I just watched it and I did enjoy it. But yeah, it wasn't perfect.

The plot was forgettable, I think we were all watching it wanting the regeneration to happen. This is why I personally think, they shouldn't reveal anything about the episode prior to it being shown. I like the shock factor.

The regeneration was well... Different.

I enjoyed it way more than Tennant's because we all knew that was just so bloody dragged out.

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So a big crack came out of nowhere and gave the Doctor a new cycle of regenerations. Which were granted by the Time Lords as an act to save him. I had a feeling they would do this... Just not in that way. The actual regeneration itself was great to watch. I'm unsure why each regeneration keeps getting more and more explosive. This one was like a fucking nuke!

Although I didn't fall for it, I thought it was clever how they tricked us into thinking the Doctor had already regenerated into Peter Capaldi's Doctor after the explosion happened. But nope. 11 was still there but we still knew he was going to change and after a few visual reminders like Amy Pond and Fish Fingers and Custard and the Bow tie falling to the ground. I was ready for the explosion. But then suddenly he jerks his head back and BAM! new Doctor. A lot of people thought it was anti-climatic, But I thought it was a good homage to the original Dr Who regenerations, How they quickly changed.

Well, he was at first, but from series 6 onwards, I really warmed to him and he became his own doctor.

I liked how Tennants regeneration dragged on, they milked it, but it was great. Tennant was an emotional doctor, and I think his regeneration showed that at it's most extreme.
Yeah, I do like Clara, but, she isn't even really a character. She changes all the time and has no solid personality. Try and find one word that defines her and is consistent.

Yeah, there's loads of plotholes there. Like you said, he ages like 400 years in series 6. And what about the first doctor? Was he just born an old man? Benjamin Button syndrome. Saying that, the doctors do seem to be getting younger and younger. I can't wait to see more of Capaldi, he'll probably bring something fresh to the series, especially considering it's got a new writer now.

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I liked it. All the old regenerations happened differently, and even the doctor said he had a new regeneration cycle.

Um, series 5? The TARDIS exploding? The cracks never fully went away.

I'm guessing it's because of how big of an impact the incarnations make on the Doctor, and also how long they spent as that incarnation, and what the future one will be like. Matt was the Doctor for like a thousand years which makes him the longest incarnation, it was bound to be explosive.

I totally fell for it, and I was outraged that Matt got such a horrible regeneration, he didn't exactly die a hero. But yeah, totally fooled me, he had his speech like all Doctors do, and it was really sad, especially when the bow tie fell, no matter how overused.
I'm actually kind of disappointed that Amy made such a big impact on the Doctor, she was a horrible companion.

Also, it's kind of weird, Matt only had a few companions but Dave had loads of them, even though when you think about it, they had the same amount of series'.

Well the climax had already happened, we just thought that it'd be straight into Capaldi. I like the new regeneration cycle, it wasn't really a homage though, older regenerations weren't like that.

And finally, for anyone who thinks Tennants regeneration was dragged out, go watch the Fourth Doctor's. Logopolis is a great episode.

I'm like, the only person who still likes Amy, right?

Probably.

Yeah, I disliked Amy from the start. Rory end up being better in my eyes in the last few episodes they were both in.

And Nep. I knew what the cracks were. But I meant it like it just 'appeared' at the right time.

I thought Amy was pretty cool when she was very first introduced, but then she went downhill real quickly. She was most tolerable to me when Rory was also around but even then I found it very difficult to like her.

Rory was a really good companion, and so was his dad.

Amy was a sluuuuuuuuut.

Yeah but guys Amy Pond is fucking hot.

Yeah but she has an irritating accent :{

I was hoping the 12th Doctor's series plot would be an epic journey to find a magical macguffin that lets him extend past the regeneration deadline. Probably something from the Sisterhood of Karn. Golden particley breath just seemed a bit too easy. Oh well.

On the whole I thought it was pretty good. Wrapping up four seasons of plots in two sentences was a bit crap, though.

You can be hot and unlikeable

IT'S A THING THAT HAPPENS I ASSURE YOU

Just look at me.

Yeah, you definitely got that unlikeable bit down.

Might want to work on the hot part, though

Yeah, except the hot part.
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Time lords have always been able to grant more regenerations. Haven't you watched the Five Doctors?

My favourite part was how that was completely unplanned

I haven't. But I did know that they could grant more regenerations (what with The Master and all). I just wanted it to be something a bit grander and more difficult to acheive than some sparkly lights.

I know what you mean. But isn't talking the "easy way out" Moffat's thing?

I thought his thing was taking the hard way out in an oversimplified way?

Isn't that the same thing?

I like to post in threads without reading them.

Notice how people don't age until later in their lives? They grow up, sure, but they don't start to get wrinkles until their late thirties. That's when their cell's regeneration cycles start to run out and they are no longer able to maintain their bodies near-perfectly the way healthy kids, teenagers and twenty-somethings are. Mitosis in multicellular organisms is a lossy format of cellular reproduction, so there are telomeres on the ends of the chromosomes which shorten each time. When the run out, it eats into the genetic code, the cell lineage falters and comes to an end, and the organism they belong to begins to show visible signs of ageing. One of the few ways to renew telomeres and thus the regeneration cycle is to recombine the DNA, which is how children are born (and why clones come with a health risk), and apparently also how Time Lords regenerate.

My suggestion is that Eleven was never going to visible age until those last few centuries in that body (fighting those incursions probably didn't help either, War certainly showed his age after spending his whole regeneration in combat). Ten also aged the same way when the Master forced those centuries on him.

It makes sense to me, though I only award those marks to the writers if they thought of that themselves. They shouldn't be depending in me to make their work make sense!

What about in School Reunion where the Doctor says "I don't age, I regenerate"?

Sorry, forget it. Let's just pretend that line didn't exist and go with BM's explanation.
I know that arguing with you is a silly thing to do, but, I thought it was meiosis?

The Doctor lies, the Doctor jokes. Look at how old the first Doctor was. You don't think he was born that way, do you?

Meiosis is what produces four genetically unique daughter gametes rather than two genetically identical clone cells. Apparently telomeres are restored during embryogenesis, so clones should be fine.

I've always wondered if the first Doctor was his longest incarnation? If he went from a baby to the old man?

The First Doctor was about 450 years old when he regenerated due to old age. The Eleventh had been around for 600 years, so he did pretty well considering.

The Eighth Doctor was 1600 years old. He died of old age as the War Doctor, then became the Ninth Doctor and was 900 years old again. It's safe to say that the multiple times the Doctor says the age he gives is meaningless is the only meaningful thing he has to say about his age.

Didn't Smith say the War Doctor was a regeneration in the Christmas episode though?

Also, this. Looks like he lost a few hundred years during the Time War, but other than that it's reasonably consistent, give or take a few hundred.

But yeah, Eleven had 300 years in Season 6 and 300 + ? in the Christmas special.

I wasn't saying Eight and the War Doctor were the same, but I certainly wrote that sentence poorly enough to make it seem like I was.

That's what I said before. But why would he lie or joke about his age? It's not like there's any point to it.

He's forgotten. He's encountered countless worlds and civilisations with different years and dating systems, his brains are probably slightly addled from being changed so often, his own history has been re-written more than once, plus he's a time-traveller so no calendar can help him. The chances are that he simply has no idea how old he really is, so he picked a number that felt right.

This isn't me being a dick, but I wanted to point out that this is one of the reasons that I don't like the show. It makes up the rules as it goes along, and the fan base is......kind (nerdy) enough to make up justifications for the rules that are about 100 times more clever than the ones that the writers themselves made up.

When you have been going for 50 years, there's bound to be a few plot holes here and there. What's wrong with the show trying to fill them in? And what's wrong with the fanbase trying to if the show itself hasn't yet?

Because it's clear that they don't care that there are plot holes. Based on reading this thread, they obviously retcon anything and everything whenever they feel like it so that they can half way make each week's wacky caper sort of make sense.

You can't make that judgement after watching only a couple of episodes.

For starters, yes I can. But I didn't. I made that judgement based on watching a couple of episodes, and reading what you guys write about the show. It's pretty obvious.

Well, you're wrong.

Fanboy says criticism is wrong because reasons.

The show has had countless writers and directors. Not really surprised that they make it up as they go along and vaguely connect it to the past. I'm pretty sure that's how Star Trek was as well.

Plus I like the fact the community make the lore up as well.The fans know more about the show than the writers.

I'm not really a fanboy, but I already explained why you were wrong in a previous post, which I'm not going to find because you should have read it?

No, you didn't.