I Have Just Seen... VII -

Slog Bait · #**181** 03-03-2014, 11:41 AM

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it's Roald Dahl.

i agree about the aunts. it's one of my favourite bits when they turn up at the end in that old piece of shit car. and i also wanted to know more about that FUCKING AWESOME ROBOSHARK THING

I have an extreme aversion to Roald Dahl and derivatives of his work so hah

Seriously though, the fuck was up with that shark?

Manco · #**182** 03-03-2014, 11:51 AM

It’s a robot shark. It doesn’t need to justify itself to you.

MA · #**183** 03-03-2014, 11:52 AM

yeah, bitch. it just harpoons whales and giant flying fucking peaches.

Slog Bait · #**184** 03-03-2014, 01:22 PM

I demand explanations! I allow myself to believe I'm entitled to shit that I'm not actually entitled to! I NEED ANSWERS

Nepsotic · #**185** 03-03-2014, 03:24 PM

Just because it's Roald Dahl doesn't mean it has to suck, look at Willy Wonka, that film's great.

STM · #**186** 03-03-2014, 04:39 PM

Actually I thought Willy Wonka was boring as hell, plus Dahl hated the first film.

At the end of the day it's a kids film. It doesn't have to make sense, it's like when people complain that there are fires in Spongebob, let's all ignore the talking cleaning sponge and the shorts-clad starfish.

Slog Bait · #**187** 03-03-2014, 06:15 PM

No fuck that I don't care if it's a kids' film or story or fucking tv series or anything. Being targeted at kids is NEVER an excuse for a sloppy piece of shit for a story, or being completely incoherent or campy or overall horrible.

If you're producing a story or film or game or anything targeted at kids, and it's nothing but garbage, you're conditioning them to like garbage and they will always like garbage and then the rest of us have to deal with the evolution of this garbage. Saying 'oh well it's for kids therefore it doesn't matter' is the absolute laziest and dismissive excuse you can pull out of the book regarding any form of media.

Also, that's not even a good example. They even make fun of the underwater fires in the show. The entire point for a lot of the nonsensical stuff in Spongebob is there specifically to be nonsensical and zany, and that was there from the get go. There's reasons why the things that happen in Spongebob happen. And for the things that flat out don't make a damn bit of sense, it's pointed out and mocked throughout the show.

It's about believability within the world presented. Spongebob gives us an idea of what to expect and how things work in the first handful of episodes alone, and sticks to these general rules. When things don't make sense in-universe, it's picked fun at.

James and the Giant Peach doesn't do this. It kind of gives you somewhat of an idea of how things kind of work not really then doesn't abide by any in universe laws and the story is all over the place. It takes itself very seriously. Everything's presented in a way that makes it seem like it knows what it's doing. Not to mention, it's not even that light hearted of a movie. It's pretty damn dark, which only makes this whole thing worse.

I hate plot holes so large they bust a hole in the fabric of time and space and that's pretty much what came out of this movie/story/whatever.

huff

Phylum · #**188** 03-03-2014, 08:19 PM

Yeah that was a really bad example STM. You should have used the pineapple than isn't really a pineapple.

STM · #**189** 03-03-2014, 09:43 PM

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No fuck that I don't care if it's a kids' film or story or fucking tv series or anything. Being targeted at kids is NEVER an excuse for a sloppy piece of shit for a story, or being completely incoherent or campy or overall horrible.

If you're producing a story or film or game or anything targeted at kids, and it's nothing but garbage, you're conditioning them to like garbage and they will always like garbage and then the rest of us have to deal with the evolution of this garbage. Saying 'oh well it's for kids therefore it doesn't matter' is the absolute laziest and dismissive excuse you can pull out of the book regarding any form of media.

Also, that's not even a good example. They even make fun of the underwater fires in the show. The entire point for a lot of the nonsensical stuff in Spongebob is there specifically to be nonsensical and zany, and that was there from the get go. There's reasons why the things that happen in Spongebob happen. And for the things that flat out don't make a damn bit of sense, it's pointed out and mocked throughout the show.

It's about believability within the world presented. Spongebob gives us an idea of what to expect and how things work in the first handful of episodes alone, and sticks to these general rules. When things don't make sense in-universe, it's picked fun at.

James and the Giant Peach doesn't do this. It kind of gives you somewhat of an idea of how things kind of work not really then doesn't abide by any in universe laws and the story is all over the place. It takes itself very seriously. Everything's presented in a way that makes it seem like it knows what it's doing. Not to mention, it's not even that light hearted of a movie. It's pretty damn dark, which only makes this whole thing worse.

I hate plot holes so large they bust a hole in the fabric of time and space and that's pretty much what came out of this movie/story/whatever.

huff

Urgh, look, it's a film. I had a nostalgia trip watching it, I enjoyed watching it. Then I promptly stopped caring about it. It really doesn't bother me that much to entertain an argument over it. If you don't like, if you think it's crap, fair play, you're so entitled to your opinion.

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Yeah that was a really bad example STM. You should have used the pineapple than isn't really a pineapple.

Man, I would love to just step inside the mind of the person that sees the Spongebob pineapple and decides it's inherently unnatural because of the spirals on it. A beautiful mind indeed. A beautiful, pedantic mind.

Phylum · #**190** 03-03-2014, 10:08 PM

Slog Bait · #**191** 03-04-2014, 12:05 AM

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Urgh, look, it's a film. I had a nostalgia trip watching it, I enjoyed watching it. Then I promptly stopped caring about it. It really doesn't bother me that much to entertain an argument over it. If you don't like, if you think it's crap, fair play, you're so entitled to your opinion.

No no no you missed what I was being fussy over. I wasn't being fussy over the fact that you might like it, that it's something people might actually enjoy GOODNESS GRACIOUS, I was being fussy over

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At the end of the day it's a kids film. It doesn't have to make sense,

Which is horrible and you should feel horrible for saying something so obscenely horrible you horrible-opinion-haver you

HORRIBLE

was that light-hearted enough of a reply I'm genuinely sick of people misreading the tone of my posts

STM · #**192** 03-04-2014, 12:17 AM

I do feel horrible. I am a horrible person and I apologise for being so horrible.

Slog Bait · #**193** 03-04-2014, 12:22 AM

I'm so, so proud of you for owning up to your horribleness. Brings a tear to my eye.

***Nate*** · #**194** 03-04-2014, 02:35 AM

Okay, that's enough argumentation about that damned peach film.

OANST · #**195** 03-04-2014, 08:18 AM

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The story was incoherent. The goal was made clear, but the entire journey leading up to the goal didn't make a damn bit of sense. Why did anything that happened in the movie happen? Where the fuck did that mecha shark come from? Why was it attacking them? how did they end up in the arctic over night, and how were they able to breathe under water/ not die from the extreme cold of being submerged in that water? Where was the character development? What the fuck did the spider, the only one there that can only survive off of meat, eat? What exactly was the rhino? Why did all of the bugs want to go to NYC as well? Where all those seagulls really okay with being forced to lug around a massive peach for days on end?

And the most important question of all: Why would James turn down those delicious looking fish heads I mean really they looked fantastic I would have eaten them pff smh

They made no effort to explain anything, and as a result, every couple of minutes I'm asking questions with no closure and that's something that I personally am not fond of. Also, I don't like coming up with my own explanations for why everything happened in a work of fiction. If I really had to guess, the entire story was just one massive fever dream of Jame's or maybe the damn kid was on the verge of death or in a coma because of abuse, while his parents were just taken by a storm and the whole rhino thing was a fabrication of his aunts'. But what if the original intent was just to show off a wondrous, fictional world where anything could happen? Well, now I'm just a cynical douchebag who can't enjoy the fun fantasy elements of the movie.

The musical bits were awful. You know when you watch a show that shoves in random musical bits for the sake of it to entertain children but they're always so horrible and campy you have a hard time sitting through them? Every musical bit in the entire movie in a nutshell.

There was no flow. Every major event in the movie outside of the very beginning and very end just felt like filler. How does that even happen? I don't know but this movie sure pulled it off.

The characters themselves had no depth. None of them were memorable as their own individual beings. The only thing that stood out about them were their designs. Every character interaction in the movie didn't read as natural. It was all very forced.

In short: It was a poor story poorly executed and as a result I CRINGE

Despite all this, I'm totally okay with the aunts literally driving through the ocean to get to New York. That was hilarious.

Hi there! My name is whimsy! I'm a thing, but apparently you've never heard of me!

Edit: I hadn't read this page when I typed this.

Wings of Fire · #**196** 03-04-2014, 09:07 AM

I caught up with Space Dandy. It has some good episodes, but I'm warning all you pussies that a dog dies.

Job McYossie · #**197** 03-04-2014, 07:19 PM

My brother keeps telling me to watch Space Dandy. Is it really good?

STM · #**198** 03-04-2014, 10:07 PM

It's weird.

I watched This is England with my girlfriend and taught her that northerners are icky.

Manco · #**199** 03-05-2014, 02:18 AM

Was introduced to Studio Ghibli last night.

Spirited Away is fucking fucked, man.

Slog Bait · #**200** 03-05-2014, 10:10 AM

Spirited Away was the only Ghibli film I could really get into. Also, I have a mighty desire for all that food Chihiro's parents pigged out on.

Wings of Fire · #**201** 03-05-2014, 10:28 AM

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My brother keeps telling me to watch Space Dandy. Is it really good?

I liked episode 4 and I really liked episode 5, 7 and 9 for different reasons. The rest of it I thought was 'alright'. I'm not really a fan of episodic shows to begin with, so 4/9 is pretty good by my standards.

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Spirited Away was the only Ghibli film I could really get into.

>Not liking Nausicaa, Laputa, Fireflies or Mononoke

dude

Manco · #**202** 03-05-2014, 11:45 AM

The three Ghibli movies I saw were Spirited Away, Howl’s Moving Castle and Princess Mononoke.

I think I enjoyed Howl the most, with Mononoke a close second (mainly because I had a splitting headache by the time we watched it).

Miyazaki was straight-up on drugs when he came up with Spirited Away. No other explanation.

Wings of Fire · #**203** 03-05-2014, 12:13 PM

I've talked at length on Howl at five different occasions already, so I'll just sum up what I said.

It's a really badly put together story that still manages to be a very good movie. A testament to Miyazaki's skill as an animation director.

Manco · #**204** 03-05-2014, 12:42 PM

Yeah, I guess the story just kind of meanders around. It’s the characters that made me like it so much, they all have pretty charming personalities and if there’s one thing I really love in fiction it’s watching a bunch of characters just kind of bounce off each other.

STM · #**205** 03-05-2014, 03:28 PM

Agreed, it was Howl's Moving Castle and FMA: B (don't cringe), that got me into anime enough that I would watch it of my own accord. I really need to see Princess Mononoke and Fireflies.

Subsequently, there's this anime set in the last days of World War II that I was itching to see. Supposedly it's one of the best anime's ever made but I can't for the life of me remember the name of it, would you maybe know of the one I'm talking about, WoF?

Wings of Fire · #**206** 03-05-2014, 03:38 PM

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Agreed, it was Howl's Moving Castle and FMA: B (don't cringe)

Why? Brotherhood is awesome. I only got to watching it late last year, but I loved it.

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Subsequently, there's this anime set in the last days of World War II that I was itching to see. Supposedly it's one of the best anime's ever made but I can't for the life of me remember the name of it, would you maybe know of the one I'm talking about, WoF?

You're either talking about Grave of the Fireflies (Which you've mentioned already) or Barefoot Gen. Incidentally Barefoot Gen used to be standard reading material for Japanese students learning about WW2 but was dropped recently for reasons of historical accuracy. Since the current Japanese government is one step away from being Nanking deniers, I have to wonder what their problem was.

STM · #**207** 03-05-2014, 07:03 PM

No I don't think it's either of those, I'm gonna have another blitz through Youtube and see if I can find it. And I was of the opinion that people tended to look down on anyone who enjoyed FMA because it's too mainstream an anime to warrant status as one of the best. :P

I'm sure the anime in question was about a boy soldier...you know it might actually be Grave of the Fireflies...I'll have to check tonight. Thanks by the way.

Oh, also I've been watching Samurai Champloo slowly. It's...interesting.

Wings of Fire · #**208** 03-05-2014, 07:32 PM

I liked Samurai Champloo a lot more than Cowboy Bebop. Some episodes in the first half can be a bit strange (Though any episode with Manzou the Saw is gold) but it has some damn good episodes towards the end.

STM · #**209** 03-05-2014, 08:44 PM

I'm going to keep up with Samurai Shampoo (tee hee) just because it seems to be picking up now that I'm about three or four episodes in. I must admit that the rivalry between the Ronin and the Rogue is wearing a bit thin, quite annoying. I've only ever seen the Cowboy Bebop movie and I didn't think it was all that; the story seemed flimsy and the only character I liked was Ed. Plus that ending, urgh.

Slog Bait · #**210** 03-05-2014, 08:47 PM

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And I was of the opinion that people tended to look down on anyone who enjoyed FMA because it's too mainstream an anime to warrant status as one of the best. :P

From what I've witnessed/experienced, FMA doesn't usually get this treatment.

Deathnote, however.................