Pixar

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MOD EDIT: This thread split off from 'I Have Just Seen... III' here.

Pixar is brilliant, but I can't for the life of me work out why, of all their films, they chose Cars to make a sequel of.

[Mr. Bungle]

Pixar is brilliant, but I can't for the life of me work out why, of all their films, they chose Cars to make a sequel of.

I never saw Cars, only Pixar film I haven't. Oh, I haven't seen Rattatouille either. The rest of them are brilliant(I'm sure the latter is too).

I want a fucking sequel to A Bugs Life, that movie is just so goddamn good.

[Sekto Springs]

You can thank John Lasseter for Cars. You can also thank him for just about every fart joke, fat joke, redneck joke, or annoying side character in every Pixar film to date.

However, a sequel to Cars should be the least of your worries...

[Mac Sirloin]

Pixar is brilliant, but I can't for the life of me work out why, of all their films, they chose Cars to make a sequel of.

Because it's their most popular movie in years. Kids fucking inhale Cars merchandise. And it's not like Cars itself was particularly bad, it was just really stupid.

[scrabface]

I wouldn't call Pixar brilliant. they still use the same plot over and over again. they only are better than the rest of the big animation companies.
I say Studio 4°C is brilliant. but they're japanese, so...

[Mac Sirloin]

I wouldn't call Pixar brilliant. they still use the same plot over and over again.

Elaborate, please.

[Wings of Fire]

And if you use one of those little script things with blank spaces I swear to god I will negrep you.

[MeechMunchie]

I wouldn't call Pixar brilliant. they still use the same plot over and over again. they only are better than the rest of the big animation companies.

HERESY HERESY BURN THE HERETIC

[OANST]

I don't love all of Pixar's films, but I get the feeling that the Pixar people really love making all of their films. Even the one's that I really don't care for (Cars) don't feel like Disney films, where I imagine a shriveled old man in a leather chair, smoking a cigar, staring down at the animators through a two way mirror.

Also, in my opinion, Wall-E is the finest animated film ever made. That movie was fucking magic.

[scrabface]

Elaborate, please.

Pixar and Disney always deal with the same subject. family, friendship, good & evil and so on. I mean it's okay, they stand for it, but that limits their possibility of variation. So the most impressive thing about them is that they always find new ways of telling the same old story. The crew is very creative and they reach a new technological level with every film, but you know what you get.
BUT their policy and the way they treat new creative students is a catastrophe. everytime when I watch a new pixar or disney I get more of the feeling they're selling me a product than showing me something unique and arty.

WALL-E has been truly their greatest film yet.

Now there are so many creative minds and small studios laying in the shadow of those big Corp. and well that's the way it is, but in comparison, Pixar doesn't hit me that much.
p.e. Up won the academy award against The Secret of Kells, and I expected it, but it also shows me that most people don't even know any other animation studios, because Disney & Co is omnipresent.

Try to watch some films done by Studio 4°C or by Satoshi Kon (who sadly deceased this year). There are so many great russian and french animation films you can find too.

[MeechMunchie]

Pixar and Disney always deal with the same subject. family, friendship, good & evil and so on.

Name me one good film that doesn't involve at least one of those.

[OddjobAbe]

200 Motels. That doesn't deal with anything.

[Mac Sirloin]

Pixar and Disney always deal with the same subject. family, friendship, good & evil and so on. I mean it's okay, they stand for it, but that limits their possibility of variation. So the most impressive thing about them is that they always find new ways of telling the same old story. The crew is very creative and they reach a new technological level with every film, but you know what you get.
BUT their policy and the way they treat new creative students is a catastrophe. everytime when I watch a new pixar or disney I get more of the feeling they're selling me a product than showing me something unique and arty.

WALL-E has been truly their greatest film yet.

Now there are so many creative minds and small studios laying in the shadow of those big Corp. and well that's the way it is, but in comparison, Pixar doesn't hit me that much.
p.e. Up won the academy award against The Secret of Kells, and I expected it, but it also shows me that most people don't even know any other animation studios, because Disney & Co is omnipresent.

Try to watch some films done by Studio 4°C or by Satoshi Kon (who sadly deceased this year). There are so many great russian and french animation films you can find too.

You're not actually giving me a straight answer. Tell me exactly how the plot of one Pixar film is identical to another.

You feel like you're being sold a product? What about UP, a film that had absolutely no merchandising but still appealed to viewers across the board? And guess what: Nobody has fucking heard of The Secret of Kells beyond internerds and movielosers. It's just some pretty Irish cartoon movie with some Celtic lore. UP was a successful animated film who's main character was a grumpy old man.

I could not care less about your repellent eastern European art cartoons or fancy-shmancy "Studio 4°C". You sound like some Hipster pooping all over Pixar because it's more successful than the pretentious garbage you drown yourself in.

family, friendship, good & evil and so on.

Wall-E had nothing to do with any of those things except for friendship, maybe. It's not even like Auto was truly evil, since he was just doing what he was programmed to do. Same with Ratatouille. And Finding Nemo and so on and so on and you get it. It's great.

[ziggy]

The problems with some of Pixar's movies isn't that they are too similar to each other (because they aren't) but kind of going off Scrabface's rant; sort of, cartoons are supposed to be fun, and Pixar sometimes compromises being fun for trying to give a moral message, or being appropriate. I mean they lack funny original jokes and animation style for the sake of cartoon silliness, which Pixar lacks most of the time. Especially in Finding Nemo, that was just boring.

[scrabface]

You're not actually giving me a straight answer. Tell me exactly how the plot of one Pixar film is identical to another.

You feel like you're being sold a product? What about UP, a film that had absolutely no merchandising but still appealed to viewers across the board? And guess what: Nobody has fucking heard of The Secret of Kells beyond internerds and movielosers. It's just some pretty Irish cartoon movie with some Celtic lore. UP was a successful animated film who's main character was a grumpy old man.

mhm very good point. so whenever somethings very popular, that must be a good thing. like Britney Spears oh and Transformers 2

I could not care less about your repellent eastern European art cartoons or fancy-shmancy "Studio 4°C". You sound like some Hipster pooping all over Pixar because it's more successful than the pretentious garbage you drown yourself in.

...fancy-shamncy ... It's you who sound more personally attacked as you don't seem able to stay away from getting harsh.

Wall-E had nothing to do with any of those things except for friendship, maybe. It's not even like Auto was truly evil, since he was just doing what he was programmed to do. Same with Ratatouille. And Finding Nemo and so on and so on and you get it. It's great.

lol come on, there's the villain

here are the heroes
together they finally defeat him and rescue the restaurant.

finding nemo is a bit more complex at this point, you're right, the sharks aren't really evil as they have to eat fish, but they turned out to be vegetarians at the end, which I found silly, the same with the deep sea anglerfish, but if you didn't get the moral canings in this film, you seem to had too much.


the moral of every! Disney and Pixar film at the end is "working together solves all the problem".
Finding Nemo, all the fish in the net have to swim down together so they can escape.

A Bug's Life, all the bugs finally fight together against those grasshoppers. (I liked the humour in Antz so much better) the whole movie seemed to be a punch against the uprising Dreamworks Animation studio

The Incredibles, finally the family starts fighting together.

blablabla

all those Characters have their secrets; the secret rat, the secret super heroes, the secret monsters, the secret toys,...

all those Characters look extremely cute to avoid the Uncanny Valley, I think that's ok, but it's part of the formula.

all those super villains used to have a special or english accent so they stick out, hm but thinking of mojojojo ... accents can be soo funny

I like Pixar, but I know what I get. It's nice if you get surprised all the time. but in my opinion, they're not brilliant.
if you find them brilliant, that's fine, but you don't have to feel offended if I don't join all this glory.

[Nate]

Also, in my opinion, Wall-E is the finest animated film ever made. That movie was fucking magic.

I disagree. If you only include the first half hour on Planet Earth, you are right but the moment they got on to the spaceship and introduced the cartoonishly-designed, -animated and -doltish humans it went downhill.

Up had the same problem; it started so incredibly beautifully and I was even prepared to accept the balloon-house premise, but the moment they introduced the talking dogs and bird thing, it turned in to a generic kid's movie.

My favourite Pixar film is Finding Nemo, but I'm not going to pretend that is anything more than a personal preference. Also, it may be an unpopular thing to say, but I quite liked Cars.

[Daxter King]

The problems with some of Pixar's movies isn't that they are too similar to each other (because they aren't) but kind of going off Scrabface's rant; sort of, cartoons are supposed to be fun, and Pixar sometimes compromises being fun for trying to give a moral message, or being appropriate. I mean they lack funny original jokes and animation style for the sake of cartoon silliness, which Pixar lacks most of the time. Especially in Finding Nemo, that was just boring.

Fuck you. Cartoons are not supposed to be fun. They are supposed to fulfill the original vision of whomever created them, whether that be fun or not. To say cartoons can only be fun is fucking retarded.

[ziggy]

You're weird.

[Mac Sirloin]

mhm very good point. so whenever somethings very popular, that must be a good thing. like Britney Spears oh and Transformers 2

So you're saying that when lots of people like something, it's bad? Are you fucking retarded? And what kind of half-shit mind-ass point are you throwing up by bringing up Trans 2 and Britney Spears? They're completely fucking irrelevant.

...fancy-shamncy ... It's you who sound more personally attacked as you don't seem able to stay away from getting harsh.

Getting harsh? What, calling you a hipster is harsh? You don't know what harsh is, bitch. Talk to half the people I've blown up at here about harsh and they'll say I'm being reasonable with your stupid ass.

lol come on, there's the villain

..and? You didn't make a point. You posted a character.

here are the heroes
together they finally defeat him and rescue the restaurant.

Have you even watched Ratatouille? They don't rescue shit. You're stupid.

finding nemo is a bit more complex at this point, you're right, the sharks aren't really evil as they have to eat fish, but they turned out to be vegetarians at the end, which I found silly, the same with the deep sea anglerfish, but if you didn't get the moral canings in this film

The sharks appeared in what? Two, three scenes? Nobody mentioned them as villains. I'm saying that anyone can draw obnoxious half-connections for the purpose of making themselves look smart. The problem is your dealing with the kind of Hero who has seen all of these movies at least twice (Eight times for Finding Nemo, thoguh only two were voluntary) and also has a vast library of general movie knowledge and filmological dipshittery. You're an underaged hipster who doesn't like popular things. (Oop! Them generalisations, huh?)

you seem to had too much.

Illiterate little pedophile.

the moral of every! Disney and Pixar film at the end is "working together solves all the problem".

Ignoring this glaring mouthfart of a point, are you saying that it's wrong to ingrain the message that cooperation and teamwork into kids from an early age?

all those Characters have their secrets; the secret rat, the secret super heroes, the secret monsters, the secret toys,...

AND?

all those Characters look extremely cute to avoid the Uncanny Valley, I think that's ok, but it's part of the formula.

They're kids movies. Why shouldn't they the characters be designed in such a way that would appeal to children? Why are you so fucking oblivious?

all those super villains used to have a special or english accent so they stick out, hm but thinking of mojojojo ... accents can be soo funny

Yes, and then people got tired of every villain being British and the formula got mixed up, but apparently you're still stuck in the days when Limey-Pete could twirl his mustache all day and be considered threatening. . If every single Pixar movie was so identical as your pathetic tiny brain chugs to think they are, wouldn't every villain be a Junior Frankenstein who tortures the main characters' friends?

I like Pixar, but I know what I get. It's nice if you get surprised all the time. but in my opinion, they're not brilliant.
if you find them brilliant, that's fine, but you don't have to feel offended if I don't join all this glory.

Correction: You blatantly dislike Pixar because everyone else likes it, but still claim to like it as you don;t want to come across as the miserable, non-Pixar-enjoying scum that you are.

Scrabface, I'm seeing lots and lots of text and little substance. What you're doing is generalizing the shit out of Pixar movies and pretending that somehow constitutes an argument. It doesn't.

Now, as for Antz (which was stupid): Disney had been working on making a film involving ants since 1988. Ten years before the release of Antz. The guy who created Antz (Jeffrey Katzenburg) was an ex-Pixar employee who was forced to resign because he kept badgering Micheal Eisner to promote him after the previous position holder died in a helicopter crash. He then almost went bankrupt in creating Dreamworks itself. He was a petty turd and an unoriginal bastard. A Bug's Life was a retelling of The Seven Samurai, pretty much the greatest film ever made. Antz was fine in its own right, but it was still dumb. A Bug's Life was dumb too, but the fact that it was based on the greatest film ever made kind of gives it headway over "Woody Allen stutters as an ant for an hour and then the bad guy drowns".

Seriously, don't even let the thought that you can out movie-talk me flicker across your feculent pea brain. You're dirt underneath my worst shoe wearing my shittiest socks, smelliest pants and greasiest shirt. Get out of here with your opinions and such.

[Sekto Springs]

"Woody Allen stutters as an ant for an hour and then the bad guy drowns"

He actually face-plants on a root, which is even dumber.

Scrabface: I used to think I could win arguments with petty strawman generalizations as well, but you'll find out soon enough how well that goes.
I'm going to be gracious and check out some of Studio 4°C's shit. And if it's not better than Pixar, I get to to knee you in the balls. Deal?

[Mac Sirloin]

I'm going to be gracious and check out some of Studio 4°C's shit. And if it's not better than Pixar, I get to to knee you in the balls. Deal?

And if you film it, it will be the greatest film ever made.

[Strike Witch]

I'm going to be gracious and check out some of Studio 4°C's shit. And if it's not better than Pixar, I get to to knee you in the balls. Deal?

I suggest this, as it's one of their best apparently.

The only one of theirs I've seen that wasn't a compilation film (like the ones they did for Animatrix, Halo Legends, or Batman) or their work for TFA was the movie Spriggan, which was a pretty great action movie.

[scrabface]

So you're saying that when lots of people like something, it's bad? Are you fucking retarded? And what kind of half-shit mind-ass point are you throwing up by bringing up Trans 2 and Britney Spears? They're completely fucking irrelevant.


Getting harsh? What, calling you a hipster is harsh? You don't know what harsh is, bitch. Talk to half the people I've blown up at here about harsh and they'll say I'm being reasonable with your stupid ass.


..and? You didn't make a point. You posted a character.


Have you even watched Ratatouille? They don't rescue shit. You're stupid.



The sharks appeared in what? Two, three scenes? Nobody mentioned them as villains. I'm saying that anyone can draw obnoxious half-connections for the purpose of making themselves look smart. The problem is your dealing with the kind of Hero who has seen all of these movies at least twice (Eight times for Finding Nemo, thoguh only two were voluntary) and also has a vast library of general movie knowledge and filmological dipshittery. You're an underaged hipster who doesn't like popular things. (Oop! Them generalisations, huh?)

Illiterate little pedophile.


Ignoring this glaring mouthfart of a point, are you saying that it's wrong to ingrain the message that cooperation and teamwork into kids from an early age?


AND?


They're kids movies. Why shouldn't they the characters be designed in such a way that would appeal to children? Why are you so fucking oblivious?


Yes, and then people got tired of every villain being British and the formula got mixed up, but apparently you're still stuck in the days when Limey-Pete could twirl his mustache all day and be considered threatening. . If every single Pixar movie was so identical as your pathetic tiny brain chugs to think they are, wouldn't every villain be a Junior Frankenstein who tortures the main characters' friends?


Correction: You blatantly dislike Pixar because everyone else likes it, but still claim to like it as you don;t want to come across as the miserable, non-Pixar-enjoying scum that you are.

Scrabface, I'm seeing lots and lots of text and little substance. What you're doing is generalizing the shit out of Pixar movies and pretending that somehow constitutes an argument. It doesn't.

Now, as for Antz (which was stupid): Disney had been working on making a film involving ants since 1988. Ten years before the release of Antz. The guy who created Antz (Jeffrey Katzenburg) was an ex-Pixar employee who was forced to resign because he kept badgering Micheal Eisner to promote him after the previous position holder died in a helicopter crash. He then almost went bankrupt in creating Dreamworks itself. He was a petty turd and an unoriginal bastard. A Bug's Life was a retelling of The Seven Samurai, pretty much the greatest film ever made. Antz was fine in its own right, but it was still dumb. A Bug's Life was dumb too, but the fact that it was based on the greatest film ever made kind of gives it headway over "Woody Allen stutters as an ant for an hour and then the bad guy drowns".

Seriously, don't even let the thought that you can out movie-talk me flicker across your feculent pea brain. You're dirt underneath my worst shoe wearing my shittiest socks, smelliest pants and greasiest shirt. Get out of here with your opinions and such.

Calm down man, I can't see your problem. I don't try to talk anyone out of anything. My opinion is, they are not brilliant.
Only because A Bug's Life is based on The Seven Samurai, they totally screwed up the most important parts. mainly the end as no one but the farmers won, ended up in a typically disney finale. or the test.
ok, it's a kids movie, but missing the important elements of the film, where's the brilliance? And why have the ants only four legsnarms? because that's disney!

Anyway, there is no need to discuss this further as you seem to know me better than anyone, even myself. you're an idiot if you believe that I dislike Pixar (I don't) because they are popular (pff).
get off my fucking back you diva.

Yeah Tekkonkinkreet is a great film. Mind Game too (both Studio 4°C)
also Paprika by Satoshi Kon

[Wings of Fire]

I rate Ghibli higher than both of those.

[OANST]

I disagree. If you only include the first half hour on Planet Earth, you are right but the moment they got on to the spaceship and introduced the cartoonishly-designed, -animated and -doltish humans it went downhill.

I absolutely agree. Looking at my post, I had to wonder why I omitted the word "one" to make it say "one of the greatest animated films" instead of "the greatest animated film". But, yeah. The first half is so great, so moving, and so beautiful that I don't really even bother considering the second half of the film.

[Mac Sirloin]

I rate Ghibli higher than both of those.

Ghibli is Platinum-Oh-my-god-I-want-to-sex-up-those-landscapes-tier.

[STM]

Bug's Life
Toy Story
Wall.E
Tron (I believe)

All the classics guys, these where the films of my early/middle childhood

[Jordan]

I like most Pixar movies, there's still a few I haven't seen yet but want to. I think the only one I have seen that I didn't like is Cars. I thought that was stupid. I love Toy Story the most, it's still awesome even today.

[used:)]

I liked Cars, though it wasn't my favorite. Wall-E is definitely my favorite, just for the sheer style and heart of the film. The human characters were a satire on modern culture, and I'm perplexed as to how you can enjoy the goofiness of several Oddworldian characters but be turned off by the humans who really weren't all that silly if I remember correctly.

A Bug's Life was a huge gem in my childhood too, and it confuses my why they didn't build on it like they did with Toy Story.

As for Cars, I thinik they're continuing it just for profits and perhaps because they don't mind the risk of ruining it with sequels.

[ziggy]

Geez you guys. I haven't seen Wall-E, Cars, Up, Ratatouille, or Toy Story 2 or 3. I didn't realize how much you were all pixar fanboys. I should rent Wall-E now though, because of the good things I hear about it in this thread.