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How clean is your water?

Recently I ended up in a debate (on 9Gag of all places) about how clean tap water is in different countries. And one thing that always amazes me is that many places in the US add chlorine and/or fluoride to the drinking water supply and think this is a perfectly acceptable thing to do. There are places where you can open your kitchen faucet and you'll instantly think you're in a swimming pool. And people drink that shit. Not to mention fluoride... Almost every state in the US adds fluoride to the water supply for the sole purpose of keeping peoples teeth in good condition.

I can understand fluoride MAYBE back in like the 30's when dental care products weren't as sophisticated as they are today, but come on. People brush their teeth, there's like a million different kinds of toothpaste out there, most of them containing fluoride. It's in food, it's in drinks. But at the end of the day that stuff is toxic and it doesn't really take that much to die from. Drinking water, by definition, should be free of toxins as much as realistically possible and here there are people purposefully adding it. Same thing for chlorine. We live in 2016 and there have been alternate methods of cleaning drinking water for decades.

What baffles me is that people are defending this as if it's the most normal thing in the world to add not one, but TWO toxic chemicals to the drinking water supply...

For reference, us Dutchies, the kings and queens of anything water related, do not add chlorine to our water. It's forbidden by law for water companies to do this, and our water is some of the cleanest I've ever tasted safe for water that comes directly from springs (i.e Iceland, but that water stinks of sulfer). Same goes for fluoride. And guess what, dental health around here is on par with any other Western country.

Water is one of your most basic human needs to survive and it should always be as clean and as pure as it can possibly be. Adding in chlorine and fucking fluoride is not healthy no matter what anyone says.
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You're still able to buy mineral water in bottles...
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Our water hasn't got enough chlorine to have a swimming pool feel. I bet we just can't that much chlorine in Poland.

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Ours is really clean hard water in the south east, they add chlorine and fluorine but I don't give a crap about that. It's crystal clear, but go further up north and it's a bit cloudy.
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Ours is really clean hard water in the south east, they add chlorine and fluorine but I don't give a crap about that. It's crystal clear, to ugh further up north and it's a bit cloudy.
So happy for you! There's no need for me to send you those bottles.
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Is there actually any evidence that fluoride in water is harmful? It's very easy to harp on about toxins in our water, in our food etc but is there any real scientific data to back it up? Wikipedia says that evidence for the adverse effects of water fluoridation is scarce and of low-quality. That there's a lot of scientific data to suggest that water fluoridation does benefit our collective dental health. But, you know, that's just a quick glance of wikipedia.... I haven't looked deeper in to this at all...
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You're still able to buy mineral water in bottles...
By the way don’t buy bottled water if you can help it. The production is bad for the environment and it always has a huge profit markup on it, especially since you can get tap water for free.

Also, this crap.
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Fluoride itself is lethal to humans when ingesting about 10mg. Of course you could argue "well then don't ingest that much!", but anything that is toxic in such amounts should not be added to a basic need like water. And it's certainly not up to a government body to decide that people should ingest it for their health. If people want to do that, they are perfectly capable of adding it to their diet themselves. Water in the US has about 0.7mg per liter of water, so that's a pretty steady stream of the stuff you ingest if you drink enough water every single day.

I'm not a health nut by any stretch of the imagination, but stuff like this just irks me. It's not right to mess with the most basic of survival commodities like that.
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By the way don’t buy bottled water if you can help it. The production is bad for the environment and it always has a huge profit markup on it, especially since you can get tap water for free.

Also, this crap.
I am for the free market and I don't care about the "environment" as a secular religion.
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I am for the free market and I don't care about the "environment" as a secular religion.
So you would be okay with breathable air being a sold commodity then? With the only way to obtain it and thus survive is by going to a store and buying a canister to help you through the month, or take off your mask and breath the smog outside and die at age 30?
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Havoc, in 2016, there is no such thing as free water.
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Ours is really clean hard water in the south east, they add chlorine and fluorine but I don't give a crap about that. It's crystal clear, to ugh further up north and it's a bit cloudy.
I was about to be mad but then I remembered this is almost 100% true. For most of my life I've had crystal clear water because I lived in a large town situated in a valley, most of our lovely none-washing-machine-destroying soft water came from springs and such. But since moving to Leeds, a much more densley populated city, the quality of water dropped immensely to the point where water from our taps just stays cloudy.

Of course being stubbornly lower class and turning my nose up to the idea of paying for water when I already pay for tap water, this has never bothered me; especially considering almost all the water I consume is boiled and added to a solute of instant coffee.

E: Here's an image for (dis)clarity. The cloudiness does settle after some time, this was immediately from the tap

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Havoc, You make it sound like Fluoride in the water equates to living in Palestine.

Or. Y'know. Michigan.
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Is that really high mineral content, or just pollution, Josh? Ours is literally crystal clear but so fucking hard, your kettle will go white and furry inside in months.
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Is that really high mineral content, or just pollution, Josh? Ours is literally crystal clear but so fucking hard, your kettle will go white and furry inside in months.
I'm honestly not sure,the clarity of the water changes depending on what floor of the house you draw it from. If I do feel the need to drink water then I take it from the bathroom upstairs as it's much less cloudy.

Student housing I guess, what can you do. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Havoc, in 2016, there is no such thing as free water.
I pay like €1,50 for 1000 liters of water. It might just as well be free. But that's not the point I was making and you know it.
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Damn, Poland is a poor country, but still, our water doesn't look like milk (or worse)
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yeah, i'm completely against fluoride and shit being added to drinking water. maybe i'm just being paranoid, but i believe our governments want to control us without us knowing, and that is wrong. increasing the amount of fluoride in drinking water makes people docile and subservient, and you know who else did this? the Nazis. they increased the fluoride content in drinking water in concentration camps and the like to keep the population docile and less likely to start an uprising, so they could keep them under control easier. i don't believe that is a coincidence.

governments are shady motherfuckers, and i find this kind of information both sickening and terrifying. maybe i'm wrong though, maybe the real reason behind it isn't to control the nation or sell a waste by-product that would otherwise be expensive to get rid of, maybe the truth is they just really care about dental hygiene or something. but i don't believe that for a second. no way. they're not that innocent. there are other, safer ways to improve dental hygiene through drinking water. saying "we just do it because it keeps your teeth clean!" is a fucking childish, pathetic excuse. how could anyone believe that after realizing how toxic fluoride is and what it's long-term effects are on those who consume it? take a look at this, i emboldened/underlined most of the relevant information:

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First of all, it needs to be stated that the 'substance' referred to as 'Fluoride' is a misnomer - there is no such substance listed in the periodic chart of the elements, nor in the prestigious CRC handbook, nor in the sacred 'bible' of the pharmaceutical industry - the illustrious 'Merck Index'. Instead, we find a GAS called Fluorine - and from the use of this gas in various industries such as aluminum manufacturing and the nuclear industry -certain toxic byproducts are created which have 'captured' fluorine molecules. One such toxic, poisonous 'byproduct' is called sodium Fluoride - which according to the Merck Index is primarily used as rat and cockroach poison and is also the active ingredient in most toothpastes and as an "additive to drinking water". But sadly, there is much more to this sordid tale.

Did you know that sodium Fluoride is also one of the basic ingredients in both PROZAC (FLUoxetene Hydrochloride) and Sarin Nerve Gas (Isopropyl-Methyl-Phosphoryl FLUORIDE) - (Yes, folks the same Sarin Nerve Gas that terrorists released on a crowded Japanese subway train!). Let me repeat: the truth the American public needs to understand is the fact that Sodium Fluoride is nothing more (or less) than a hazardous waste by-product of the nuclear and aluminum industries. In addition to being the primary ingredient in rat and cockroach poisons, it is also a main ingredient in anesthetic, hypnotic, and psychiatric drugs as well as military NERVE GAS! Why, oh why then is it allowed to be added to the toothpastes and drinking water of the American people?

Historically, this substance was quite expensive for the worlds' premier chemical companies to dispose of - but in the 50's and 60's - Alcoa and the entire aluminum industry - with a vast overabundance of the toxic waste - SOMEHOW sold the FDA and our government on the insane (but highly profitable) idea of buying this poison at a 20,000% markup and then injecting it into our water supply as well as into the nation's toothpastes and dental rinse. Yes that's right folks, a 20,000% markup. Consider also that when sodium Fluoride is injected into our drinking water, its level is approximately 1 part-per-million (ppm), but since we only drink ½ of one percent of the total water supply, the hazardous chemical literally 'goes down the drain' and voila - the chemical industry has not only a free hazardous waste disposal system - but we have also PAID them handsomely in the process!!

Independent scientific evidence over the past 50 plus years has shown that sodium fluoride shortens our life span, promotes various cancers and mental disturbances, and most importantly, makes humans stupid, docile, and subservient, all in one neat little package. There is increasing evidence that aluminum in the brain is a causative factor in Alzheimer's Disease, and evidence points towards sodium fluoride's strong affinity to 'bond' with this dangerous aluminum (remember it is a byproduct of aluminum manufacturing) and also it has the ability to 'trick' the blood-brain barrier by imitating the hydrogen ion thus allowing this chemical access to brain tissue.

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Do you have diabetes and/or kidney disease? There are reportedly more than 11 million Americans with diabetes. If it is true that diabetics drink more liquids than other people, then according to the Physicians Desk Reference these 11 million people are at much higher risk drinking fluoridated water because they will receive a much deadlier dose because of their need for higher than normal water consumption. Kidney disease, by definition, lowers the efficiency of the kidneys, which of course is the primary means in which fluoride (or any other toxic chemical) is eliminated from the body. Does it not make sense that these people shouldn't drink fluoridated water at all? Cases are on record (Annapolis, Maryland, 1979) where ill kidney patients on dialysis machines died because they ingested relatively small amounts of SODIUM FLUORIDE from unwittingly drinking the 'fluoridated' city water supply? Will adequate warnings be given to people with weak kidneys, or will the real cause of such deaths be 'covered up' in the name of 'domestic tranquility'?

Concerning the 'practice' of putting sodium fluoride into drinking water, where did this insanity begin and WHO tried it first? From personal research, the very first occurrence of purposefully putting sodium fluoride into drinking water was in the German ghettos and in Nazi Germany's infamous prison camps. The Gestapo you see had little concern about sodium fluoride's 'supposed' effect on children's teeth; instead, their reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to STERILIZE HUMANS and force the people in their concentration camps into calm, bovine, submission. (See for reference: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" written by Joseph Borkin.) Kind of shocking isn't it folks!! Ah, but it gets even better.

The following letter was received by the Lee Foundation for Nutritional Research, Milwaukee Wisconsin, on 2 October 1954, from a research chemist by the name of Charles Perkins. He writes:

"I have your letter of September 29 asking for further documentation regarding a statement made in my book, "The Truth about Water Fluoridation", to the effect that the idea of water fluoridation was brought to England from Russia by the Russian Communist Kreminoff. In the 1930's Hitler and the German Nazis envisioned a world to be dominated and controlled by a Nazi philosophy of pan-Germanism. The German chemists worked out a very ingenious and far-reaching plan of mass-control which was submitted to and adopted by the German General Staff. This plan was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water supplies. By this method they could control the population in whole areas, reduce population by water medication that would produce sterility in women, and so on. In this scheme of mass-control, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place.

"Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination, by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, thus making him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. [A convenient and cost-effective light lobotomy? --- Ott].

"The real reason behind water fluoridation is not to benefit children's teeth. If this were the real reason there are many ways in which it could be done that are much easier, cheaper, and far more effective. The real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the resistance of the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty."

"When the Nazis under Hitler decided to go to Poland, both the German General Staff and the Russian General Staff exchanged scientific and military ideas, plans, and personnel, and the scheme of mass control through water medication was seized upon by the Russian Communists because it fitted ideally into their plans to communize the world."

"I was told of this entire scheme by a German chemist who was an official of the great I.G. Farben chemical industries and was also prominent in the Nazi movement at the time. I say this with all the earnestness and sincerity of a scientist who has spent nearly 20 years' research into the chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology of fluorine --- any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person mentally or physically."

Signed: CHARLES E. PERKINS, Chemist, 2 October, 1954.
and it continues. from here. yeah, it's a religious site but that doesn't mean what they've said is wrong. i agree with them.

but, in the end, i can't afford to buy bottled spring water so i just drink our shitty, fluoride-tainted water our government lovingly supplies us and become more and more docile and passive. i have no choice in the matter. that's wrong, and that's bullshit.

see, this is one of the main reasons why i hate governments as a whole. they be sneaky, controlling, manipulative businessmen who care only for the majority, so fuck you if you're in the minority that disagrees with their methods. again, you have no choice. it's unfair.

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Havoc, I do not want to argue. My point is simple: if you can't stand the taste of tap water then you can still buy (Sekto Springs) bottled water who are less expensive than alcohol and soft drinks.

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Havoc, I do not want to argue. My point is simple: if you can't stand the taste of tap water then you can still buy (Sekto Springs) bottled water who are less expensive than alcohol and soft drinks.
I'd rather spend my money on alcohol and soda, and die quicker than buy bottled water.
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Havoc, I do not want to argue. My point is simple: if you can't stand the taste of tap water then you can still buy (Sekto Springs) bottled water who are less expensive than alcohol and soft drinks.
except people like me (and many others) can't afford to buy bottled water for the rest of their lives because it's more expensive than paying for the fluoride-tainted water the water companies provide. they shouldn't fuck with the water supply, full stop. it should be pure.
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I'd rather spend my money on alcohol and soda, and die quicker than buy bottled water.
I agree: it's a matter of choice.
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Havoc, in 2016, there is no such thing as free water.
No, but access to safe and clean drinking water is a human right, and the UN specifically puts provisions that water must be made available in sufficient quantities, physically accessible for use, and affordable for all.

This is incompatible with the views of companies like Nestle who want to control access to water supplies and charging for access.
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Manco, do you believe in global warming?
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Wow, I didn't realise Havoc was such a conspiracy nut.

Anyway, here in Manchester it varies. In my house (and most houses around here) it's always best to let the water run for a bit before filling up a glass, otherwise it's not as cold. The hot water is cloudy for some reason even though the cold water isn't and after a while of sitting out the cold tap water tastes of chlorine.

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So you would be okay with breathable air being a sold commodity then? With the only way to obtain it and thus survive is by going to a store and buying a canister to help you through the month, or take off your mask and breath the smog outside and die at age 30?
Uh, you do realise that there is virtually no difference between that and how we live right now, right?

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Fluoride itself is lethal to humans when ingesting about 10mg. Of course you could argue "well then don't ingest that much!", but anything that is toxic in such amounts should not be added to a basic need like water. And it's certainly not up to a government body to decide that people should ingest it for their health. If people want to do that, they are perfectly capable of adding it to their diet themselves. Water in the US has about 0.7mg per liter of water, so that's a pretty steady stream of the stuff you ingest if you drink enough water every single day.

I'm not a health nut by any stretch of the imagination, but stuff like this just irks me. It's not right to mess with the most basic of survival commodities like that.
In order to get chemical poisoning from water, the amount you would have to drink would probably kill you through brain damage before poisoning you. And that's assuming you didn't throw it up.
Don't be such a nob. Adding chemicals to water is perfectly acceptable, or would you rather we get parasites instead?


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No, but access to safe and clean drinking water is a human right, and the UN specifically puts provisions that water must be made available in sufficient quantities, physically accessible for use, and affordable for all.
Surely you know that it isn't the case though? Only an idiot would think that everyone has access to clean drinking water.
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It's clean enough here, and local councils sometime mail little test kits that they will collect from your front door to keep tabs on the water quality.
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Who drinks bottled water, here (except Varrok and I)?
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Manco, do you believe in global warming?
It’s not a case of believing, it’s a case of coming to a conclusion based on evidence.


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Surely you know that it isn't the case though? Only an idiot would think that everyone has access to clean drinking water.
I’m not saying that everyone does have access, but that’s what the law says should be the case.

The UN only explicitly confirmed access to water as a human right in 2010, and certainly not every state will be in compliance with the recommendations. So of course there’s still lots of work to be done to make that universal.
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