us please? Maybe we will have more luck with those.

Wiese 03-15-2017 11:09 AM

here are the codes I found. I'll try to clear them up a bit!
https://sharepic.moe/img/OKLv6.png

https://sharepic.moe/img/yBg5L.png

Varstahl 03-15-2017 11:21 AM

--. -.. .--. --.- --- .--- / --.- -.- / --.- -.-. --- / -... -.-. -.- --. --.- .--. / -.. --- / --.- -.- --- / --- - -

GDPQOJ/QK/QCO/BCKGQP/DO/QKO/OTT

Unless I'm mistaken.

I'm starting to wonder if they're red herrings.

Nemin 03-15-2017 11:23 AM

Awesome man, nice job!

The Morse code reads: GDPQOJ QK QCO BCKGQP DO QKO OTT
I assume this needs to be deciphered.

Shade_Meadows 03-15-2017 11:36 AM

Wow, more codes than i thought! ;D and i analyzed it so cautiously! happy to see more codes!
YAY ODD COMMUNITY!

Shade_Meadows 03-15-2017 11:36 AM

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--. -.. .--. --.- --- .--- / --.- -.- / --.- -.-. --- / -... -.-. -.- --. --.- .--. / -.. --- / --.- -.- --- / --- - -

GDPQOJ/QK/QCO/BCKGQP/DO/QKO/OTT

Unless I'm mistaken.

I'm starting to wonder if they're red herrings.

I don't think they would do this... it seems weird for them, have they done this before? don't match their MO
:)

Varstahl 03-15-2017 11:38 AM

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I don't think they would do this... it seems weird for them, have they done this before? don't match their MO
:)

No idea, I'm quite new.

By the way, the other screenshot looks like pigpen, and I still have no idea about the first substitution algo… let's see if some dinner will help the thinking :P

Nemin 03-15-2017 11:41 AM

Ok the Morse isn't Caesar-cipher. I cycled trough all the possible shifts.

Xavier 03-15-2017 12:43 PM

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here are the codes I found. I'll try to clear them up a bit!
https://sharepic.moe/img/OKLv6.png

https://sharepic.moe/img/yBg5L.png

Nicely​ found, the second code looks like Pigpen again.

Varstahl 03-15-2017 12:52 PM

I've tried several things on the first glyphs found, including rotating them 180°. Using the regular alphabet I just get out

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NM OU WSQOCDIB SNM YO? GD TMQADIS <-- regular
WIHEMQY HC YKU MNW FNHGKMWSYKMN  <-- 180°

Perhaps the morse and mud languages have to be Vigenèred? They're roughly the same lenght, if we exclude a couple of non existing glyphs from the mud. Maybe the answer is in the pigpen, but I can't seem to find them in the original video so far, I'll just recheck every frame again. I should probably use a frame difference mask though, but never attempted such a thing.

Gunnr 03-15-2017 01:12 PM

Using Varstahl's interpretation of of the Morse :GDPQOJ/QK/QCO/BCKGQP/DO/QKO/OTT and noting the 9 squares found before I decided to use Caesar cipher with Key 9, 9 times over, using the result from the previous decoded answer each time. The 9th time I got:

AXJKID/KE/KWI/VWEAKJ/XI/KEI/INN
Nothing really significant except the word "weak" but since the rest doesn't make sense I guess this isn't the way to go. Just something I thought I'd try :p

GlitterPanther 03-15-2017 01:47 PM

GDPQOJ/QK/QCO/BCKGQP/DO/QKO/OTT


My work

GROWTH/AN/ECO/BACKHAUL/DO/WHO/OUT
GROWTH/WORK/ECO/BIOGAS/DOING/WHO/OUT
GROWTH/WORK/ECO/BACKHAUL/DOING/WHO/OUT


Also, "Numbers guide"

Lets assume these letters translate to numbers
Using varshtals guess we get

14 13 0 15 21 0 23 19 17 15 3 4 9 2 0 19 14 13 0 25 15 0 7 4 0 20 13 17 1 4 9 19

Varstahl 03-15-2017 02:35 PM

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Using Varstahl's interpretation of of the Morse :GDPQOJ/QK/QCO/BCKGQP/DO/QKO/OTT and noting the 9 squares found before I decided to use Caesar cipher with Key 9, 9 times over, using the result from the previous decoded answer each time.

The 9 squares in reality are 8 9 1 2, in four different frames. As for the caesar cipher (or rot-N) there are only 25 possible rotations (excluding the starting one), so the (9 * 9) % 26 equals a rotation of 3, which can be decoded by 26-n, 23. Beside that, you also made a mistake, rotating it 8 times, (9 * 8) = 72, 72 % 26 = 20, 26 - 20 = 6, which is the result you obtained while decoding :)

Useless nerdity aside, I used a different approach for the separation of the glyphs from the video:

http://i.imgur.com/z2KW22b.png

Still looks pretty much the same to me tbh. And I still can't find the two other damned strings in the video. Are we sure it's there? Can anyone mention the frame numbers?

Shade_Meadows 03-15-2017 02:43 PM

Don't want to jinx it or anything like that...
but i guess the codes can't get harder than this, right?
i tried some codes but... yeah, you guys are WAY better than me

Xavier 03-15-2017 02:47 PM

As far as I can tell only Wiese found those two new codes, no one else confirmed they were there.

Wiese 03-15-2017 03:00 PM

Well, I downloaded the clip and looked up frame by frame. Do you want me to screenshot the whole frame to confirm the codes are there? o.o

Varstahl 03-15-2017 03:02 PM

I think I found something new on frame 38, but god dang it it's faint as hell… I've uploaded the highest quality available to me on the my imgur album. I still have no idea where the more code/pigpen comes out from. Anyway, I'm off to delta frame 38, wish me luck.

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Well, I downloaded the clip and looked up frame by frame. Do you want me to screenshot the whole frame to confirm the codes are there? o.o

I think I may have found one portion of it, but the frame number or roughly where exactly you found it could help out.

Wiese 03-15-2017 03:06 PM

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I think I may have found one portion of it, but the frame number or roughly where exactly you found it could help out.
I'll take a look real quick!
This could take a while. Windumbs is updating...

GlitterPanther 03-15-2017 03:23 PM

I dont know why I bother trying to help, yall just ignore anything I suggest. Im out.

Xavier 03-15-2017 03:32 PM

It's just that it is kind of unclear how you got to the result you posted. And also what the actual result is.

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GDPQOJ/QK/QCO/BCKGQP/DO/QKO/OTT


My work

GROWTH/AN/ECO/BACKHAUL/DO/WHO/OUT
GROWTH/WORK/ECO/BIOGAS/DOING/WHO/OUT
GROWTH/WORK/ECO/BACKHAUL/DOING/WHO/OUT


Wiese 03-15-2017 03:33 PM

Well, the morse code is on frame 21 https://sharepic.moe/img/G5udU.png
and I found the other glyphs on frame 31 https://sharepic.moe/img/z5wXV.png

See you later, I really have to get some sleep.

Phoetux 03-15-2017 03:35 PM

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It's just that it is kind of unclear how you got to the result you posted. And also what the actual result is.

Agreed. You didn't explain the whole process GP, but Xav these words would make sense someway.
Obviosly they aren't located in the right way.

Varstahl 03-15-2017 03:40 PM

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Well, the morse code is on frame 21 https://sharepic.moe/img/G5udU.png
and I found the other glyphs on frame 31 https://sharepic.moe/img/z5wXV.png

Thank you :)
On my video, downloaded the 1080p, the morse is on frame 25, will enhance and post it shortly. The pigpens on frame 31 should be the stuff I found on frame 38, but in my videos they're waaay more illegible than in your screen. I wonder why, will check through other ways.

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I dont know why I bother trying to help, yall just ignore anything I suggest. Im out.

You shouldn't take it personally. I, for once, have read what you wrote, but at this point I don't know what to make of it. But we do know there's stuff on the video we haven't found or decoded yet.

GlitterPanther 03-15-2017 03:51 PM

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It's just that it is kind of unclear how you got to the result you posted. And also what the actual result is.

Auto correct the text to closest logical conclusion, this is what you get.

Probably nothing but if it is I called it ^-^

Phoetux 03-15-2017 03:54 PM

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Auto correct the text to closest logical conclusion, this is what you get.

Unfortunately that's not how it works in the ARGs

GlitterPanther 03-15-2017 03:56 PM

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Unfortunately that's not how it works in the ARGs

Cuase we totally havent had to use cellphones before...

Varstahl 03-15-2017 03:57 PM

Tried to enhance/correct the morse code. I'm still not to sure if some of the things we considered dots before were in reality just added artifacts.

http://i.imgur.com/N6nVDI2.png

Gunnr 03-15-2017 04:05 PM

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The 9 squares in reality are 8 9 1 2, in four different frames. As for the caesar cipher (or rot-N) there are only 25 possible rotations (excluding the starting one), so the (9 * 9) % 26 equals a rotation of 3, which can be decoded by 26-n, 23. Beside that, you also made a mistake, rotating it 8 times, (9 * 8) = 72, 72 % 26 = 20, 26 - 20 = 6, which is the result you obtained while decoding :)

Useless nerdity aside, I used a different approach for the separation of the glyphs from the video:

http://i.imgur.com/z2KW22b.png

Still looks pretty much the same to me tbh. And I still can't find the two other damned strings in the video. Are we sure it's there? Can anyone mention the frame numbers?

Ah, my bad. I was distracted at the time


Edit: I was also trying to clear up that pigpen bit, this was the best I got: https://imgur.com/gallery/NNJVr