Jesus & Judas portrayed as Fags

***Alcar*** · #1 01-19-2008, 07:42 AM

How very interesting, even if it is historically incorrect. It's a shame I won't be home in time to see it, especially as it's being held at the theatre I'm always near.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...620272704.html

I can only imagine protests, though I doubt it'll be on a large scale.

Alcar...

Fuzzle Guy · #2 01-19-2008, 07:49 AM

The writer of the play was just asking for it though wasn't he?

Wings of Fire · #3 01-19-2008, 07:50 AM

'Vice and virtue are to the artist materials for the art' Oscar Wilde

I'd certainly go see it

. Looks like a good show and you really have to laugh at anyone stupid enough to use such a subjective term as 'Blasphemous' in an argument.

mudling · #4 01-19-2008, 08:57 AM

It looks like they sat down and thought, so, what is the best way to piss off the worlds, if not one of the worlds most widespread religeon followers?
Seriously, they're only doing it to piss everyone off, if only a joke.
I'm not only against Jesus being potrayed as bing in a realationship with Judus, but the fact that he has any sexuality, wasn't the whole point that he wasn't on earth to be in a realation, or didn't have one.
It's stuff like this that undermines works when people have put in that huge extra effort, like "The passion of Christ", translating it into old hebrew and everything.
Owells, have their fun, but what's next, potrayed Muhamid as a woman? Have fun with that...

Wings of Fire · #5 01-19-2008, 09:04 AM

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It looks like they sat down and thought, so, what is the best way to piss off the worlds, if not one of the worlds most widespread religeon followers?
Seriously, they're only doing it to piss everyone off, if only a joke.
I'm not only against Jesus being potrayed as bing in a realationship with Judus, but the fact that he has any sexuality, wasn't the whole point that he wasn't on earth to be in a realation, or didn't have one.
Owells, have their fun, but what's next, potrayed Muhamid as a woman? Have fun with that...

Anyone who feels pissed off by this theater production deserves a slap with a wet kipper.

....Times like this I wish I had me a picture of someone being slapped with a wet kipper.

abe is now! · #6 01-19-2008, 09:38 AM

I don't think this should be posted. Jesus wasn't gay. This is outrageous. I think who wrote this is crazy or something else.

Wings of Fire · #7 01-19-2008, 09:54 AM

Its a trout and thats the best I could do.

Just one question. You guys are mad because it portrays Jesus how the bible has told you he obviously was not right?

Would you feel so outraged if Jesus was played by a black actor? Or (saints preserve us) by a Jewish actor?

***Alcar*** · #8 01-19-2008, 10:36 AM

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Jesus wasn't gay.

True. I don't believe Jesus was gay either.

I think the major point behind such a play is to take the figurehead of Christianity and juxtapose it with something very anti-homosexual.

Alcar...

mudling · #9 01-19-2008, 11:15 AM

Firstly, Jesus was a Jew, so there would be nothing wrong with that, hell, I wouldn't care if it was a gay actor, it's the actor. I would care if Jesus was portrayed as gay but I'm not mad at it or anything, I just simply won't see it unless I hear it's otherwise a good show and inoffensive.
Besides, I have nothing against black people, hell I'm on there said everytime a racist jerk brings it up. (And let's not go back on me being racist or not shall we)
Anyway, it looks like this writer other wants to be a jerk and get everyone pissed off, or he wants to make a point.

Slaveless · #10 01-19-2008, 11:36 AM

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Would you feel so outraged if Jesus was played by a black actor? Or (saints preserve us) by a Jewish actor?

Jesus is both black and a Jew. But certainly not homosexual.

This seems strangely similar to Dumbledore coming out of the closet, eh?

mudling · #11 01-19-2008, 11:55 AM

Well Gandalf was played by a gay actor, and after the second movie (

) so was Dumbaldore, so going by your logic (no offence), I would be pissed off by that too.
The actors have nothing to do with it, I mean, Othello was oringally played by a white man, and that wasn't too bad, apart from the reasons why.
It's the end product that matters, once you get over the backround's herritage.
And is there anything wrong with jew's? Zac effron and Danial radcliffe are jews, is this something parents should be worried about?
Contary to belief I'm sure, I wouldn't mind him being played by a leb, hell, I've got nothing wrong with lebs as inderviduals, I wouldn't treat him different from anyone else.
It's just here we don't have that many people of african decent, so the criminal ethnic section is occupied by lebs
SO I may have said a racist comment, but I didn't mean it, and I'm not racist, so let's end this, I only say this becuase I'm assuming that's what wings of fire was thinking.

***Alcar*** · #12 01-19-2008, 12:26 PM

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Well Gandalf was played by a gay actor, and after the second movie (

) so was Dumbaldore, so going by your logic (no offence), I would be pissed off by that too.

Er, Michael Gambon has a wife.

Alcar...

Slaveless · #13 01-19-2008, 12:31 PM

Don't forget he also has kids.

Mutual Friend · #14 01-19-2008, 12:32 PM

There is the hilarious quote from Gambon, who often enjoyed lying to naive journos, that he used to be a homosexual but had to give it up because it made his eyes water.

Anyway, who cares, it's only Christians. What are they going to do? Set up a petition?

Honestly, I find this Christian bashing so totally fucking DULL. I'd love a play about a gay Mohammad, but nobody will do it cos they don't have the balls. So, they pick a soft, peaceful target and we're all supposed to react as if they're being edgy and naughty. No they're not, they're a bunch of teenagers.

Oh, and kudos on your use of the word 'fag', you seem so much cooler now.

Leto · #15 01-19-2008, 12:43 PM

Oh snap, I never saw this turning into a religious/homosexual debate thread!

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I don't think this should be posted. Jesus wasn't gay. This is outrageous. I think who wrote this is crazy or something else.

Yes, yes he wasn't, but you shouldn't get your panties in a bunch about it. It's just a play, and people have laughed at something for it's outrageousness for quite a while. Case in point: transvestitism.

Laser · #16 01-19-2008, 12:48 PM

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Case in point: transvestitism.

i learnt about that watching House

anyway...

Jesus has every right to be played by whoever the fuck has the balls to do it, i mean even it was a racist Nazi adulterer, isn't the christian church about forgiveness and acceptance?

or is that buddists?

Salamander · #17 01-19-2008, 12:54 PM

The thing I find interesting is that some Christians (although it doesn't actually Christians, I just assume it must be) offered death threats against the writer. Do the Ten Commandments not apply anymore?

Mutual Friend · #18 01-19-2008, 12:54 PM

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Jesus has every right to be played by whoever the fuck has the balls to do it, i mean even it was a racist Nazi adulterer, isn't the christian church about forgiveness and acceptance?

I fail to see how forgiveness and acceptance (LOL) have anything to do with this. It doesn't mean they automatically forgive and accept EVERYTHING, good or bad, that would be stupid. Real stupid. Possibly quite fun.

And where exactly do the 'balls' come into it? I mean, really? Does this actually provoke anything more than a yawn from everyone who isn't a Christian these days?

Wings of Fire · #19 01-19-2008, 01:22 PM

My point was that you two (AIN and Mudling) seem to find the idea of Jesus being portrayed as homosexual rather frightening.

Why?

Also if you're claiming Jesus wasn't homosexual how do you suppose you'll do that? Homosexuality is no crime against God and since being gay has kind of turned full circle in our social culture it is reasonable to suggest that not only was Jesuse no virgin, he also had homosexual relations

. That argument can't be disproved without relying upon the bible (one of the worst kept historical documents in the history of the world) and is therefore a valid assumption to make based on the social norms of the time.

For the record. I don't believe Jesus was the son of God, what I do believe is he was a great philosopher and whatever he chose to do with his dick was his business.

Salamander · #20 01-19-2008, 01:51 PM

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Also if you're claiming Jesus wasn't homosexual how do you suppose you'll do that? Homosexuality is no crime against God and since being gay has kind of turned full circle in our social culture it is reasonable to suggest that not only was Jesuse no virgin, he also had homosexual relations

. That argument can't be disproved without relying upon the bible (one of the worst kept historical documents in the history of the world) and is therefore a valid assumption to make based on the social norms of the time.

Wrong. There are several passages stating that homosexuality is a sin, and what is a sin but a crime against God? One such passage is 'Do not lie with a man as you lie with a woman: that is detestable.' Leviticus 18:22.

So even if you don't believe Jesus is the son of God, if he was just 'claiming' to be so, then he would surely follow all of God's rules.

Wings of Fire · #21 01-19-2008, 01:57 PM

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Wrong. There are several passages stating that homosexuality is a sin, and what is a sin but a crime against God? One such passage is 'Do not lie with a man as you lie with a woman: that is detestable.' Leviticus 18:22.

So even if you don't believe Jesus is the son of God, if he was just 'claiming' to be so, then he would surely follow all of God's rules.

Yet people still did it, and forgive me for my foggy arguing that was my fault for not doing my research.

I'd like to expand on my original theory to make it clearer; not only was Jesus not the son of God, he never professed to be. Its a common enough theory now days but one I find extremely likely.

Also remember that Jesus reviewed and rewrote most of 'God's' laws/

Fuzzle Guy · #22 01-19-2008, 02:00 PM

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Jesus wasn't gay.

Yet he shows no signs of a family.

Also, pleanty of historical facts have been altered in order to make a good play or film. But nobody thinks it's offensive then do they?

Salamander · #23 01-19-2008, 02:11 PM

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Yet people still did it, and forgive me for my foggy arguing that was my fault for not doing my research.

I'd like to expand on my original theory to make it clearer; not only was Jesus not the son of God, he never professed to be. Its a common enough theory now days but one I find extremely likely.

Also remember that Jesus reviewed and rewrote most of 'God's' laws/

In the Bible God states that Jesus is his son, that's enough proof for me. I don't have a great enough knowledge of the Bible to come up with a good argument. And I don't want to say anything if it's not true.

Strike Witch · #24 01-19-2008, 02:20 PM

Ooh, Jesus is sexy!

***Alcar*** · #25 01-19-2008, 02:26 PM

This is why I love not being of any religious affiliation.

You're treated to never-ending stupidity. And I like it. Because it makes me larfs lolz.

Alcar...

Fuzzle Guy · #26 01-19-2008, 02:35 PM

The bible was written by the same people who thought the Earth was flat.

metroixer · #27 01-19-2008, 02:50 PM

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Ooh, Jesus is sexy!

Ghost wins this thread.

I'm Christian, and I have a very mature response to this situation. *Ignores*

Bullet Magnet · #28 01-19-2008, 03:35 PM

It seems clear these days that the whole purpose is to be controversial, and if they can squeeze in some philosophical message that only the most artsy-fartsy people are able to read into it, so much the better.

But really, of all things about Jesus, his sexuality has got to be one of the least important. That has nothing to do with his IM. The concept behind the play seems to be remarkably shallow. Though I have noticed that anything portraying Jesus with human traits and vices is immediately condemned. As if the son of God was human!

If, in some dramatic break with archaeological tradition, we were actually able to find evidence of Jesus' homosexuality, it would not make any difference. That's the kind of revelation that can be ignored as easily as a picket line can be organised.

Then again, judging a play, film book or whatever before you have even been to see it is one of the stupidet things you can possibly do. Who knows, there may be a chance, however slight, that there are some novel and valuable insights in the play.

mudling · #29 01-19-2008, 03:46 PM

BM read the old tesitment, yes it's harsh, buit yes it's painted as a sin, and therefore, a crime against God, that being said, I don't neccicarily beleave it, I believe God changed his mind in the New Testiment, as he did about alot of things, or so it appears.
Leading to some people, either of Mary mandilane or Judus to beleave that the Jewish God was evil, and Jesus brought back the good God and destroyed the evil God, or something like that.
I don't beleive that either.

And with my comemnts above, then everyone who's ever talked to me on the subject has misleaded me
Still, having a wife means nothing :K
Never scene "Death at a funeral" have you?

Wings of Fire · #30 01-19-2008, 03:56 PM

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BM read the old tesitment, yes it's harsh, buit yes it's painted as a sin, and therefore, a crime against God, that being said, I don't neccicarily beleave it, I believe God changed his mind in the New Testiment, as he did about alot of things, or so it appears.

And the Lord God did say: 'Son, I've changed my mind, they can do it both ways if they want as long as they love their neighbors and other such stuff. I can't be having with all this 'Eye for an eye' stuff, it makes judging between good and bad people too much like hard work.'

'But Father....I am confused I thought you were omnipotent and omniscient and as such couldn't make mistakes?'

'I've had enough of you cheeking me boy, it's the crucifix for you!'

As with all good fantasy the more 'real' you try to make it the less feasible it appears.