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So yeah...

Posted 11-29-2009 at 08:20 AM by Wings of Fire
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(05:22) Luke the Mage: And how exactly is psychology not a pseudoscience, vaguely governed by correlations with ignored exceptions, as the full extent of neuroscience is not fully understood?
(05:24) Luke the Mage: If psychology is not entirely governed by neuroscience, then there must be an intuitive, or, how shall we say, 'mystic' affectation to it?
(05:24) Teh Joe: Errrrr
(05:25) Teh Joe: No
Nevermind
I'm too tired for that
(05:27) Luke the Mage: Come back with a full map of the human psyche and every equation to indicate possible electro-transmissive paths and their formation, and then I will accept you as a genuine scientist, and not a practitioner of pseudoscience.
(05:27) Teh Joe: That makes no sense
You fail physics forever
(05:29) Luke the Mage: If you're making assumptions or generalisations due to incomplete knowledge, or prior correlations, then it's pseudoscience, as you told me. Also you have failed to conver the skeptic through both empiricism and rationalism, and you also told me that the fault must always lie with the discipline, and not the skeptic.
(05:29) Teh Joe: No
(05:30) Teh Joe: That's not what a pseudoscience is at all
(05:30) Luke the Mage: Ah, pseaudoscience is where I sit down to profitlessly fool people to make me feel good then?
(05:31) Luke the Mage: Because I'm that maliceful, aren't I?
(05:32) Luke the Mage: Don't I just love confusing and wounding open-minded people?
(05:33) Teh Joe: No
That's not what a pseudoscience is either
(05:34) Luke the Mage: You won't win this one. I have a whole society at my back. And my two best friends, as well as my girlfriend, are all VASTLY more intelligent than you, and all three are serious divination practitioners.
(05:36) Luke the Mage: My two best friends being a trainee lawyer, and a trainee psychologist. And my girlfriend being an extremely talented poet and writer.
(05:37) Teh Joe: Uuuuh
(05:37) Luke the Mage: And funnily enough, these people live in the real world, and move seamlessly through many circles of people, not advertising what they are, whilst you sit ascetically behind your computer.
(05:38) Teh Joe: I think this is the point where I block you again
(05:38) Luke the Mage: I've about had it with snide pops at my beliefs and studies.
(05:38) Luke the Mage has been blocked
*Sigh*
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Strike Witch's Avatar
You're a real perky piece of crap on MSN.
Posted 12-01-2009 at 01:35 AM by Strike Witch

Wings of Fire's Avatar
You're so sweet-noda.
Posted 12-01-2009 at 04:06 AM by Wings of Fire
Updated 12-01-2009 at 07:27 AM by Wings of Fire

Wings of Fire's Avatar
Also I choose to accept that as a compliment, anything else would be ironically inconsistent.
Posted 12-01-2009 at 11:20 AM by Wings of Fire

Strike Witch's Avatar
Cammy says hi.
Posted 12-01-2009 at 12:05 PM by Strike Witch

OANST's Avatar
Cammy from Nintendo? You would know her.
Posted 12-01-2009 at 12:07 PM by OANST

Wings of Fire's Avatar
Cammy <3
Posted 12-01-2009 at 12:09 PM by Wings of Fire

Strike Witch's Avatar
He also says make a blog entry about him anyway.
Posted 12-01-2009 at 12:39 PM by Strike Witch

Wings of Fire's Avatar
I'll leave it for a few days, I already have two blogs on the front page and some people aren't blog whores.

Also I want to get to know him better
Posted 12-01-2009 at 12:40 PM by Wings of Fire

OANST's Avatar
Oh no. WoF is going to spend the next two weeks telling us about how he touched a penis, again.
Posted 12-01-2009 at 12:44 PM by OANST

Wings of Fire's Avatar
Actually this guy is straight, he's just absolutely one-of-a-kind adorable.
Posted 12-01-2009 at 12:47 PM by Wings of Fire

used:)'s Avatar
Three weeks then.
Posted 12-01-2009 at 12:50 PM by used:)

Wings of Fire's Avatar
He's also American and I'm pretty broke. Let's say a month.
Posted 12-01-2009 at 12:50 PM by Wings of Fire

used:)'s Avatar
What the hell was he doing in Australia then?
Posted 12-01-2009 at 01:03 PM by used:)

Wings of Fire's Avatar
WOOPS
Posted 12-01-2009 at 01:10 PM by Wings of Fire

OANST's Avatar
Woops? Did he slip on a banana peel, and fall down there?
Posted 12-01-2009 at 01:15 PM by OANST

Wings of Fire's Avatar
Ohyes.
Posted 12-01-2009 at 01:17 PM by Wings of Fire

Strike Witch's Avatar
He was never in Australia.

He's just someone I made crossdress through force-of-will.
Posted 12-01-2009 at 01:44 PM by Strike Witch

OANST's Avatar
Oh, it's that guy.
Posted 12-01-2009 at 02:27 PM by OANST

Wings of Fire's Avatar
I think he should join the forums, that would be amusing.
Posted 12-01-2009 at 02:30 PM by Wings of Fire

OANST's Avatar
I'm amused. How about you guys?
Posted 12-01-2009 at 02:38 PM by OANST

Nate's Avatar
GODDAMN THAT WAS MEME
Posted 12-01-2009 at 05:02 PM by Nate

used:)'s Avatar
Nate was meme to me!
Posted 12-01-2009 at 05:10 PM by used:)

Bullet Magnet's Avatar
It's off the page, but I think Joe will find it anyway.

If your brother thinks that for something to be a science we have to know and understand every damn thing that can possibly be considered part of or related to a specific discipline, then he's very much mistaken and you need to learn his ass without being distracted by unrelated personal attacks and flowery prose. This might be easier if you can separate your emotions from your passions (but that's probably one of the things that you and I differ on).

Psychology is what is known as a "soft science", in that while psychologists work scientifically to the best of their ability within the confines of the field, getting hard data is often problematic, though not impossible with ingenuity (obviously, this will depend on what it is that you are studying. Human behaviour is distinct from other aspects of psychology, for instance, and can be studied in different ways by other disciplines, and is much easier to quantify).

So often psychologists have to resort to more qualitative measures. The problem with studying higher brain functions, particularly learning (we have the same problems studying some animals) is that many of them are by nature unrepeatable with the same specimen. Then there are more complex issues that are beyond my ability to discuss.

I cannot wait for the day when the respective fields of psychology and neurology close the gap between them and we can trace the workings of our mind fully back to physiological causes. Until then, though, we need those who can understand the workings of the mind, however flawed it turns out their theories and models are. All science works that way. While those more inclines towards quantifiable data in the so-called hard sciences like myself can be easily frustrated by the less tangible nature of psychology and can see the discipline as a soft academical option, it takes a real genius to find ways to make the discipline work.

And of course, at least psychologists are interested in whether or not ideas in their field are true and work to falsify them, their own and others. Outside of the sciences you don't get that sort of intellectual honesty or a methodology capable of weeding out bad ideas and making disciplines self-correcting. Your brother can convince himself that your work is as flimsy and baseless as his own, but I can guarantee you that he does not critically analyse his magical imaginings... at all, let alone to the degree that scientists do.

You can see here that his arguments extend no further than playing on your fears that you have not truly escaped from his world of nonsense. He presents no arguments, forwards nothing in support of mysticism that you can address. As your brother he knows you well enough to bypass thought and push your buttons. Don't let him. You're better than he is (in this respect at least, the only one I can judge).
Posted 12-03-2009 at 11:42 AM by Bullet Magnet

OANST's Avatar
That's what I told him.
Posted 12-03-2009 at 11:45 AM by OANST

MA's Avatar
no you didn't YOU MADE THAT UP!
Posted 12-03-2009 at 11:59 AM by MA

Wings of Fire's Avatar
That's what OANST told me...
Posted 12-04-2009 at 07:10 AM by Wings of Fire

 

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