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In defense of "Political Correctness."

Posted 11-12-2009 at 02:12 AM by Dipstikk
People spend so much time trying to project an image of not being "bound and shackled by (what they identify as) political correctness" and it really chafes my grapefruit. Society has demonized and distorted the phrase "Political Correctness" to the point that they just use it as a shield. It's taken on a definition similar to "oversensitive." You can be branded as "politically correct" by some slob if you tell them not to call a homosexual couple "faggots," and the pig calling them such will likely be touted as a hero within his circle of bigots for "daring to speak against the system," the system, of course, being whoever he sees as persecuting his right to be an ignorant bigot. This can be applied to any similar situation.

Let me give you a scenario if you're having trouble following along (YOU BIG DOLT). Introducing, Dudeface and Guyman:

Dudeface: "Hey, you hear that Mitchell got fired from his job?"

GuyMan: "Yeah, apparently he got mad at his boss for calling him 'colored'."

Dudeface: "Yeah, that's how they are. You can't say anything around blacks anymore, man. The other day, I was called a racist. For nothing at all! They think they can play the race card to get sympathy."

GuyMan: "Um... I don't think this is a situation where he's in the wrong. You can't call a black person "colored," it's a slur and an outdated term."

Dudeface: "Look, man. Those blacks are always trying to mess with us. We freed them, right? So what's the problem? Every day it's something different! It's time for those guys to just get over what happened!"

Guyman: (Is kind of in shock for a moment)

Dudeface: (Indignantly slurps the drool from his chin and continues) "I mean, they're criminals! This isn't racist, it's the truth. They're more likely to kill and rape! They even got one in office, and they still whine about racism! Racism is over with! Obama stopped it! I mean, god, they're lucky white people like us are so forgiving."

Guyman: (Shakes off the utter shock) "That is by far the most disgusting, entitled thing I've ever witnessed in my life."

Dudeface: "What? Christ, that is so typical. Everyone's so afraid to say what they think. Political correctness has taken over, man! At least I'm man enough to admit the truth!"

GuyMan: "No, you're spouting off about something that you don't understand and using political correctness as a shield instead of taking responsibility for your mind-blowing bigotry."

Dudeface goes into a rage and it does not end well.


If these represent the average American's beliefs towards minorities, wouldn't it be more appropriate to label Guyman as the politically incorrect person? The problem with Dudeface's use of political correctness is that his statements are all personal beliefs and bigotry. Keep in mind, I didn't give Guyman a chance to disprove anything, but he's got an encyclopedic understanding of everything from the history of African Americans to white privilege. If, hypothetically, Guyman knows more than Dudeface and was even able to send Dudeface into a rage without mentioning a single rebuttal beyond informing him of his own ignorance, doesn't that make Guyman the politically incorrect one? By definiton, this makes Dudeface and everyone like him the "politically correct" crowd.

Uh-oh.

Dudeface represents your average caucasian American. His beliefs are modeled off of not only the majority of conservatives, but many moderates and a few liberals. Guyman represents the well-informed, mostly modeled off of liberal progressives and activists. Dudeface is a buffoon who would more likely shrug off Guyman's wimpy liberal booklearning and go get a burger.

I'm not sure where I wanted to take this. I identify more with Guyman and I tend to avoid people like Dudeface.

I guess I'm also tired of phrases like "Political correctness" being misused. I'm tired of a lot of words being misused. I'm tired of semantics and buzzwords in general. I'm tired of the informed being pegged as "lacking in a sense of humor" when the more informed you*become, the less funny you find the holocaust. I'm tired of stupidity reigning, I'm tired of my fellow liberals being more like conservatives on issues like this. I'M TIRED OF BEING AWAKE, DAMN IT IT'S LIKE 5 OCLOCK IN THE MORNING GO TO BED MATT

So yeah.

Um.

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Sekto Springs's Avatar
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No, I'm just fast enough that I don't need to read pseudo-conversations out loud.
I didn't have to read that aloud to get the joke :3
C'mon, Nate.
Posted 11-12-2009 at 03:17 PM by Sekto Springs

OANST's Avatar
You fucking took us into a new page AND NOW NO ONE WILL SEE MY TOTALLY AWESOME POINT!
Posted 11-12-2009 at 03:18 PM by OANST

Sekto Springs's Avatar
Shaddap, Mat. You stupid nigga.
lol "Seifneld"




Posted 11-12-2009 at 03:19 PM by Sekto Springs
Updated 11-12-2009 at 03:24 PM by Sekto Springs

shaman's Avatar
@OANST

Woah hang on a tick, part of my argument was that people arn't offended by it, i'm more annoyed by people asuming that those words will cause a fucking revolution. When they really won't.

Anywho, i'm not going to push the issue any further, in retrospect getting annoyed about this made look a total twat. Sorry about that, but i'm in a mood today.
Posted 11-12-2009 at 03:26 PM by shaman

OANST's Avatar
Revolution? No. Hurt feelings? Maybe.
Posted 11-12-2009 at 03:27 PM by OANST

Sekto Springs's Avatar
Expandable Giant 9? Yes.
Posted 11-12-2009 at 03:28 PM by Sekto Springs

shaman's Avatar
Indeed.
Posted 11-12-2009 at 03:31 PM by shaman

Dipstikk's Avatar
SEXTO SPRINGS
Posted 11-12-2009 at 03:32 PM by Dipstikk

Dipstikk's Avatar
This whole issue is making you hysterical, Shammy. I suggest taking a breather.

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1)It's no insult to call a black person black.
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Most black people that I have met don't consider the term "black people" offensive.
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2) When "Segregation" was going on, baring in mind this was a long while ago, most of the current black population were not around to be offended.
How long do you think the average human being's lifespan is? 20, 25 years?
We have a whole slew of people who lived through the civil rights movement and plenty more who had to use "colored" bathrooms.

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"Oh right, if a word isn't backed up by history as being offensive, then obviously nobody has a right to be offended by it. "
Pretty much, yeah.

Actually, "Cunt" is a very forceful insult used mainly against women.

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Do you think Whites are totally unaware of the racial discrimination taking place in the past, whilst blacks are still reeling from the slave trade?
Actually, yeah. The effects of segregation and the slave trade still reach today, and there are plenty of people in my own generation who are still ignorant or apathetic toward the last 3 centuries.

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you daft sod! it's rammed down our throats ALL. THE. TIME.
And your usage of the term "rammed down our throats" is what I mean. You see it as an assault on the people. It's not.

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Skin colour is irrelevant. if Anyone decides that they are being "discriminated" Against simply becuase sombody uses the word "Coloured" or "Black" on occasion, then yes. yes they are a whinning baby and need to grow a fucking pair.
And that's not for you to decide, now is it? It's fine if that's your opinion, but it's not your place to tell the abused party that their offense is unwarranted or petty.

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Sure, let's put some of our resources into "He called me this he called me that"! instead of the serious shit. If it's a real issue and the person in question is in actual danger or is genuinly being intimidated by the "racial abuse" Then of course we should act on it.
Most of us are not in positions where we can shape and mold the world, so we discuss it and thus, influence how others shape it.

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You certainly seem to think the anti politically correct masses think that way, i direct your attention to "Dudeface" And the wasy you made him out to be simply because he is against political correctness! You can;t surely think we're all like that!
In your own little ways, you are very much like him. The entitlement in deciding what is and isn't a legitimate thing to be offended by, your ignorance of the past and your inability to apply its relevance to the here-and-now. Dudeface was against anyone teaching him that the way he discusses race is wrong. He was convinced that he was right when he didn't know anything about what he spouted off about and viewed anyone who challenged his bigoted opinions as "the PC Police," instead of admitting that he was wrong.

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The majority hate political correctness, you're one of the few poeple i have spoke to who are in support of it.
Thank you for supporting what I'm saying. If the majority hates political correctness, it becomes politically correct to do so. Ergo, those in support of it are politically incorrect.

Up is sideways and down is Robotnik. Now onto Munch's Master.
Posted 11-12-2009 at 03:53 PM by Dipstikk
Updated 11-12-2009 at 04:16 PM by Dipstikk

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How long do you think the average human being's lifespan is? 20, 25 years?
Yeah i will admit that was a pretty stupid thing for me to say.


All of my comment was based on my opinion. Of course it's not my place to tell others what to think, I never tried to force it on people and i'm not (or at least i hope i'm not) against anyone telling me the way i argue about race is wrong. You think my argument is flawed? i'm fine with that.
Posted 11-12-2009 at 04:08 PM by shaman

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I agree that the examples posted in the first post would be construed as racist, but by no means does that mean anyone agasinst political correctness is a racist.
Oh, I agree completely, which is why I distinctly sited a bigot as my example.

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You either need 100% free speech where anyone can say anything to anyone, or 100% correctness where both sides of the story are controlled.
First of all, political correctness has yet to be enforced. You can pretty much say whatever you like to anyone you like, and it's protected by your right to freedom of speech.

But you do have to realize that there is zero tolerance for racism towards minorities in modern culture and that there are going to be repercussions if you go and lob slurs at people. Political Correctness just offers guidelines to how you communicate and socialize in our ever-changing society.

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but the fact is where I an ethnic minority there would have been an outcry. It's not right to say it about anybody, regardless of whether the person saying it or having it said to them is black, white, Asian, whatever.
I absolutely agree.

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I'm not quite sure but I think you just inferred that shaman is ignorant of ethnic minorities. That's quite a bold assertion to make.
Oh, it's an incredibly bold statement, and I think it's verified by how he responded to it.

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but if a business chooses they can exclude any white person from working there.
And these wouldn't have to be in place if some businesses and employers wouldn't outright refuse to hire POC or other marginalized groups, these rules wouldn't have to be set up in the first place. These people who caused that quotient to be set up would most likely be hiring Caucasians anyway.

And for the rest... I'm not as familiar as I'd like to be with racial relations across the pond, so I'll just leave that alone.
Posted 11-12-2009 at 04:11 PM by Dipstikk

Sekto Springs's Avatar
Racism and Free Speech go hand in hand unfortunately.
We can't stop people from going on racist tangents, but it doesn't mean we have to like it. Free speech allows you to openly express your opinions, whatever flack you get for your opinions is inadmissible though.
Posted 11-12-2009 at 04:15 PM by Sekto Springs

OANST's Avatar
Well, there are certain things that are not allowed even with free speach. I can't follow you around calling you a donkey cunt, chink fucker without being arrested. Nor should I be able to. Be a douchebag all you want, just don't disturb my peace.
Posted 11-13-2009 at 06:47 AM by OANST

Sekto Springs's Avatar
That all boils down to the subjective nature of 'assault'.
I don't think you can be arrested for following someone around and insulting them, the reason that's even an issue is because 90% of the time such behavior will end in fisticuffs. It can create plenty of legal drama though. Restraining orders and the like.

Free speech is one of those things where the forefathers thought future Americans would have enough common sense to know not to use it as an excuse to be an assfuck. They were wrong, and now the law is forced to dilute our freedoms to deal with said assfucks.
Posted 11-13-2009 at 11:35 AM by Sekto Springs

OANST's Avatar
You absolutely can, and will be arrested for following someone around, and insulting them.
Posted 11-13-2009 at 11:43 AM by OANST

shaman's Avatar
Yeah i'm pretty sure you can be arrested for that.
Posted 11-13-2009 at 12:01 PM by shaman

MA's Avatar
I AM ALSO SURE OF THIS
Posted 11-13-2009 at 02:01 PM by MA

Sekto Springs's Avatar
Thanks for your invaluable contribution, shaman and MA.
Posted 11-13-2009 at 03:21 PM by Sekto Springs

shaman's Avatar
Don't blame me for trying to draw attention from my total cuntishness on the previous page.
Posted 11-13-2009 at 03:36 PM by shaman

MA's Avatar
I WAS ALSO ATTEMPTING TO DIVERT ATTENTION FROM MY CUNTISHNESSESES
Posted 11-13-2009 at 04:24 PM by MA

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Dipstikk, your example aligns ignorance with racism. Dudeface starts with the shallow argument of, "we freed them, they need to get over it" and in the same example demonstrates that he is also racist by going on to indicate that he feels that all blacks are criminals. This means that you are conjoining these two different traits with one another and basing it as your argument. Ignorance does not always equal racism, however, racism can be argued as being ignorant.

I think you're onto something with your political correctness argument but the example you gave is a big fail.

People ought to speak their mind. No sense in hiding who you are.
Posted 11-13-2009 at 04:55 PM by Pilot
Updated 11-13-2009 at 04:57 PM by Pilot

Dipstikk's Avatar
MY CUNTISHNESS IS TRYING TO DRAW ATTENTION AWAY FROM ME
Posted 11-13-2009 at 10:11 PM by Dipstikk

Pilot's Avatar
Look, just post robotnik crap, K?
Posted 11-13-2009 at 10:59 PM by Pilot

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YOUR WISH IS MY LUNCH.
Posted 11-16-2009 at 11:21 PM by Dipstikk

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Wobotnik haz a tummy ache.
Posted 11-18-2009 at 12:08 AM by Dipstikk

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Late post, but I wanted to respond to this.

People ought to speak their mind.

I absolutely agree, but when the majority of people want to live in a diverse society (even if most don't have a flipping clue how to go about it and don't dwell on it), and you're carrying ignorant preconceived opinions of people as a group, you are automatically making life worse for those people. You indirectly influence the quality of life for others, whether you admit to it or not. This can manifest itself in different degrees of severity, mostly by making other people feel unwelcome. This is regressive, plain and simple, and regression, by definition, drags us back. Ignorant tirades about minorities are not free speech, they're hate speech, and hate speech should not be protected.
Posted 01-28-2010 at 09:40 AM by Dipstikk
Updated 02-07-2010 at 02:39 PM by Dipstikk

OANST's Avatar
Yesterday, my boss was talking to me about "disturbing trends in the Chaldean community", and about how they try to sew their oats with "American" women before settling down with one of their own. I just sort of grunted at him. He then tells me that I should keep this in mind for when Abbey starts dating. I tell him that I don't think that I will be pre-qualifying her boyfriends based on whether or not they are Chaldean.

He gives me this look like he knows better and says that he is just trying to help me avoid dealing with her broken heart. So I says to him, I says "Look, my qualifying questions are going to have little to do with nationality or family background. In fact, I only have one question. Are you a boy? Yeah? Get the fuck out".
Posted 01-28-2010 at 10:42 AM by OANST

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So Strike Witch is in.
Posted 01-28-2010 at 12:08 PM by Wings of Fire

OANST's Avatar
Nah. She has a dick. It's plastic, but a dick nonetheless.
Posted 01-28-2010 at 12:23 PM by OANST

 

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