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Suicide, the internets, and why you're all a bunch o' biased assholes

Posted 11-11-2009 at 03:03 PM by Sekto Springs
How many of you believe its your own goddamned right to take your life if you feel compelled to?

I'm currently researching various topics involving mortality out of sheer curiosity. After reading what the almighty internet has to offer, I find myself even more disappointed by the sullied perception of death that has been presented to me.

I happened upon a collection of essays written by an elderly fellow with malignant cancer and Kavorkian ideals. He states, very politely and eloquently in fact, how if there is pain present and you've exhausted your options - suicide is an alternative that should not be overlooked.

The replies to this man's essays were staggering. I'd say out of the two-hundred-something comments I read (omitting all the comments written by religious zealots and complete tosspots), only about ten of them weren't vehemently negative. This irritated me to no end. I punched into Google "painless ways to kill yourself", and was outraged to be misled by links claiming to offer just such information, only to be redirected to websites with the audacity to tell me how its not my time and in some cases why I "need to accept Jesus"

Utter. Bullshit.
Yes. The act of suicide, especially in teens, is often driven entirely by overactive hormones buggering up their emotions. If some berk teeny wants to kill himself because the hot girl at school won't stroke his hog, that's a completely different matter imo. In such situations, the problem has to be examined carefully and then the person reminded of their real motivations.
Regardless of the connotation surrounding death (which is instinctively influenced), and regardless of whatever misguided satisfaction you get out of keeping that one extra asshole alive longer than they want, I think it's a vulgar act of partiality to refuse information to someone simply because the rest of us are "sane" enough to realize "death isn't the answer" (good lord).

Given all the circumstances, I think one's life should be their own fucking business. If they want to cack themselves and their reasoning is sound (ie not influenced by inebriation or hormones), let them. We have too many people on the planet as it is. I think its a sick tactic to limit suicide rates by simply denying suicidals the appropriate information in mainstream availability. There are several recorded incidents of botched suicide attempts significantly damaging one's recreational capacity. Hangings where the survivor is now confined to a wheelchair with brain damage. Doing a nose-dive off a building resulting in crippling paraplegia. Lives made even worse than before because they weren't sufficiently educated on the subject. Whats worse is that their friends and family, in more than one case, are constantly reminding them that there current condition is the result of their own "bad choices" (Ironically enough, a survey of documented premeditated suicides shows that the person killing him/herself attributed their misery to their family being part of the problem as opposed to part of the solution).

Well, I'll continue this conversation further if any of you are actually arsed to touch this topic with a ten foot pole. I considered making it a thread, but after reading all of the prejudice views of suicide the net has to offer, I figured I should keep this in here to avoid negrep and troll feeding.

I know alot of you can't be arsed to read all of that, which is why I asked the question first. Answer it as you will.

Suicide booths anyone?
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Nate's Avatar
I don't think that information on cheap and easy suicide should be freely available, simply because it would be best to make it difficult for those under the influence of inebriation or hormones.

But, far more importantly, I think there should be legal and regulated euthanasia. That would help those who really need it, whilst weeding out (and offering counselling to) those who are just fucked up in the head.
Posted 11-11-2009 at 03:22 PM by Nate

Sekto Springs's Avatar
I see what you mean, Nate. The Anarchist Cookbook syndrome.
Some kind of euthanasia clinic would be ace, because you could be evaluated first which would indeed weed out those who were in their right mind.

I hear that such clinics already exist, albeit under the radar for obvious reasons.
Posted 11-11-2009 at 03:32 PM by Sekto Springs

Wings of Fire's Avatar
No sane doctor would approve someone as fit to take their own life, they do sign an oath.

EDIT: Own opinion: It should be legal, doesn't mean I like the idea. In fact I like the idea far more than abortion because at least all parties have a say.
Posted 11-11-2009 at 03:36 PM by Wings of Fire
Updated 11-11-2009 at 03:53 PM by Wings of Fire

Dipstikk's Avatar
If it's of the person's own doing and he makes the decision to do it, I say it's their body, their flow of electrical stimulus and their flow of blood, so they should have the right to do what they wish with their body. Of course the family is going to have a tough time with it, but again, it's not their body.

Though, I'm not sure what I'd think if the person were severely mentally ill.

You know? This is an issue with a lot of shades of gray to it, and I'm not educated in it nearly enough to have a stance on it, so I won't. I don't like the idea that much, either.

Personally, I'm too much of a pussbag to take my own life. I also know that no matter how bad things get, ending it this early in the game is a waste of how much time I've got, disease and such notwithstanding. I like Nate's idea about legalizing it and suicide being regulated by the state.
Posted 11-11-2009 at 03:52 PM by Dipstikk
Updated 11-11-2009 at 03:56 PM by Dipstikk

Sekto Springs's Avatar
I knew my titillating conversation would bring you back eventually, Matt.

And Joe makes a very valid point. Applying the same logic to suicide as you would to pro-choice abortion, I mean.
Posted 11-11-2009 at 03:57 PM by Sekto Springs

Dipstikk's Avatar
MATT?

OH, NO NO NO NOOO.

MY FULL NAME IS DOCTOR IVO RRRROBOTNIK

Also, what brought me back was your rugged manliness.
Posted 11-11-2009 at 04:02 PM by Dipstikk
Updated 11-11-2009 at 04:12 PM by Dipstikk

Sekto Springs's Avatar
HEDGEHOG SEMEN!

Food for thought.

"Dying with dignity" is another issue I forgot to bring up entirely.
My mum works (well, worked, she recently quit) in a nursing home. The horror stories she could tell. She's been a nurse for 28 years and she will tell you that you learn alot about mortality in such a field.
Its no secret that the condition of nursing homes is deplorable. We discard our elderly once they lose the basic skills they need to be a proactive member of society. Why do we send them to these places? It's a costly, undignified way of life and many geriatrics have openly expressed how they would rather die quickly and painlessly than rotting in bed, eating up government money, full of feeding tubes and catheters.
Posted 11-11-2009 at 04:14 PM by Sekto Springs
Updated 11-11-2009 at 04:18 PM by Sekto Springs

Nate's Avatar
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Some kind of euthanasia clinic would be ace, because you could be evaluated first which would indeed weed out those who were in their right mind.
Euthanasia was briefly legal in Australia's Northern Territory back in the '90's. There were an incredibly large number of restrictions to it; the patients needed to be fully psychology evaluated to ensure they were mentally healthy, they were physically evaluated to confirm that they were suffering from an incurable syndrome and the actual process gave the person as many chances to back out as they possibly can.

Unfortunately, territorial laws can be overturned by the federal government, which was heavily conservative at the time. That said, my best guess is that the current Labour government would probably make the same call.
Posted 11-11-2009 at 04:46 PM by Nate

Leto's Avatar
DOPSTOK

HELLO

Posted 11-11-2009 at 07:37 PM by Leto

Pilot's Avatar
Just think of the things you can do with Cat Pee concentrate.
Posted 11-11-2009 at 07:45 PM by Pilot

Sekto Springs's Avatar
Geez, you guys waste no time in defacing my intricately worded, highly opinionated rant.

I'm going to go and commit suicide now.
Posted 11-11-2009 at 08:29 PM by Sekto Springs

Dipstikk's Avatar
CHRUS DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO

sorry sorry okay ow sorry ow OW
Posted 11-11-2009 at 08:40 PM by Dipstikk
Updated 11-11-2009 at 08:47 PM by Dipstikk

Sekto Springs's Avatar
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Euthanasia was briefly legal in Australia's Northern Territory back in the '90's. There were an incredibly large number of restrictions to it; the patients needed to be fully psychology evaluated to ensure they were mentally healthy, they were physically evaluated to confirm that they were suffering from an incurable syndrome and the actual process gave the person as many chances to back out as they possibly can.
That's fascinating, actually.

I've always wondered if such medical concepts could be applied in a holistic sense. What about those seeking assisted suicide who have the potential to get well but simply can't afford it or don't want to pop pills for months on end?
Ethically speaking, it sounds like a double standard for doctors to choose who deserves to be in pain and who doesn't.
Posted 11-11-2009 at 08:51 PM by Sekto Springs

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I can't see myself taking my life under almost any circumstances. One, like dearest Matt, I'm too cowardly to do it. And two, life, as far I think, is the only thing we've got and once you lose it, you become nothing and will stay that way forever. Everyone has the right to do whatever with their life, but I feel that's something that must be considered before they make such a decision. As for euthanasia, I guess it should be the person's will if that they are ever in a kind of situation, such as PVS, whatever they feel is appropriate should happen. If they haven't written a will, who do you turn to? Terry Schiavo was euthanized even though her parents said she wouldn't have wanted it but her husband did. Who has the proper emotional linkage to a person that they can make the right decision? As Dipstikk said, there are very many gray areas and truthfully, I haven't given it enough thought or educated myself enough to give proper input.
Posted 11-11-2009 at 08:52 PM by used:)

Dipstikk's Avatar
More people need to comment on this instead of my crap.

I'm curious, how would someone go about regulating suicide? How would you make sure it wasn't exploited?
Posted 11-12-2009 at 03:19 PM by Dipstikk

 

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