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God can't talk. Or, why Pascal can sod off.

Posted 03-09-2009 at 10:02 AM by Nemo

Excuse me if this blog post doesn't seem as well thought out as my other ones. I'm a bit tired at the moment.

Either God doesn't exist and I'm right, or it's all a moot point.

If a god does exist, then there is no way in knowing that he exists, short of her coming down to Earth and proving to us all that it is a god.

Even if this happened, there is no real way of knowing that he is being honest. For all we know, she is only perfect in everyway that we can tell, while still being as flawed as humans in other ways that we can't tell.

And, if God is just (which it would have to be in order for him to deserve worship, in my opinion,) then he has no problem with us not believing in her.

Either God doesn't exist and I'm right, or it's all a moot point.

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And, if God is just (which it would have to be in order for him to deserve worship, in my opinion,) then he has no problem with us not believing in her.

Some of us might think it’s noble/humble/right to let people believe what they want, but it’s not self-evident that our values can apply to God, especially if God turns out to meet all your other criteria.

Pascal made an important point; maybe not flawless, but an important stepping stone in thought.

Pascal: not just for triangles!

Posted 03-09-2009 at 11:37 AM by Wil

	If I was God I'd be pissed if people just believed in me to get a free ticket into Paradise.
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 11:50 AM by Wings of Fire

	Like that time I wanted to see you naked just to get a free ticket to orgasm?
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 12:03 PM by Wil

	I wasn't pissed at you then though.
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 12:05 PM by Wings of Fire

	I was kinda pissed at myself for thinking in that way, though.
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 12:11 PM by Wil

	I bear you no ill will, it's happened before.
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 12:21 PM by Wings of Fire

	If god isn't just and tortures me for eternity for not believing in him, then fuck her.
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 12:25 PM by Nemo

	Which does nothing to help your current predicament.
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 01:20 PM by Wings of Fire

	Neither would bowing down to some mystery of a deity.
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 01:43 PM by Nemo

	Exactly.
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 01:48 PM by Wings of Fire

	: I bear you no ill will, it's happened before. Ah. Appeal to unoriginality. <3
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 01:51 PM by Wil

	BABEL FISH CONUNDRUM MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU KNOW IT!?
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 02:00 PM by Mac Sirloin

	: If god isn't just and tortures me for eternity for not believing in him, then fuck her. How is that not Just? God knows that s/he is the supreme being in Creation. For you not to worship him/her would be a betrayal and the only Just thing to do would be punishment.
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 02:10 PM by Nate

	Inb4freewill
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 02:24 PM by Wings of Fire

	Nate, that might be the silliest thing I have ever read. I hope that was you attempting to be funny. Not worshiping a creature that you don't think exists is not a justification for eternal torment. It may be a reason (a bad one) but it isn't a justification.
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 02:42 PM by OANST

	Let the heresy begin! Infinite torment for crimes which are not infinite? I must say i agree with OANST on this one (gasp). The whole statement contradics the idea of a loving God.
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 02:52 PM by shaman

	A loving parent will smack a naughty child. [/Devil's advocate]
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 03:00 PM by Wings of Fire

	Smacking and unimaginable torment for ever and ever.... See what i'm getting at here?
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 03:05 PM by shaman

	If I believed in a Hell I certainly wouldn't believe in an eternal one, a sin that could only properly be comprehended by the Divine could be redeemed in a similar fashion, Jesus preached forgiveness.
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 03:12 PM by Wings of Fire

Again I would like to point out that if God is the supreme being that is the cause of everything, then His definition of what is right supersedes Our own. That’s the joy of the supernatural: you can’t defeat it with reality, which is merely natural (or subsupernatural).

Also it’s worth being aware that not all interpretations of Hell are that it lasts for eternity, but that it goes on for no more than is necessary for atonement. I don’t think there’s an Earthly record of Helltime for particular sins, but it implies finite durations.

Posted 03-09-2009 at 03:18 PM by Wil

	This brings into mind Star Ocean 3, I would do exactly what the protagonists did, had I a chance.
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 03:25 PM by Wings of Fire

	This really needs to be a thread. Seriously though, I love blacks. If I could just buy a farm somewhere and round up all the black people in the world and let them just.... roam free..... that'd be.... that'd be... God that'd be terrible!
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 04:32 PM by Pilot Updated 03-09-2009 at 04:34 PM by Pilot

	I buy all my minstrels free range. Or go out and hunt them myself. I have no idea how this is relevant, but using surrealism to highlight the absurdity of prejudice is a favourite activity of mine.
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 04:40 PM by Wil

	Nothing is relevant, it's all in your mind.
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 04:51 PM by Pilot

	I have no interest in debating the intricacies of religion and moral claims about their gods without first having established whether any of them are true. There's no point trying to find the answer to a question before you know that the question even has an answer. Knowing to ask the right questions in the right order are essential to proper inquiry. And not all questions deserve an answer.
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 05:08 PM by Bullet Magnet

	ANGELS DO NOT HAVE NAVELS
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 05:11 PM by Wings of Fire

	What is the political affiliation of the hue of Magnesium Chlorate?
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 05:25 PM by Bullet Magnet

	I could put up a good case for all naturally occurring chemicals being anarchical by definition.
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 05:33 PM by Wings of Fire

	: ANGELS DO NOT HAVE NAVELS But actors do. : What is the political affiliation of the hue of Magnesium Chlorate? What is the moral stance of the hue of hydrated chromic oxide?
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 05:46 PM by Pilot

	That question does not deserve an answer! See?
	Posted 03-09-2009 at 05:47 PM by Bullet Magnet

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