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A 29 Year Old Man Discusses Religion With A 7 Year Old Girl

Posted 01-24-2011 at 11:42 AM by OANST
Updated 01-24-2011 at 12:39 PM by OANST
I started reading the second of the Earthsea books to Abbey last night. The books' opening scenes depict a family that is about to have one of their children taken away from them to be consecrated into the priesthood of their gods. The mother tries to show the child as much love as she can while she still has her, as the father looks on with impotent rage.

This raised a lot of questions for Abbey. She couldn't understand why the parents would let her go if they didn't want to, why the priestesses would want to take her from her family, or why they wouldn't be allowed to visit each other. In short, she has no understanding of what religion is.

I want to make clear that what I am going to be talking about here is religion, and not faith. Faith in a higher power is not the same as unfailing faith in a religion. The latter of which is, in my opinion, very dangerous.

I started by reminding her that many people believe that there is a person, an all powerful person who created everything. They believe that their god created the world, and created laws or rules that the people must live by if they wish to be happy. Now, one of the rules of the gods that these people believe in is that certain children must become priests, and serve the gods, and hold themselves apart from other people.

She didn't think that this was fair. I told her that I didn't think so either. She asked why the gods would want people to do something that isn't nice. I had to think about this. It's not that I didn't have an answer. It's just that it's a hard question to answer well, especially when the person asking it has no concept of religion. I told her that in the real world people also do terrible things because they believe it's what their god wants them to do. But the real question isn't why god wants them to do these things, but why do the people want to do these things.

I told her that most people are afraid of dying, and because of that they need to believe that living by a set of rules that their god has given them will allow their spirit to live forever after they die. But it's even more complicated than that. I explained to her that if you sit 100 people down, and have them read the same religious books that tell them to do these horrible things, you will probably get 50 different interpretations, at least. These books are very difficult to understand, and they were written by many different people, people who didn't all agree on what the books should say. Some people will think that their god wants them to be kind to everyone, and other people think that their god wants them to kill people who don't believe in their god. And those who believe that they should kill unbelievers will do just that.

I realized that I must have said the wrong thing because her eyes started tearing up. I told her not to worry, that the people who think that live a long ways away and wouldn't be able to hurt her.

She says, "But, you don't believe in god, daddy".

"No. I don't."

Tears start coming now. "Are they going to kill you, daddy?"

I held her, and told her no. No one is going to hurt me. But even if they wanted to hurt me, that would be no reason for me to pretend to believe the same thing they do. Because if we do that, then they win. And the world can only get better if people don't let those who would stop others from living the way they want to have their way. Whatever it is that you believe in, it's your right to believe it. And don't ever let anyone tell you that you can't.

She nodded. I put her to bed. I left the room kicking myself for not waiting two or three years to have that conversation.
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Sekto Springs's Avatar
I think you handled that well. You're a much better parent than most for giving her a choice at all.
Posted 01-24-2011 at 12:05 PM by Sekto Springs

OANST's Avatar
I was more concerned with the fact that I had her terrified that I was going to be murdered more than anything else.
Posted 01-24-2011 at 12:16 PM by OANST

STM's Avatar
I agree with Sekto...I'm sure that if she was worried she'd bring it to your attention. Even though I'm religious I think you handled the whole subject well.

As far as I can tell your a very good parent OANST.
Posted 01-24-2011 at 12:36 PM by STM

Wil's Avatar
You can make her watch Marble Hornets to take her mind off that.
Posted 01-24-2011 at 12:42 PM by Wil

OANST's Avatar
Good idea.
Posted 01-24-2011 at 12:52 PM by OANST

shaman's Avatar
Then buy a suit and some platform shoes.
Posted 01-24-2011 at 12:52 PM by shaman

Stilts. You mean stilts.
Posted 01-24-2011 at 01:04 PM by Nemo

shaman's Avatar
And some tights for the face.

Then post videos of the results.
Posted 01-24-2011 at 01:06 PM by shaman

OANST's Avatar
You damn people are cruel.
Posted 01-24-2011 at 01:08 PM by OANST

STM's Avatar
If you do this though...you gotta like...do it properly.
Posted 01-24-2011 at 01:21 PM by STM

T-nex's Avatar
X_X discussing religion in such an in-depth way with kids really does produce unexpected results.

I find it cute that she's so concerned for you though. I dunno what else to say.


You have to remember the tie too!
Posted 01-24-2011 at 01:38 PM by T-nex

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I remember discussing the same kinds of things with my mom when I was her age and bawling my eyes out at times. It's all for the better and you're doing a great job. She'll make her own decision about this stuff eventually, but the best thing is to give her an open and intelligent introduction.
Posted 01-24-2011 at 03:35 PM by used:)

Wil's Avatar
She's going to flip when she encounters polytheism.

No, I can't say awww about the original story. I assure you I'm thinking it, but I'm too stressed to say it.

Don't forget the camera distortions!
Posted 01-24-2011 at 03:43 PM by Wil

Bullet Magnet's Avatar
I often hear stories about parents trying to tell their kids about the existance of religion, and related to that, about death.

Two stand out to me:

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My son was 5 when his grandfather (my father) died. Heaven was never mentioned by him or me, though there was a Catholic funeral. We were also very much aware that the last person who would have gone to that was my dad, the only time I knew him to go to a church was his kids weddings and his own mothers funeral, and he was more than uncomfortable.

Anyway, after the ceremony, when all the other grand kids were running around and playing, and the rest of the family/friends were chatting my 5 year old son was slowly walking in circles round the coffin, staring in silence. I walked over, tying not to disturb. After about 10 minutes, he stopped, walked over to me and, without saying a word, we looked at each other, nodded and left the church. He is now 14 and a freethinking Atheist (much to his mothers annoyance).
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We told our children their brother/sister was in heaven when we lost our baby, they were both very young and we were deists at the time. We later learned that this actually caused them stress because they felt their sibling still existed somewhere but was being kept away from them, they wanted to go and be with that baby.
Posted 01-25-2011 at 03:09 AM by Bullet Magnet

Oddey's Avatar
Oh, how I love your discussions with Abbey. Your daughter is the sweetest thing on OWF.
Posted 01-25-2011 at 04:27 AM by Oddey

Havoc's Avatar
Smart kid. Good job OANST.
Posted 01-25-2011 at 09:24 AM by Havoc

ziggy's Avatar
That's pretty heavy stuff for a little girl. When I was very young my parents never mentioned religion to me at all. I didn't even know what God was.
Posted 01-25-2011 at 10:59 AM by ziggy

MA's Avatar
when i was a kid, and asked about religion, someone just threw a bible at me. i dunno if they wanted me to read it or just shut up.
Posted 01-25-2011 at 01:00 PM by MA

MeechMunchie's Avatar
I have trouble explaining these sorts of things to mature adults, let alone children, and without the pressure of knowing that I'm responsible for that person's moral development.

I find it hard to be deep when I've just been made to feel inadequate, so I'll just fall back on humour and say

GOOD JOB!
Posted 01-25-2011 at 01:02 PM by MeechMunchie

abe619's Avatar
Wow, OANST, you have awesome parenting skills.
Posted 01-25-2011 at 02:37 PM by abe619

Oddey's Avatar
Oh my! I just realised two things. I just finished reading the exact same book, and that I was never at all told what God was. Nor did I ever ask any questions regarding him. I only found out when somebody said that they told their kids that it was God bowling whenever storms were about. I was confused.
Posted 01-26-2011 at 03:43 AM by Oddey

Wil's Avatar
I don't think my parents ever even talking to me about religion, nor I to them. I guess I picked up on what it is through morning hymns and Father John's occasional school visits.

I wonder if such practices still happen at state schools.
Posted 01-26-2011 at 03:45 AM by Wil

OddjobAbe's Avatar
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Father John's occasional school visits.
I don't know if it's the same one, but I once had an argument with a Father John. It was about politics (of all things). He was a conservative and I was trying to explain why I disagreed with the conservative policies. I would have expected a Christian who is supposed to hold the values taught by Jesus to be a socialist.

EDIT: I've just read this through. It's a fucking boring anecdote.
Posted 01-26-2011 at 05:28 AM by OddjobAbe

metroixer's Avatar
There are a lot of Father Johns!

When I asked my parents about religion, they kinda just gave me the short and sweet of it. I don't remember how I reacted, but maybe it was just because I didn't care too much at the time? Why did I ask anyway? I'm not sure, but it wasn't really a significant moment.

What's difficult for children, I find, is when they are surrounded by people who are trying to force their faiths onto him or her. Catholic schools are actually pretty good about this, and in my experience are cool with kids who aren't that interested. Do realize that I live in the only liberal county in South Florida so mine may have been a rare case.

Then there are Baptist Schools, which WILL do their damnest to force their opinions on the kids. There will be scare tactics involved, I distinctly remember my 8th grade American History teacher ranting over how evil Democrats are, and quite frankly it let me to being a very confused middle schooler. I don't think I recovered from that confusion until my sophomore year of high school where I was able to interpret everything myself without having a fat guy yelling at me.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, it's important to have kids understand that just because they know a figure of authority believes in something, it doesn't mean the kid has to. My parents always told me when I went to the baptist school to not be brainwashed or anything, but never put any emphasis on it and as a result I ended up getting all mixed up over it. Just something to keep in mind...

e: Also despite my weird past I still believe in God, but I have my own reason and interpretation as to why, and I feel that is what is most important.
Posted 01-26-2011 at 04:54 PM by metroixer

Pilot's Avatar
Good fathering. Sensible standpoints.
Posted 01-26-2011 at 06:27 PM by Pilot

 

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